The rise of the Philippines in figure skating

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  1. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    Four Continents is January 20-26

    Olympics starts February 7

    I don't know when the entry deadline is or what the procedure is to replace a named skater with a substitute. But even if it were possible, it seems unlikely they'd wait until less than two weeks before to make a decision.
     
  2. mnticeprincess1

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    History of Phillipine figure skating. Has anyone heard of Michael Bautista? One website he claims to be a: Six-time Philippine National Champion http://www.anaheimice.com/AnaheimIce.aspx?page=instructorbautista.aspx. and another he claims to be: Back in 1976, I began as a figure skater, began to loved that sport and started training as a roller skater at first then did my first competition after only training for 1 month and won 1st in my level.

    Now I retired from figure skating after 1988 Olympics and 1988 International Roller Skating. http://www.coachclass.net/id12.html
    Is he for real?
     
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Updates - 2013-14 season:

    Melissa Bulanhagui won a bronze medal at the Asian FS Trophy Open earlier this month - first senior ladies' international medal for the Philippines! :cheer:

    Re-posting from the Kiss and Cry:
    Bulanhagui's Asian Open SP to "House of Flying Daggers" (her memorable SP from 2007 US Nationals): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK2aur2_Ako
    2 local articles:
    http://www.philstar.com/sports/2013/08/20/1111421/phl-skaters-win-medals-bangkok
    Excerpt:
    http://sports.inquirer.net/115543/ph-figure-skaters-bag-2-asian-bronzes

    Christopher Caluza is listed for the Lombardia Trophy in Italy, Sept. 19-22.

    Michael Christian Martinez and Alisson Perticheto are scheduled for Nebelhorn Trophy, Sept. 25-28, with Caluza and Bulanhagui listed as alternates.

    ETA the Glacier Falls Summer Classic videos from early August that were posted in the Kiss and Cry forum:
    Michael Christian Martinez SP (2nd place, 76.58)

    Michael Christian Martinez - Malaguena FS (133.45, 5th & 5th overall): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF5LF7Xaink
     
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  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Article on Sofia Guidote, who won the bronze in Basic Novice A at the Asian Open in Bangkok - "Why this 11-year-old’s figure skating is a miracle, no less": http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/118473/why-this-11-year-olds-figure-skating-is-a-miracle-no-less

    Blog article: http://skateguard1.blogspot.ca/2013/08/triumph-down-under-and-shade-in-manila.html
    Perticheto competed in her first senior international in April 2013 at Gardena Spring Trophy in Italy and placed 5th overall with just slightly lower scores than Bulanhagui at Asian Trophy earlier this month. (These Senior B scores are not counted as ISU personal best scores.)

    ETA:
    Gardena Spring Trophy, April 2013:
    Perticheto 137.05, 5th overall (48.75 5th in SP, 88.30 3rd in FS).
    FS video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGisryIuI8E
    SP protocols & FS protocols
    Perticheto's ISU bio: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00013053.htm

    Asian FS Trophy Open, August 2013:
    Bulanhagui 140.05, 3rd overall (49.90 4th in SP, 90.15 2nd in FS).
    SP video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK2aur2_Ako
    SP protocols & FS protocols
    Bulanhagui's ISU bio: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00008997.htm

    Question that was posted in the Asian Open thread in Kiss and Cry:
    I don't think it is known at this time.
     
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  5. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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    So Bulanhagui's possible Olympic-spot future depends on Perticheto's performance at Nebelhorn? Maybe Finland will send Tuurkila to help Kiira go to Olympics too?
     
  6. N_Halifax

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    Mexico is doing the same thing with Luiz Hernandez. Fabriczio Carrillo is being sent instead of Hernandez, who is the reigning senior men's champion. He's not thrilled: https://twitter.com/luis2o
     
  7. Jammers

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    I can't say i blame him. Why send lesser skaters to get a Olympic spot if you have your National champion ready to go? :confused: Same with Melissa B.
     
  8. Seerek

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    Although I do think Alisson does have a fighting chance to earn the Olympic spot (I think it's wide open after Korpi,
    Gedevanishvili and perhaps Lafuente), the choice of a skater with only one prior senior international over a veteran senior skater is quite strange.
     
  9. Ziggy

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    :confused:

    Perticheto landed 3toe/2toe, 2axel and fell on a 3flip in her 2013 Junior Worlds SP. In the FS, she landed a 3flutz, two 3toes, a 3salchow (-0.5 GOE) and 2axels. When was the last time Bulanghui has managed to land that many jumps in a competition? IIRC, it was when she still represented the US.
     
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Earlier this month at the Asian Open - see the protocols links posted above.

    Ideally, both Bulanhagui and Perticheto should have competed at Asian Open and the higher finisher could have bent sent to Nebelhorn Trophy.
     
