The Next Iron Chef: Redemption (aka The Return of the Rejected All-Star Chefs)

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  1. ilovepaydays

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    This thread was fun last year, so it should be this season as well. They are showing a marathon of last season on Food Network all afternoon and evening today.

    Food Network: The Next Iron Chef official page

    Here are the chefs who are returning for one more chance:
    Nate Appleman
    Duskie Estes
    Elizabeth Falkner
    Amanda Freitag
    Eric Greenspan
    Alex Guarnaschelli
    Tim Love
    Jehangir Mehta
    Spike Mendelsohn (I thought he was TERRIBLE last season - why is HE back?)
    Marcel Vigneron

    Thoughts before the premiere tomorrow? I wished Marcus Samuelson from last season was back - his biography was a GREAT read!
  2. Reuven

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    I like Faulkner and Freitag, the rest? Meh. Can’t say I’m in any rush to see Chef Ego Mendelsohn, or Marcel "Legend in His Own Mind" Vigneron
  3. skatesindreams

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    I'm rooting for Alex Guarnaschelli, who has proved an able assistant to Geoffrey Zakarian on "Iron Chef" this year.

    I too, miss Marcus Samuelsson.
    With the success of his book; and a new restaurant, he's probably very busy.
    However, I hope they ask him again.
    He has a unique "world view" about food/cuisine, that would make him a wonderful "Iron Chef"
  4. jeffisjeff

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    No Marcus? No Ming? :wuzrobbed
  5. skatesindreams

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    So true!

    What qualifies them to even be considered for "Iron Chef".
    They don't have the background, yet.
    I watch "Iron Chef" to see how well experts handle challenging ingredients and time management issues.
    I'm not interested in temper-tantrums.

    I miss Ming, also.
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    I'd only seen the show intermittently before the second half of last season, but in the first couple of episodes, Mehta came across as egotistical as anyone else on the show. I think it's interesting that Appleman said something like, "I don't do innovation: I'm a classic chef." A third of the Iron Chef marks are based on creativity, so shouldn't he be on Top Chef Masters? That said, I loved his take on the bahn mi.

    I like watching Guarnischelli, and even though I don't eat 2/3 of what they all cook, her food looks interesting to me. I know she was pissed off/sulky at Faulkner for not given her much responsibility during last year's final, but Faulkner only had AG for 10 minutes later in the meal, and sometimes, another hand is more distraction than being given an extra ingredient. Guarnischelli and Zakarian are colleagues on "Chopped," (at least), and I think because he knows her and what she can do that he was willing to give her more. Plus, she's got a judge in her bag, unless she blows it. In the little clip preview for next week's show, Faulkner expresses her doubts about Guarnischelli; it would be nice to see that comment in context, because I have a girl-crush on AG, even if I think Faulkner would be a :kickass: Iron Chef.

    Re: "Chopped," Duskie Estes reminded me of a "Chopped" contestant: scattered, stressed, and insecure. If I were a producer looking for an Iron Chef, as opposed to whatever this show is about, I'd be looking for someone who could come up with creative things, but also be a leader, or at least be someone who could inspire other chefs. I can't imagine her leading a team on Iron Chef under pressure of a contest, not just in her own kitchen. Hoarding an ingredient to support "the girls?" Ugh, barf-worthy. A few of the others I have to wonder about, too.

    If I knew how to cook and were one of the helper cooks on the show, ideally I'd want the Iron Chef to be someone who was considerate and respectful under pressure, who would give me responsibility and not be a jerk if something blew up, and who would be a great person from whom to learn. Those are the IC's I like to watch as well.

    PML at Zakarian's reaction when Majumdar said that if Faulkner had made the Monte Cristo sandwich with French Toast ice cream in last year's finals, she might be the judge and Zakarian might be the contestant.
  7. jeffisjeff

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    Yeah, Appleman is apparently working at Chipotle now (which is :huh: and :lol:). Is that "classical"?

