The Mirai Nagasu thread

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  1. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    ^ I really wish she could bring some of that into her competitive programs... Mirai just doesn't feel the music like she used to back in 2010.
     
  2. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    I think she still does. If you have the ability to feel the music, it doesn't just disappear. I think she is stressed on the ice and is not able to project and interpret like she used to. Still fighting her demons. Very hopeful that she realizes her talent. She is such a pleasure to watch when she is on.
     
  3. Dr.Siouxs

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    So she got a bronze at COR. Meh, good enough.

    Mirai for Sochi :mitchell:
     
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  4. RoseAugust

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    I've always been a huge fan of Mirai and am so thrilled with her skating this past weekend. I'm really hoping she'll make the Olympic team.
     
  5. Triple Butz

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    I am really impressed with the improved technique on her jumps last weekend, but she REALLY needs to get her personality going again. She can be such an engaging performer when she wants to be and her team desperately needs to start bringing that out in her again. I hope she continues after Sochi, regardless of whether or not she makes the team, I still think she has a lot to offer and she's only 20. Next season, she needs to think about getting that 3sal back. If your name isn't Yuna Kim, you can't afford to skip a triple anymore IMO.
     
  6. olympic

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    She really seemed to come alive in the last 5 elements of her LP at CoR. You could almost feel it just watching on TV. I'm fine w/ a team consisting of Wagner and Gold but with Czisny gone, I'm really pulling for Nagasu
     
  7. Sasha'sSpins

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    If Adam choreographed it then the boy has skillz! He needs to choreograph Mirai's competitive programs too!
    Good enough for me too! Mirai for Sochi!! :mitchell:

    Whole post!! ITA with each point that you brought up! Mirai needs to keep improving her technique, start showing her sparkling personality again on the ice, keep skating after Sochi!, and get that 3S back! She used to do a good one, I don't know what happened there!

    She also needs to get a 3-3 back into her LP (preferrably 3Lz-3T or 3F-3T) to go along with her 2A-3T.
     
  8. Coco

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    You know...that gorgeous exhibition can't be reworked into an SP because that lovely spin she does in the beginning would be lost, and it just sets off the whole program so beautifully. Without it, the program wouldn't be the same. Sorry to be a bucket of cold water :(
     
  9. Sasha'sSpins

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    Surely the choreographer could re-work it into a gorgeous competitive piece just the same.
     
  10. Karpenko

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    I'm on board from here on out too, I never really left except for 2 weeks being frustrated after NHK... And she let me have it. :shuffle: I want her to not only make the team but rise to a medal, why not? She's good enough, and she did it in 2010. She just needs more conditioning and lots and lots of run-throughs, the judges will be like oh yeah we remember you, here are your 8's we've been saving. Her flexibility is back to where it used to be, and there's lots and lots of potential Mirai moments she's not bringing to life in both the SP and the LP you can see it in the choreography, that will come alive with better conditioning and she's not just trying to get through the elements with good quality. It's all in the face and upper-body posture when she's selling it, over 1 full mark in PCS difference when she does too, IMO. :lol:

    Anyways good vibes she's on her way, I would hope she maybe does some kind of send-off type skate to show her training before Nationals if she doesn't have a competition planned, she needs maybe just one more strong showing in the public to be able to really let loose and not think her way through at Nationals IMO.
     
  11. Cheylana

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    Good for Mirai grabbing that bronze, but I just can't get my hopes up for Natonals :fragile:
     
  12. IceAlisa

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    Better not to, that way you may be pleasantly surprised.
     
  13. Sasha'sSpins

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    I like this idea but are is there another competition out there where Mirai could compete before Nationals?
     
  14. Blondie12

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    I like Mirai, bc of the contenders other than Ashley, she could maybe grab a medal, especially at worlds, if it is watered down especially and if she has an inspired skate.
     
  15. bardtoob

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    Yeah, I'd just be happy within no under rotations and all planned elements executed. I don't care if I see "spark" as long as I see the results of sweat.
     
  16. Jarrett

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    A triple triple in the long doesn't help her until she starts doing the salchow or triple axel since they limited the number of double axels you can do. Maybe next year. Her axel in the short was beautiful.
     
  17. olympic

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    Forgot to mention - I'm hoping she nails a 2a-3t. It was probably planned in the RC LP, but you could see in slo-mo that she landed the 2a a little off balance and her blade slightly wobbled to her right. Perhaps during this down time, she should try a 3toe - 2a sequence or just make the final jumping pass a 3toe. She needs 6 triples since she's not doing a 3sal and yes, for me, it's a mystery why she got rid of the 3sal back in '09 and never brought it back. I suppose it has to do with keeping her programs simpler for her, but maybe with all her hard work, it would be doable again?
     