  11. Ziggy

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    :duh: I was thinking of their competitive results last season but just skimmed through posts you have recently made in this thread. :eek:
     
  12. rosewood

    rosewood Wheeee! Wonder babies!

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    During Asian Open I noticed from her twitter that Bulanhagui was working as a coach in South Korea. Is it right? If so, it can be supposed as one of the reasons why she is not sent to Nebelhorn Trophy. Did the federation think she was retiring or she wasn't training seriously any more or something?
     
  13. allezfred

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    I believe her husband is in the US army and based in Korea which is why she is training/coaching there.
     
  14. Frau Muller

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    Actually, the figure skating portion of Olympics begins one day before the opening ceremony - Feb. 6 - to fit-in the Team Event. Given the remarkable progress of its skaters, the Philippines may soon have enough good skaters in each discipline to contest the Team Event. :)
     
  15. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    The fact that Melissa hasn't been sent is so bewildering.. Does PSF even realize it's an Olympic qualifer? :confused:
     
  17. rosewood

    rosewood Wheeee! Wonder babies!

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    Thank you, allezfred. Actually I noticed him on the twitter because he was calling her mybb. I was so silly to guess he was her boyfriend/lover because they seemed so lovey dovey.:D

    I really hope she will be given a chance to make a Sochi team as I was moved by her very good performances in Asian Open!
     
  18. leapfrogonice

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    I'm sure that they do. Yet like many of the ISU smaller nations, there is tension between "native" skaters and ex-pat/American born but ethnically connected skaters, whether they are "helping" the federation vs. whether they are "taking spaces away" from "the locals" Christopher Caluza spoke about this specifically during an interview he did at the end of last season. Seems a tricky balance, very political, etc. Navigating it must be like walking through a land mine
     
  19. Conga

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    OK. I am really out of it. When did Melissa get married?

    Happy that Caluza is doing SLC!
     
  20. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    ^^^ Read Melissa's latest journal :) - link posted above in post #75.
     
  21. Vagabond

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    Alisson Perticheto isn't a "local." She was born in Europe, trains in Europe, and apparently has always lived in Europe.

    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00013053.htm
     
  22. Dr.Siouxs

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    Which makes the whole situation even more :huh:
     
  23. leapfrogonice

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    My reply was not necessarily in response to the situation specific to Nebelhorn and the athlete selection, but agree that the actual scenario and backgrounds does make the whole situation even more "huh"? and speaks further to the notion that politics rule.
     
  24. Frau Muller

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    Correct. I hope that the reason for selecting Perticheto over Bulanhagui is simple economics, i.e., it's a lot cheaper for the Philippines Federation to send Perticheto to a neighboring country on a train (Switzerland to Germany) than it is to fly Bulanhagui halfway around the globe (Korea to Germany). Not-so-nice reasons for favoring Perticheto would be either (a) influence/pay-off by a wealthy Swiss family to get their daughter to the Olympics and/or (b) desire to send someone with a balletic/thin body type (Perticheto) instead of a more muscular-athletic type (Bulanhagui). I trust that it's neither of those reasons and that the fed simply wants to go the economic route. In the end, all that will be achieved at Nebelhorn would be to nab one Oly spot; after that, Perticheto, Bulanhagui and all other competitors need to skate for the right to represent Philippines in Sochi, presumably with the national champ earning the trip to Olys.
     
  25. Lady Lorna

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the Olympic spots earned at Nebelhorn are attached to the skaters that earned them rather than to the country. That being the case, if Pertchito earns the spot, she will go to Sochi; Bulanhagui will not be eligible.
     
  26. HisWeirness

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    All Olympic spots, earned at 2013 Worlds or at Nebelhorn, belong to the ISU Member (country) and not to a specific skater.
     
  27. Lady Lorna

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    Thank you for the clarification--I had heard otherwise.
     
  28. Stephanie

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    Does the Philippine federation pay skaters' travel/competition expenses? Some of the smaller federations don't.
     
  29. Sylvia

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    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/09/19/13/decorated-fil-am-skater-cries-foul-over-phsu-snub
    Excerpts:
     
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  30. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Skate Guard interview with Melissa Bulanhagui (Sept. 18): http://skateguard1.blogspot.com/2013/09/interview-with-melissa-bulanhagui.html

    Christopher Caluza skated a clean SP (2A, 3Lo+3Lo, 3Lz) at Lombardia Trophy in Italy today and is in 2nd place (68.66 - may be a personal best score though it's not counted by ISU): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKcG0m_Tqas

    Results from the U.S. International FS Classic in Salt Lake City earlier this month:
    5 Christopher Caluza, PHI 6 (SP) 61.79 / 5 (FS) 123.54 / 185.33
    6 Michael Christian Martinez, PHI 7 (SP) 59.65 / 6 (FS) 123.39 / 183.04
     
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