    For some reason, I am liking evil Mehta. I didn't watch the season he was on previously, but it seems like he could be a fun evil. And he is kind of cute. ;)
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    Mehta is definitely wonderful to look at. (But maybe with the mute button on.)

    I'm kind of sad that Tim Love is gone. I liked listening to him.
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    I was very impressed with Mehta's skills during his original appearance.
    He seemed to have both classic technique; and the ability to innovate/think outside the box, which I think matter on Iron Chef,

    kwanfan1818, ITA with your perspective.
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    I just watched the "Transformation" episode, where each chef had to create something out of canned meat or fish.

    For the record, the two chefs in the Chairman's Challenge were my least favorite, and I wasn't sad to see either of them in the bottom two. After they finished cooking with their ingredient -- lobster -- they decided to plate their dishes together. One was a soup, in a bowl on the plate, completely discrete, and the other was a cold, savory dish. It's not like they cooked two dishes together or mixed them together or cooked separate parts of one dish, or that the two dishes ran together.

    This put just about everyone's knickers in a knot -- the other chefs were bitching about how this disrespected the concept of the competition, of being an Iron Chef, the show, the judges and how they were arrogant, and the judges and Alton Brown were whining about how Iron Chefs don't do things together, how they have to compete against each other, etc.

    I think what they did was pretty cool: they did their best, and they put their plates side-by-side, and asked the judges to do their freakin' job, to judge the dishes against each other. It's not like they never give feedback to a chef in front of the others, and, because they each have only one dish, unlike Iron Chefs/contestants who show five in a row before the switch to the other chef, and it cut out maybe a minute or so between tastings, had they plated them separately.

    Instead of making a decision, as if there was some terrible rule breaking, they took it to the Chairman (unseen). It was like the judging panel had the back curtain opened on them, and they crumbled. Wankers.
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  11. skatesindreams

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    All of that said, kwanfan, I wasn't sorry to see Spike go; and I won't be sorry when Marcel does, also.
    I wish they had eliminated both of them.

    In their arrogance, they wanted "all or nothing".
    Both should have paid the price.
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    I wish they had eliminated all the men and left Frietag, Guarnischelli, and Faulkner.
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    My sentiments exactly.

    I'm so glad Marcel stayed! I don't know why, but I like the guy!
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    Be patient. I can actually seeing the 3 ladies as the final 3 with Faulkner being the next Iron Chef. They are due to have another woman on the show.
  15. jeffisjeff

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    They can keep Mehta around too...
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    Well, since the Chairman doesn't actually exist, but is just an actor hired for a role (same actor who plays Wo Fat on Hawaii Five O), you can't really take it all that seriously. In fact, you can't take the show as a whole all that seriously.

    Meanwhile, I am rooting for Mehta and Falkner. Freitag bores me silly and Alex G. I can take or leave.
  17. skatesindreams

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    The majority of the chefs who have been associated with/appeared on the program seem to take the title/position seriously.
    I believe that chefs enjoy competition; and seeing how they "stack up" one to another.
  18. jeffisjeff

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    :wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed :wuzrobbed

    I definitely am rooting for Chef Mehta now. With either of the women as second choice (only because ICA needs a woman chef). If Chef Chemical or Chef Chipotle win this, I will be so :rolleyes: .

    Oh, and did anyone else spot Johnny Weir on the Celebrity Cook-Off commercial? I can't stand Rachel or Guy, but I might just have to watch...
  19. emason

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    I am rooting for Chef Mehta also; I hope I haven't jinxed him. Love Celebrity Cook-Off, so I will be watching for sure.
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    I didn't know I was cheering for her so hard but I was honestly crushed for Chef Faulkner. I had her pegged to win the whole thing. Now I'm totally behind Freitag and/or Guarneschelli to win. The three men left aren't worth it.
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    I was crushed as well. I guess I will throw my support behind Freitag because Guarneschelli rubs me the wrong way.
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    Whereas I find Freitag boring as Hell. Definitely would pick Guarneschelli over Freitag, but I really wanted a Mehta/Falkner showdown for the final. Maybe while none of us is looking, Appleman will take the whole thing; say what you want about him, but he's a very strong competitor. A Vigneron win would be fun just to see heads explode.

