The Skating Podcast - Upcoming interview with Frank Carroll

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  1. DBZ

    DBZ Well-Known Member

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    Just saw this announcement on their FB page:

    https://www.facebook.com/TheSkatingLesson

    2 hour interview, covering Michelle, Evan, Timothy, Linda, etc., etc.

    I. Can't. Wait!

    EDIT: Sorry, title should read The Skating LESSON Podcast. Can an admin add that to the title. Thanks!
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  2. skateboy

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    Interview with Frank! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
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  3. FSfan107

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    I'm so looking forward to this! :)
  4. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Totally awesome, two hrs with Frank!
  5. ChelleC

    ChelleC Well-Known Member

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    I cannot wait to watch this interview!
  6. caseyedwards

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    In 2010 it was ridiculous how his defense of an absurd win by a quadless technical regresser evolved into attacking anyone who disagreed with it as seeking to abolish everything but jumps and have jumping contests with nothing else. I was disgraceful and the worst win ever and if rules hadn't been changed quads would likely have vanished as they were already! His extreme technical ultraconservatism nearly ruined the whole technical progress of men's jumping where his student stopped even attempting quads in international competition and broke at 3 the number of Olympics in a row where winners did quads! Disgraceful and outrageous 2010! His career nadir and the worst year for men's skating ever and anyone who disagreed with it wanted nothing else but abolition of spins steps music everything!

    Lysacek tried a quad at nationals. After the Olympics said he was a totally complete skater without the quad and didn't say anything about being injured just being afraid but who cares because he was complete without one anyway!
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  7. kosjenka

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    Considering what Tim said about their parting in his chat - I cannot wait to hear from Frank :D
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    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS2nWLz-AbE
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    I hope Frank will be chatty and spills everything :)

    They should try to find out Frank's Hollywood name.
  11. overedge

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    From The Skating Lesson's Facebook page:

    caseyedwards, you are beyond ridiculous.
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  12. SkateFan66

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    I agree. Sad that someone has that much pent up anger over the outcome of a sporting event.
  13. caseyedwards

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    It surely was one of the most influential things in recent skating history what with the rule changes that came after and the 2013 worlds where you had more quads in both sp and lp than ever before! Very difficult to find quadlessness now and try to find anyone saying they are complete without quads! You can't! The issue of quads in men's skating has been moved to 3a style mandatory. 2010 Olympics men's winner was a horrible joke and just hard to find that anywhere even in Jrs. Jrs now are doing more difficult jumps to win jrgpf and jr worlds than what won the Olympics in 2010. You want to sever it from backlash over the ridiculous win in 2010 go ahead!
  14. SkateFan66

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    Why do you keep dwelling on 2010? You can't undo the past. No matter how much you pout and whine about it, the results of the 2010 Olympics will not change.

    You should be rejoicing about all the quads that are being attempted in competitions the last few years. Instead you keep spewing your venom all over cyberspace about Lysacek. What is next on your agenda, hand delivering threatening messages to Lysacek? ... Oh wait, you already tried that.
  15. caseyedwards

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    Where are all these quads coming from? Lol the rule changes encouraged them. When did the rule changes happen? With all their comments about figure jumping and jumping contests no one can repeat how the 2010 men's win in singles happened! Their comments and philosophy to win in 2010 never should have happened.
  16. SkateFan66

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    Lysacek won based on the point system in place at the time. Sit back and enjoy all the quad 'attempts' during the 2013-14 season. Because, after the 2014 Olympics the ISU will reassess the point system, and the value of the quad will be adjusted again. (Just look at gymnastics, Team USA dominated vault by having the most gymnasts that could do an Amanar vault. After the Olympics, the value of the Amanar was decreased)
  17. skateboy

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    Well, if the 2010 Olympics mens' result contributed to the rules that have encouraged this, shouldn't you be happy about it?
  18. caseyedwards

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    And the system in place was so atrocious it needed to be changed because of takahashi and plushenko who fulfilled all he right standards lost. I doubt that quad points will be reduced because everyone knows than they won't be done if the reward is not there. you don't want another takahashi getting no points for his quad attempt!

    No because the proper order was plushenko takahashi lambiel and the system robbed the right people of medals they deserved.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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  20. Sparks

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    We know how you feel, we know your opinion because you haven't stopped for 3 years.
    Please stop. There's got to be a time that you stop, and that time is now.
  21. caseyedwards

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    Lol no. I will post on this topic whenever I please.
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    I'm looking forward to read this interview as well. You may like Frank Caroll as a person or not, but he is one of the most successfull coaches for single skaters and always seemed to know how to "play the game" in terms of politicks, etc. So I'm sure it will be interesting to read! :)
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    Whoa ... by now I suppose you've turned into a quad, since quads quads and more quads and quad-mongering is all you seem to live for. Apparently, you've sold your soul to the quad and its feeding upon the empty shell that is one caseyedwards. :eek:


    I don't think with Frank it has necessarily been all about "playing" the political game as much as it has been about passing down what he learned from Maribel Vinson Owen, as well as taking care of business in the best way he's known how. He's kinda cantankerous and sweet at the same time, but above all a gentle-spirited gentleman and no-nonsense taskmaster. When he says he believes in you, he does.
  25. ChelleC

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    Right standards? According to whom? You? I really don't think your opinion on the right standards amounts to more than a hill of beans.

    Why don't you just admit you are still pissed of, three years later, that your precious Plushenko did not win the gold? Everything you have said since Vancouver shows that you believe the quad is king. Well guess what, by that token you should be arguing that Timothy Goebel should have won Salt Lake. Doesn't matter how lights out, Alexei Yagudin skated, but your arguments Goebel should have won because he did three quads.

