The Newsroom

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Holley Calmes, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. Holley Calmes

    Holley Calmes Well-Known Member

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    Did anybody watch the first episode, and perhaps "The Making Of..." ? It's being treated so reverentially, I wondered if anyone saw it and what they thought.
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  2. milanessa

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    Not me. The teasers looked interesting but I don't subscribe to HBO.
  3. AliasJohnDoe

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    I loved it.

    But I love most HBO and Showtime series.
  4. Cachoo

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    Sorkin fan: I'm in for better or worse and I enjoyed the first episode.
  5. Tinami Amori

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    The first episode was fantastic. Let's hope they can keep it up, which would be hard. Best show on US TV i've seen in years.

    The dialogues and use of language is fantastic, like art-work.
  6. KHenry14

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    I love me some Sorkin to be sure, and this one seems as good as the rest of his shows. Allison Pill is beautifully cast as Jeff Daniels' assistant, and John Gallagher Jr. looks to be very good as the nerdy senior producer.

    Too bad that this show is getting a lot of bad reviews. I hope people give it a chance.
  7. vesperholly

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    I found it entertaining, but the characters stereotypical. I hope they can expand on that in more episodes. I've also read several bad reviews.
  8. MarieM

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    Too many bad reviews for me to hope it'll last, but I loved it anyway :)
  9. Holley Calmes

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    I know, I was sort of amazed at the bad reviews. I did have trouble with all the screaming and put-downs and heavy handedness combined with the rat-a-tat-tat dialogue which everyone seems to love so much. BUT-I had had a very rough day at work and was already punch drunk, so maybe that was my problem. Richard loved it, and we decided we'd give it another shot.

    I do think it's terribly self-conscious, but there's no doubt it's excellently made. I do care about Jeff Daniels' little assistant and the young man who came in with Daniels' ex-girlfriend-producer whatever she is. (She's gorgeous but totally unbelievable.) It felt like they were all just trying too hard and were so very, very, very serious and a bit sanctimonious.

    Maybe they'll relax and we can add in a wee bit of humor and lightness that's still sharp and relevant. Think Boston Legal! Well, don't, because this is a totally different show. I know that. But it was like eating a whole chocolate pound cake which was delicious but just too filling.
  10. Wyliefan

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    Um, it's Sorkin. Sanctimonious is his middle name. ;) Yeah, not such a big fan here. Of course he's very, very talented; the problem is that he's very, very, VERY aware of it.

    And I can't get over "Mackenzie MacHale." I hope they don't plan for her to get back together with her ex, or there's a chance she could one day be Mackenzie MacHale McAvoy.
  11. pixie cut

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    I liked it. I didn't love it. I found the "making of" pieces that aired before the first episode were more intriguing the show itself. It's very watchable, so I'll be back next Sunday.
  12. AliasJohnDoe

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    I don't really listen to the critics/reviewers. I like to make up my own mind on whether something is good or bad. Paid critics/reviewers seem to have an agenda in their opinion today. And most of the time I dislike what the critics love, and love what the critics dislike.
  13. milanessa

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    I think most people do - what you can glean from the reviews is whether or not a show is likely to last. No sense in getting too invested in it if it's dropped quickly. There have been instances of viewers protesting and saving shows but that's a long shot.
  14. Artemis@BC

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    As I wrote in the general TV thread ...

    Sorkin series pilot script checklist:

    ~ Lead character facing imminent job crisis: check
    ~ Lead characters with a romantic past: check
    ~ Crusty-but-wise boss: check
    ~ Bright young thing who's just starting out and seems timid but you just know is bound to go far: check
    ~ Walk-and-talk: check
    ~ People who are incredibly passionate about their jobs: check
    ~ Grandiose speeches: check
    ~ An idealized-in-a-good way workplace, and by extension an idealized-in-a-good-way America: check

    In case you can't tell ... I enjoyed it. Despite the stereotypes and the predictable formula. But I'm biased, I've loved just about everything Sorkin has done. I don't even get HBO, I was so eager to see this I tracked it down by, um, less legit means.