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    I always wondered about that too!She really had a nice 3S back then..
    I simply hope she got a bit of a confidence builder after this competition, I wonder how "important"it would be for her to nail a 3F/3T in the SP at Nationals versus a 3T/3T?I think it is a good sign that the first time she tried the 3T/3T this season, it got counted.I would love her to go for a 3F/3T but only if she really nails it in training and still, I would be worried of an UR and/or an edge call..
     
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  19. Sasha'sSpins

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    Oh pooh, I forgot about that! I truly hope Mirai stays in whether she makes the Sochi team or not and works on her edges/lutz/flip and gets that salchow back! Back to basics might to do the trick.
     
  20. smarts1

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    Skinny can be flabby and vice versa. Next to many other elite ladies, her musculature is not as defined. Why does this bother people so much?
     
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    Don't know. It doesn't bother me, but it seems to bother other people so just making a point with the photo. If anything Mirai looks like a stick despite not having a visible musculature. Mirai should flex for the camera and we'll all be proven wrong. :D
     
  24. Sasha'sSpins

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    Who said that Mirai looks flabby? That's nuts. She's matured into a beautiful young woman. Unfortunately she had yet another growth spurt post Vancouver and that seems to have affected her jumps some more - but I think she's getting used to her new frame and slowly getting it back. It may take til after Sochi but if she stays in I think she can definitely improve tons from here on.

    And thanks for the link. Agnes and Mirai look gorgeous!
     
  25. Sasha'sSpins

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    I don't think Mirai is flabby. But I do agree her muscles don't seem as defined as they once were. Look at these pictures:

    http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/45...vcCZI/BJXB1rHwh/vxBwHi9LZfTyi8p7Kzk+zRs62iw==

    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/15...npwVjlvqQrBKPB/2WGQnEYA7Dj/2joSiFinOQ5cl/HQ==

    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/15...mj90hw1Be8zMSYolpEOJuGGSAceqKHdSyrmlMxwpRdA==

    Here she is back in 2010 - not fully mature yet but she looked 'cut' compared to now:
    http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2....JPG?fd5af0684d698ce74dd4392bafb4f89a6dc66ee3

    Her new shape seems to have given her rather heavy looking thighs/legs. I am NOT saying she looks fat - but it seems to me she might be able to get more definition in the that area with certain exercises, maybe even light weights. Unfortunately her new shape has changed her lines in spirals, etc. I believe she can get even better definition with the right exercises.

    In a way Mirai's body changes reminds me of Nadia Comaneci. Nadia showed up at the '78 Worlds (where she was 4h in the AA) still a slender woman but not in top shape, not in top condition. She didn't look 'cut':
    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/16...Gh9c2Mkaayz4itIa2f9bNTbNSRY1xi2dGEAoOcDopew==

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yTgC5TolbI

    Half a year later Nadia showed up at the 1979 European Championships (which she won) in the shape of her life - you could see the muscle definition so well that a reporter at the time wrote that she now had the 'legs of a sprinter' while 'retaining the grace of a ballerina':
    http://gymnast.bplaced.com/AG/Comaneci/Comaneci_19_EC79.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhJazrYviRw

    Here she is at the 1979 World Cup: http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/31.../K930SNSDKyT5oJpkyJmuWMGGCmlr+F13e0w/BYjELWYF

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCGLMuTPis

    I'd bet someone like Denise Biellmann could whip Mirai into the shape of her life! And she'd look 'cut' again!
     
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  26. IceAlisa

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    Mirai is not flabby, no way. I was making a general statement. I agree with what you said although I am having trouble opening the cache links.

    I think underneath a tiny bit of softness, Mirai has :kickass: muscles. In her case, I believe definition has more to do with diet than with exercise because I am sure she gets plenty of exercise. She'd probably have to cut out a lot of high glycemic index foods and what fun is that?
     
  27. Coco

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    OMG - as if she didn't have enough to deal with, can we really stop having endless posts devoted to analyzing her body? Take it to a PM!
     
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  28. all_empty

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    Agree...just reading these posts is making me neurotic...God forbid Mirai does.

    Bodies change for a variety of reasons: puberty, changes in diet, changes in exercise.

    Let's leave it to Mirai, her coaches, and her trainer/nutritionist.

    I just want her to be healthy and happy.
     
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  29. Marco

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    Can we get back to discussing her SKATING?

    I feel her performances in Russia was a huge step in the right direction, but she is still lacking in speed, transitions, interpretation and overall confidence and command. I hope the medal here will give her the confidence she needs to ace it at Nationals. She has it in her.
     
  30. olympic

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    Frankly, I don't care what Mirai's body looks like. Is she rotating her jumps? Is she staying off her a$$? Is she still flexible enough? She's on the right track
     
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