The rise of the Philippines in figure skating

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by AlexDSSF, Mar 8, 2013.

  1. turquoiseblue

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    Injuries could force Michael Christian Martinez’ withdrawal from [Junior] World Championships

     
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  2. Dr.Siouxs

    Dr.Siouxs Well-Known Member

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    He's been grinding away since Nebelhorn. :wideeyes: Poor kid.
     
  3. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    It is always a big challenge for skaters living in tropical countries where ice skating is non-existent. This kid is talented to have qualified to skate in Sochi. Unless the government can assist (like Yuna and Ten), it is an uphill battle for skaters in these countries to progress.
     
  4. Artistic Skaters

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    He's a terrific representative for the Philippines. I would rather see him skate as a long term prospect than risk injuries in a rush to get ready for Worlds.
     
  5. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    But he is not entered for Worlds. :confused:
     
  6. Willowway

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    From what I have read, Michael is dealing with an injury (painful and problematic ankle) although he is trying to practice. I also read separately that Chris Caluza is on the Worlds team for Philippines. We'll see...
     
  7. Ziggy

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    The entry lists for Worlds are out and Caluza has been entered, not Martinez.
     
  8. Willowway

    Willowway Well-Known Member

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    Good luck to Caluza, hoping that the Philippines can continue the a streak of creditable performances and build further.
     
  9. turquoiseblue

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    The original title of the article is missing the word "Junior".

    The article says:

     
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  10. turquoiseblue

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    Michael Martinez pulls out of World Juniors

     
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  11. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    That is the big problem with competitive sport. You can't allow yourself to take a break long enough to fully heal and the injuries keep piling up overtime. :(
     
  12. Artistic Skaters

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    Good opportunity for Caluza to deliver a respectable performance without all the 'i wuz robbed' drama. I hope he seizes the day.
     
  13. redfiretrees

    redfiretrees Figure Skating Fan in the Tropics

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    I'm wondering why Alisson Perticheto didn't compete in the Juniors Worlds Championship. Does anyone know the reason? It was already sad that Michael Martinez was also not been able to take part because of his injuries. It would have been great if he was able to beat his placement last year but we will never know..
     
  14. ProgramerUSFS

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    Looks like she has been removed from the World Championship list as well.
     
  15. redfiretrees

    redfiretrees Figure Skating Fan in the Tropics

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    Also just saw the list a few minutes ago. I wonder what happened? She's missed (Junior Worlds) and will be missing another great opportunity to gain international experience. Too bad there isn't an alternate that could replace her so that the PH could have a skater there at the Ladies event.
     
  16. ProgramerUSFS

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    The other junior skaters didn't make TES mins, and there are no other seniors who have TES mins. She is the only one that qualifies.
     
  17. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    She's probably injured.
     
  18. ProgramerUSFS

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    I suspect so, as someone told me she went to Jr Worlds and did the practice ice, then pulled out. So I think you hit the nail on the head.
     
  19. Vagabond

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    I wonder what the P.S.U. thinks of its decision to put all of its eggs in the Perticheto basket. Melissa Bulanhagui met the SP minimum and narrowly missed the FS minimum. Given another chance (Nebelhorn), she might have made the FS minimum and also qualified a spot for the Olympics.
     
  20. misskarne

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    And she might not have, too. But given the hissy fit she threw, I think it is good riddance...
     
  21. turquoiseblue

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    No stoppin’ Michael Martinez’s magic carpet ride


    Martinez overcomes injuries to win gold at Triglav Trophy

     
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  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    ^^^ Chris Caluza congratulated Martinez on Twitter.

    Caluza had a good Worlds in Saitama (ETA: 19th was his highest finish in 3 trips to Worlds), setting new ISU personal best scores, FS (128.54) and Total (193.23). Link to his Worlds FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk8qs4Z8Q1A

    Results/protocols are posted in the Triglav Trophy competition thread in Kiss and Cry (now open to all): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?91829-Triglav-Trophy-(Slovenia)-April-2-6-2014

    Martinez landed 6 triples in his FS, including both 3A. IIRC, he said at the Olympics that his future goals include landing a 3-3 consistently and learning a quad.
     
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  23. Ziggy

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    Now that the sponsor money is flowing in, thanks to the Olympics exposure, I wonder whether Martinez is going to relocate to the US full-time and who his coach will be. He's also been reported to have had a very good working relationship with Kudriavtsev who praised his work ethic so Moscow would also be an option.
     
  24. euterpe

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    With the addition of his Triglav points, Martinez will be in the top 24 on the ISU World Ranking list after the old data is purged. Any chance he will move up to Senior internationally?
     
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Martinez has been competing in Senior B comps for the past 2 years already; I can't see him turning down a Grand Prix invitation.

    (Waiting to see if he receives the 250 ISU ranking points for Triglav despite there only being 7 Senior men entered.)

    ETA: If he doesn't qualify for a Senior GP invite, then it would make more sense for him, ISU points-wise, to return to the JGP and continue to do Senior B comps.
     
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  26. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    Where are the requirements documented for the number of skaters/different countries represented, officials, etc. for an event to qualify for WS points?

    The definition of an international competition is that at least one foreign member is invited and at least two members participate, but the ISU Constitution only references World Standings WRT start orders.

    ETA: Found it: 1629 says points are only earned if there are at least eight entries in singles, six from four members for Dance, and five from three members for Pairs. Martinez should not be awarded points for Triglav, which puts him back in the position before the competition, at #27 on the WS list, if no one is removed. From what I recall, it's up to the Feds to tell the ISU when a skater has retired, which they usually do by the time they submit names for the GP, and only then is the skater removed. There are the potential removals that would impact the Top 24 WS: Abbott, #25 Verner, both of whom have announced retirements, and Takahashi, who has not. Martinez would need all three to be removed before he'd move into Top 24 SB.
     
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  27. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    I believe this is the most recent ISU Communication (from 2010): http://static.isu.org/media/99358/1629-world-standing-sandp_id.pdf

    IIRC, Martinez mentioned in Sochi that he hopes to continue working with both Kulik and Kudriatsev.
     
  28. twicken

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    Can he enter both the Jr. and Sr. Grand Prix? He has a very good chance at qualifying for the GPF at the Jr level, so I would prefer him to do that instead
     
  29. Ziggy

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    It's not allowed. Pairs were able to do both Junior and Senior Grand Prix at one point and I can't recall whether this is still the case or not.
     
  30. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    The rules changed from 2011-12:

    to 2012-13:

    The Federations submit one list of skaters for GP eligibility and another for JGP eligibility, with no overlap.