    Really, really gutted for Falkner. I can't believe it's over for her. Judges looked like they couldn't believe it either.
  23. skatesindreams

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    I wonder why the judges decided as they did; as they obviously were upset over doing so.
    Chef Faulkner was devastated.

    The title/honor of "Iron Chef" really matters to these people; even if it's only a "reality show".
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    A Vigneron win would be a great thing for the producers, because all of that molecular gastronomy, with all of its smoke and NASA food, makes good television. Plus, it would make Appleman's head explode.

    Freitag might be dull, but the judges seem to like her food.

    If Appleman wins, I hope none of the contestants pick him.

    I thought Faulkner should have won last year. Not having tasted any of the food, of course.
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    Big fan of Guarneschelli outside of the show: On this show she is so intense that I just want to stay out of her way. Now that Faulkner is out I think Alex and Mehta are the top contenders.
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    I agree!
    Alex knows what's expected, and really wants the position.

    I thought that Mehta should have won during his first appearance.
    The two of them would make for a great finale.
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    Well so much for what I think!
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    Does anyone else think that Elton appreciates Mehta's food but doesn't really like Mehta the human being? I couldn't help think that in the judging for the secret ingredient challenge.
  30. skatesindreams

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    I"m with both of you!

    The judges seemed to think that neither Chef Appelman or Chef Mehta's dish was really Iron Chef "worthy".
    I wonder what they could do in 30 minutes that would meet their standards!
  31. jeffisjeff

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    I can't imagine Appelman as an Iron Chef. His personality is just not made for TV. Plus he always seems kind of, um, disturbed and not quite stable.

    I didn't watch the season in which Mehta first competed, but I recall something was said at the start of this season about Mehta being "the bad guy" on his first season. I don't care - I like him. Unlike Appelman, he is intense, but serene.
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    I can't imagine either Appelman or Marcel as an Iron Chef.
    Neither seem to have the range of knowledge, or temperament needed for the job.

    I will miss Chef Mehta.
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    Marcel is bright but seems incapable of truly acting graciously whether he wins or loses---maybe they want that cockiness though. I'm still rooting for Alex but the last two weeks shows me that they are not afraid to send great chefs packing.

    I had a problem with the challenge this week: I don't watch Iron Chef regularly but I understand it is one ingredient prepared with several variations. In competition the chefs are able to pick their complementary ingredients and I don't think you would see iron chef ever selecting peppermint to go with calimari (for example.) Why not give them one ingredient and then let them select another ingredient to show fusion rather than providing combinations you would never see in competition?
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    Vigneron may be the bookend to the Next Food Network Star guy: young, interested in the science, original for the audience, etc. He isn't nearly as personable, though.
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    There were a few times last night I wanted to punch Marcel in the nads. I'm sure the guy can cook but why would Food Network want someone so unlikeable to be the main focus of a show?? Cocky little bastard needs to be taken down a few thousand notches. His mysogynistic pal Appleman can vanish with him as far as I'm concerned.

    Who knew that I'd miss the relative civility of Top Chef Masters after watching this show??
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    ^^^
    This is why I don't think either of them will be the next Iron Chef.
    The producers won't want either one of them to represent the brand/Food Network.
  38. jeffisjeff

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    Watch the final be Vigneron vs. Appelman! :lol:
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    Those rooting for Marcel (me being one) or Appleman beg to differ.
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    The Iron Chef format, though, doesn't make the Iron Chef the main focus of the show. The challenger is equally, if not more, central, and the camera people spend a lot of time filming the sous chefs working. The most screen time the IC gets is when he or she presents the plates to the judges and gives an intro.