    BTW, if you're going to argue the most complete skater should have won Vancouver, there is no way that skater should be Plushenko. Takahashi was the most complete skater in Vancouver.
  26. caseyedwards

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    The isu rule changes made the strategy impossible. So the rule changes were all coincidental? Not by my standards but the isu rule changes. That layout can no longer even really be attempted as a win because the point possibilities arent there anymore. Short programs now have more quads than the 2010 Olympic free program!! If takahashi landed his quad the yes he should have won and then plushenko still with silver. I do not ever say most quads win but a quad must at least be attempted for the program to be up to men's standard of what's possible. Not any quadless nonsense. That can barely win Jrs now.
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    And along that same line, why were you agreeing with Plushenko's statement about Chan winning Worlds this season? I mean, Patrick did have 2 quads in the FS. According to your line of reasoning (quads being worth way more), Patrick should've won this hands-down no matter what else he did in the program. ;) But yet, you were agreeing with Plushenko that Dennis Ten should've won. Just curious. :confused:
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  28. overedge

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    And, apparently, wherever.

    But hey, if you want to spread your trollishness about Lysacek and quads in multiple places, and make yourself look even more foolish and obsessive by doing so, then knock yourself out.
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  29. caseyedwards

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    Carroll was the coach? He said the nonsense about "figure jumping." he tried to give Ten Lysaceks exact same technical layout but it became impossible to succeed with! Quads did not mean figure jumping but just being a part of the jumps like 3a needed to succeed.
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    You can still medal without the quad. If Ten had done another jump other than a quad in his fs at worlds, he still would have won the silver medal over Javier.
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    Except you just did, you said Plushenko with a landed quad should win over a Takahashi with a fall. Hate to break it to you, but you said the skater with the most quads should win.
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  32. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Wait...what?
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    1 > 0 !!


    I didn't realize an Internet chat about his win was hand delivering a threatening message?? Lol ! The question was about having a one jump contest replacing the usual sp and lp and the place of quads in skating.
  34. DBZ

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8NS_p7DgY

    Jenny and Dave posted a teaser of their interview with Frank, and they're asking him some pretty pointed questions about Chanflation, Tiffany Chin's mom and Chris Bowman's drug addiction.

    Heavy stuff. I'm so interested to hear his answers. Frank has always kept things relatively close to the vest, so I wonder how candid he'll be in this interview.

    Interview goes up on April 14th!
  35. Visaliakid

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    Plushenko had wonky jump landings, no transitions leading into or out of his jumps in his free skate. He lost massive points that he could have had with better choreography. I also agree that Takahashi was the most complete skater, but his missing his quad lost him the five-ring gold. Lysack won because he did not screw up his planned programs, which included plenty of transitions, excellent footwork and outstanding choreography that served his skating style very well.

    To piss and moan about him winning (regardless of what jumps he did or didn't do) this near to the next Olympics is like peeing in the wind. No one cares unless they get hit in the face by it. That's what you get off on imho. You love to bring your warped sense of what skating should be in your mind to bare on everyone else, thus spreading your unhappiness, and in the process you feel better about yourself. I think you need to get a life. That's my opinion. Take it or leave it as you wish!
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  36. caseyedwards

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    You're just wrong about the jump landings. There wasn't anything wrong With the landings. No step outs, two foots, urs, etc. Nothing wrong with the landings. Plushenko did Do things between his technical elements! His program was not empty of things between elements.

    My "warped sense of what skating should be" is going on right now. At 2011, 2012 and 2013 worlds that's my view of what men's skating should be. All the medalists are doing everything. It's not warped it's the reality that was possible in Vancouver but extreme ultraconservatism because of the brutal quad rules and too many points available elsewhere made so many skaters play it safe and ruin the progress set in motion at the 1998 ; 2002 and 2006 Olympics and worlds from 1997 to 2007! Now everything is back to normal! And men's skating is exactly where it should be!! 2010 was awful garbage hurting takahashi the most! The men's discipline is not "complete" without quads and thinking they should matter is not figure jumping or a jump contest. It's what is going on right now!! "warped" no - reality now - yes!
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    Interesting questions. I have never heard of Chris Bowman before so I youtubed him and he seemed to be a great showman (I watched his Rolling Stones gala program)! :cool:
    I am not sure if we'll get as interesting answers, though :shuffle:
  38. VIETgrlTerifa

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    And yet, you were very unhappy with the 2013 World Championships results.

    Listen, I know you're unhappy with the way things went at the 2010 Olympics, but trolling various internet articles, posts, etc. that mention Lysaceck is certainly unhealthy. Lysaceck, like Chan in at this past Worlds, won with the rules that governed the competition. No amount of posts you make will change that.

    I understand debating the results and talking about "what ifs" is a huge part of being a sports fan. A big chunk of many posters' time on this forum is dedicated to debate. However, there is a time where it becomes unhealthy (like when you have nothing but hate to spew). I think you'd be much happier if you just let it go.
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    Can't wait! I love Jenny and Dave's interviews, and Frank has always fascinated me. I went to the practice sessions at the LA Worlds and loved to watch his expressions at the boards. He is obviously a very complex person with a rich history in the figure skating world. This should be a great interview.
  40. SkateFan66

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    I agree about the 'what if' game? What would the 2010 Olympic results have been if Plushenko had done 12 jump elements instead of 11? Lysacek completed 12 jump elements, Plushenko did 11 jump elements. Plushenko lost by less than two points. Had Plushenko added one double jump, he could have made up the point deficit.