The Skating Podcast - Upcoming interview with Frank Carroll

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  1. ChelleC

    ChelleC Well-Known Member

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    Except you just did, you said Plushenko with a landed quad should win over a Takahashi with a fall. Hate to break it to you, but you said the skater with the most quads should win.
     
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  2. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    Wait...what?
     
  3. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    1 > 0 !!


    I didn't realize an Internet chat about his win was hand delivering a threatening message?? Lol ! The question was about having a one jump contest replacing the usual sp and lp and the place of quads in skating.
     
  4. DBZ

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8NS_p7DgY

    Jenny and Dave posted a teaser of their interview with Frank, and they're asking him some pretty pointed questions about Chanflation, Tiffany Chin's mom and Chris Bowman's drug addiction.

    Heavy stuff. I'm so interested to hear his answers. Frank has always kept things relatively close to the vest, so I wonder how candid he'll be in this interview.

    Interview goes up on April 14th!
     
  5. Visaliakid

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    Plushenko had wonky jump landings, no transitions leading into or out of his jumps in his free skate. He lost massive points that he could have had with better choreography. I also agree that Takahashi was the most complete skater, but his missing his quad lost him the five-ring gold. Lysack won because he did not screw up his planned programs, which included plenty of transitions, excellent footwork and outstanding choreography that served his skating style very well.

    To piss and moan about him winning (regardless of what jumps he did or didn't do) this near to the next Olympics is like peeing in the wind. No one cares unless they get hit in the face by it. That's what you get off on imho. You love to bring your warped sense of what skating should be in your mind to bare on everyone else, thus spreading your unhappiness, and in the process you feel better about yourself. I think you need to get a life. That's my opinion. Take it or leave it as you wish!
     
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  6. caseyedwards

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    You're just wrong about the jump landings. There wasn't anything wrong With the landings. No step outs, two foots, urs, etc. Nothing wrong with the landings. Plushenko did Do things between his technical elements! His program was not empty of things between elements.

    My "warped sense of what skating should be" is going on right now. At 2011, 2012 and 2013 worlds that's my view of what men's skating should be. All the medalists are doing everything. It's not warped it's the reality that was possible in Vancouver but extreme ultraconservatism because of the brutal quad rules and too many points available elsewhere made so many skaters play it safe and ruin the progress set in motion at the 1998 ; 2002 and 2006 Olympics and worlds from 1997 to 2007! Now everything is back to normal! And men's skating is exactly where it should be!! 2010 was awful garbage hurting takahashi the most! The men's discipline is not "complete" without quads and thinking they should matter is not figure jumping or a jump contest. It's what is going on right now!! "warped" no - reality now - yes!
     
  7. IceIceBaby

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    Interesting questions. I have never heard of Chris Bowman before so I youtubed him and he seemed to be a great showman (I watched his Rolling Stones gala program)! :cool:
    I am not sure if we'll get as interesting answers, though :shuffle:
     
  8. VIETgrlTerifa

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    And yet, you were very unhappy with the 2013 World Championships results.

    Listen, I know you're unhappy with the way things went at the 2010 Olympics, but trolling various internet articles, posts, etc. that mention Lysaceck is certainly unhealthy. Lysaceck, like Chan in at this past Worlds, won with the rules that governed the competition. No amount of posts you make will change that.

    I understand debating the results and talking about "what ifs" is a huge part of being a sports fan. A big chunk of many posters' time on this forum is dedicated to debate. However, there is a time where it becomes unhealthy (like when you have nothing but hate to spew). I think you'd be much happier if you just let it go.
     
  9. sarakimm

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    Can't wait! I love Jenny and Dave's interviews, and Frank has always fascinated me. I went to the practice sessions at the LA Worlds and loved to watch his expressions at the boards. He is obviously a very complex person with a rich history in the figure skating world. This should be a great interview.
     