    My only criticism, and it's small, was that I thought the profanity in the opening scene was unrealistic and unnecessary. It was like "Hey, this is HBO and we've gone 5 minutes without swearing ..." And I'm someone who curses like a sailor and is not the least bit offended by four-letter words -- I just thought it was jarring in this context.

    (It's funny, in Studio 60 there was an episode about a guy who'd written a series about the UN. He wanted to sell it to a cable channel thinking it would find a better home there, but Jordan wanted it for her network because she though it deserved as wide an audience as possible. I couldn't help but think of that this show could have deleted the swearing and been right at home on a network.)

    Re: negative reviews etc., I've always had the sense that a cable series is more likely to go its whole season despite ratings and reviews. Might not last more than a season, but not likely to be yanked after only a couple of episodes. Particularly subscriber-based cable stations like HBO that don't have the same reliance on selling ad space. But I could be completely wrong about that.

    p.s. I looked up Emily Mortimer after watching to try to remember what else I'd seen her in besides Dear Frankie and some British TV stuff ... and discovered that her father is John Mortimer! Never made that connection before!
  15. Habs

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    I loved it, but I watched it with the bias of being a Sorkin fan.
    In addition to that, both Mr. Habs and I come from a news background (both of us are former journalists), so it was all that much more interesting. Love it!
  16. julieann

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    I think you pretty much summed it up.

    The show seems to have been done before, although I do watch a ton of TV. I really didn't think it was anything spectacular. HBO has better things to offer.

    A free podcast of the pilot is on iTunes until July 23rd.
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    I don't mind stereotypes and predictable formula so long as it's well-done. I'd rather watch an unoriginal idea done well than a new idea that's horribly executed.

    I liked it. I didn't love it, I didn't hate it. I'll definitely tune in next week, but I wouldn't stay home to watch it either or feel compelled to post as it's happening.
  20. WildRose

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    I liked it a lot - looking forward to seeing more episodes.
  21. icecat

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    HBO? not worth the $
  22. pixie cut

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    I think HBO is totally worth the dollars. I watch several original series and some movies.
  23. AliasJohnDoe

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    Me too. I think I've had HBO since 1980. Love my HBO and Showtime. Some of the best shows on TV.
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    I got HBO a few years ago as part of a package when I needed to get Universal Sports to watch skating.

    Now US is no longer available to me :(, but meanwhile I have gotten hooked on HBO. Couldn't afford to get Showtime as well, but I catch up on a few of their shows after the fact via Netflix.

    The acting and production quality of much of what's on broadcast TV is painful to me after having watched very little TV at all (besides skating) for a number of years and then mostly cable shows that put more time into each episode.

    Anyway, I can foresee some problems with this show but there are also things I like about it, so I'm in for the season.
  25. AliasJohnDoe

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    Years ago, only 1 HBO and 1 Showtime were available. Now when you order HBO and Showtime, you get multiple channels for the same price. (On satellite)

    Now when you order HBO, you get 8 channels. HBO-E, HBO2E, HBOSG, HBO-W, HBO2W, HBOFM, HBOCY, HBOLT.

    When you order Showtime, you get 6 channels. SHO-E, SHO-W, SHOTO, SHOCS, SHOEX, SBYND.
  26. milanessa

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    Their best stuff usually ends up on cable eventually - I can wait. :)
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    I actually resubscribed to HBO in large part because of this show (among other things). I was happy with the pilot and look forward to more.
  28. Artemis@BC

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    Meant to say earlier: I think it was smart to set the timeline for this as 2010 (or at least starting there). Lets them use real news stories as they really happened, like they did for the pilot, but I would imagine they'll use "fake" stories too as the series develops -- but without being not-current. One of the biggest oddities in The West Wing was being about "real world" politics but against the alternate-reality backdrop, esp. post-911.
  29. pixie cut

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    HBO on Demand runs all these little features pertaining to its shows. I seem to recall seeing on after episode one that said they will focus on real news stories.
  30. Artemis@BC

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    So after watching episode 2, I'm noticing now Sorkin repeats himself not just in the broad strokes and characterizations, but in the tiny dialogue details as well. In the opening run-down meeting, the phrases "Muhammed al Muhammed al Muhammed al Bazir" and "were you distracted by a bumble-bee?" were used, both of which I recognized from The West Wing.

    I am finding it grating in places ... but still entertaining enough to keep going. For now at least. I'll be interested to see how they develop Olivia Munn's character (I've only ever seen her in The Daily Show). And I continue to love Sam Waterston as "the white Robert Guillaume."
  31. Habs

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    I wasn't nearly as impressed by the second episode as I was by the first.
  32. icecat

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    There is enough going on politically without getting it from your "entertainment"stations..
    http://tv.yahoo.com/news/hbo-now-targeting-fox-news-roger-ailes-tv-223010108.html
    HBO? not worth the $
    For me the last straw was putting the mock up of President Bush's head on a stake...just imagine if that was our current president's head...it would have been on the front page of every newspaper ( what's left of them) and headlining every news show...but only because it would have been racist, not political. Of course, this was neither..right? :rolleyes:
  33. milanessa

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    Aren't you in the wrong forum?
  34. Holley Calmes

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    All politics aside...after watching that hideous episode 2, Richard and I said "that was it!" We won't be watching anymore. My big peeve was the absolutely disgusting depiction of the two most prominent women in the show. I have worked in many corporate settings over my years, and those women were the most revolting example of what some men "think" women can be on the job. Just off the wall emotional, hyper, unprofessional, and..well...I was repulsed. How many melt-downs did they experience between them? Professional women do NOT act like that in the work force. And I've been in the work force battling it out for women's rights since I was 14. Sorkin must have issues with women, and if what's being said over on "Television without pity" is correct..there's a lot of smoke.

    Bye Newsroom! Lots of luck.

    I do love HBO, though, except for this thing. Didn't they create "Deadwood?" I forgot her name, but the little blonde whore on Deadwood should go into the Newsroom office and just kick some ass. I bet she could straighten them all out without blabbering on for 15 minutes.
  35. Tinami Amori

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    Same here.....:(... and I don't like the "political lean" of some of the dialogues and monologues on "immigration"... but then i remembered it's HBO, a home for "Bill Maher"... If this show starts leaning "left" and many thousands of Russian immigrants will stop watching.

    On the Russian-American forums participants were very excited about the show after the first episode, and after this 2nd episode there is a wave of discontent....:D
  36. vesperholly

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    I may be wrong, but I thought liberals/the left/Democrats were generally pro-immigration.
  37. Cachoo

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    I'm not saying goodbye just yet but I do feel like I am watching his first newsroom show because "Sports Night" (title?) had the same sort of romantic entaglements (or soon to be romantic) and I think "Sports Night" actually was better. I see what you are saying about the reaction of the women in the office. I think Sorkin thinks that sort of behavior might be adorable. My concern is that Sorkin has run out of fresh ideas. And that is sad because I like this guy.
  38. Holley Calmes

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    That kind of behavior perpetuates what many men think of women in the workplace, and it pisses me off. Estrogen driven hysteria. Olivia Munn is a beautiful woman, but can she not see how demeaning this is? How silly? OK-I'm being too harsh. Forgive me. But back in the 1970's and 80's, it was tough. I hate seeing women act like this on such a hyped show. I could tell you all stories of demeaning and disgusting behavior that I coukd have sued for in this day and age. And these depictions of women are demeaning to me. Just demeaning. How can this get by in 2012??
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  39. Cachoo

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    I don't know--I often wonder what films and shows we would see if most of the writers and producers in Hollywood were female. I am not bashing men---I am merely curious.
  40. Habs

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    Tonight's episode was MUCH better than last week. I'm glad we decided to hang in there on this show. I'm optimistic about the trend.