  10. SkateFan66

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    I agree about the 'what if' game? What would the 2010 Olympic results have been if Plushenko had done 12 jump elements instead of 11? Lysacek completed 12 jump elements, Plushenko did 11 jump elements. Plushenko lost by less than two points. Had Plushenko added one double jump, he could have made up the point deficit.
     
  11. caseyedwards

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    I am fine with the 2013 world results. It's not like there atrocious like the 2010 Olympics. Basically I'm neutral on 2013. it have been nice If ten won? Sure but Chan did a lot of great things like his sp. Lysaceks win is awful and will always be awful. The big problem is that quads were so undervalued and jumps so undervalued that maybe while plushenko was doing a quad triple and lysacek did no quads - maybe adding a double would have allowed plushenko to win. That's the problem. The problem plushenko didn't do double but that the winner didn't even attempt a quad. Plushenko mistake was not doing a double but doing a quad at all. I think it's vey important to point out why quads are back and were done by 17 or 18 men in the free skate in London if not more. Because it can be done and should be tried and it's a part of men's skating like 3a is! And it's wrong to attack anyone who brings up what so many men are capable of as part of a program as only wanting figure jumping or a 10 second jump contest which is what Lysacek and Carroll were all about!
     
  12. SkateFan66

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    Yes quads are back. However, the results this season show that a skater still has to have more than a quad jump to win. How many times did we see skaters land beautiful quads, but later falter on other triple jumps or spins. After the Olympics, Lysacek & Carroll were right in stating that there is more to a figure skating program than ONE jump. There are many required elements in a FS & SP. Last time I check, there is no requirement that a skater attempt a quad.
     
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  13. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I think the issue is that Carroll and Lysaceck weren't really attacking anyone. They were spinning their strategy in the most positive way possible. Yes, Carroll may have been aggressive in pointing out Plushenko's weaknesses in transitions and parts of PCS, but he did repeat what Plushenko himself had said.

    You may really disagree with him, but he's not going around Plushenko boards and articles spewing anti-Plushenko propaganda.
     
  14. caseyedwards

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    Yeah but now no one can say or is saying "I am doing all the required elements so don't have to do the quad!" they are trying to out everything together including a quad. Not nonsense like they can be complete skaters and Do everything and deserve wins without quads. You almosT have to get to 20th place in the fs in London before you by a skater who didn't try a quad. It's because the scoring system with the anti lysacek Carroll reVisions makes it impossible!

    They were attacking people. Saying that plushenko wanted to abolish skating and replace it with figure jumping or a jump contest and therefore saw the whole thing as illegitimate. Plushenko never said he wanted to have figure jumping or a ten second competition with no music where you do one jump and then leave the ice. There has never been any indication at all that discussing past wins was a problem here!! And that all treads about people must Be lovefests!
     
  15. skateboy

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    So where are all the ladies doing 3ax these days? You have to go all the way back to 1992 Olys to see Midori Ito and Tonya Harding attempting them. The only skater who does them now is Mao. Should all the other ladies be discredited because of this?
     
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  16. SkateFan66

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    Wrong. Lysacek did not attack anyone. Saying the truth that the figure skating competition was not only about one jump element is not an attack. In fact, Lysacek was given praise for the sportsmanship that he showed in addressing the post Olympic quad debate.

    Your anger is misplaced. It was the ISU that determined point values and required elements. All Lysacek did was: (1) structure his programs, under the point system that existed, in order to maximize his scoring potential; and (2) execute his programs in competition. The judges then scored his programs according to the ISU criteria for the SP & FS. Since the ISU changed the point system after Vancouver, you should be rejoicing instead of spewing your venom about Lysacek all over the Internet.
     
  17. caseyedwards

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    No because unlike with quads you do not have three Olympics in a row and 10 worlds in a row and multi medalists in lots of events doing 3a in ladies! so it's not a part of winning as much.

    It was an attack to say plushenko wanted to abolish figure skating and replace t with figure jumping or a ten second jump contest. Anyone who said anything against the win was attacked as wanting to abolish the sport basically.

    1 and 2 caused the changes because seeing a streak of 3 Olympics in a row being won with quads ending was not good. The whole all triples in a 3/5 layout for goe bonus was not right. The system rewarded it wrongly. I am rejoicing but it makes no sense to forget why all these quads are being done. The system was changed because garbage regression won the Olympics.
     
  18. kittyjake5

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    Thanks! I am looking forward to hearing what Frank has to say. The man is a wealth of knowledge.
     
  19. essence_of_soy

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    Love that Dave is wearing a tie here (out of respect for Frank, maybe?), and looking like a Wall St stockbroker.
     
  20. ChelleC

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    So Casey, you're fine with the 2013 Worlds results, but the 2010 Olympics were horrible. So it's perfectly fine for Chan to win because he landed two quads, but you're going to conveniently forget he was a human Zamboni at other times in the program. Yet it's a travesty for Lysacek to win because he didn't do a quad. GMAFB :rolleyes:

    And there was nothing wrong with Plushenko's jumps in Vancouver? WTH, the landings of those jumps were so wonky it's not even funny.

    Jumps are not the be all and end all of skating. Guess what, men's skating existed long before the first quad was landed 25 years ago. And there are still MANY beautiful programs performed today without a quad.
     
  21. caseyedwards

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    Chan had a great short program and built up a lead. His SP was perfect! Record setting. Then in the FS he did make a lot of mistakes and rightly lost it but still did a lot of quads and other jumps and level 4 elements. But he rightly lost it. Yes it was a travesty to have Lysacek win gold because he didn't do a quad. The silver medalist did and everything else and Plushenko deserved to have a program that got the most points. It was the Olympics! 3 Olympics in a row had quads done by the winners. It was absurd regression. ANd you call plushenko jump landings wonky but they were all done and really well. ALmost textbook. All of them! There was no step outs, turnouts, two foots, hand downs, underrotations, there was just no real problem with any of the landings of any jumps? It's just what is wonky? Like some consider a leg wrap wonky but if the jump is done it gets all the credit and lots of times good GOE. But all the jumps were done. And he was better than he was in 2006 where he messed up his three jump combo and doubled a jump! He had all level 3 and 4 elements and did all his jumps and just did everything.

    The quad has been around 25 years and worlds was won 10 years in a row with quads and three Olympics in a row. That means I don't want to see a pre quad era performance win in 2010 or later with a skate that won the 1994 Olympics or something. Only by accident would that be acceptable. Like every medalists falls on their quad attempts and there's no quad done. Lots of good performances are done with all triples and that should remain in jrs or off the podium at a seniors event.
     
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    I quoted a post that had 4 and I had 8 writing much more? So what? That's the topic!
     
  24. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Would you have been ok with Lambiel winning the gold medal had he skated as best to his abilities in Vancouver? If yes, you would've been ok with him without a Triple Axel but with a Quad? A triple axel has been the norm for male skaters for a longer time period than the quad.
     
  25. caseyedwards

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    Yeah because a quad is harder than a 3a- worth more points. But I don't think thy would have been likely and not the best. Best would've been 1- plushenko, 2-takahashi 3-lambiel. Plushenko did everything, takahashi tried everything, lambiel did 2 of the hardest jumps plus another in the sp.
     
  26. overedge

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    No. The topic of the thread is the interview with Frank Carroll. You were the one who decided to push it into being about Evan's horribleness and Frank's participation in that.
     
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    This.^ (Out of reps for you).
     
  28. skateboy

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    Exactly.
     
  29. caseyedwards

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    Lol its all connected. Whats the difference between Carroll and the 2010 Olympics and what he said there? Like it's not going to be a part Of the interview in some way!? I hope it's covered right and all the backlash and controversy that ensued that radically altered the system and what men do to win!
     
  30. Sparks

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    How exhausting. :coffee: