The Kings of Quad

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by umronnie, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

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    It would seem that to lala, it's all about Plushenko and nothing else matters. Wonder what they will do when Plushy actually retires from skating. Will they still follow him as intensely as they do now? I understand about being uber but I fear lala may be taking it to another level -- perhaps their own rep level, dare I say? ;) :D
     
  2. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    It's not like he hasn't retired before, and yes, many of his fans continued to follow him intensely then. He put together lots of great shows and had interesting side projects (Eurovision, political stuff). But getting back on topic, I'm not sure if he did quads in the shows. :p Actually it is an interesting question (and you'd have to be a real uber to know this), how many quads did he land in exhibition between the 2006 Olympics and 2009 CoR? Guessing not a lot cause of show lighting, although Plushy is insane enough to try. :D It must have been so hard to get it back if he hadn't been practicing it regularly.
     
  3. Holley Calmes

    Holley Calmes Well-Known Member

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    I respect and admire Plushy very much, but these ubers are influencing me to want to avoid him. This kind of extreme infatuation has got a huge "ick" factor. Bless their hearts.
     
  4. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

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    I think that's true for ubers in general. Chan ubers have ruined his skating for me, though I'm trying to overcome this prejudice ;) I just don't get why some people can only like a skater if they perceive said skater as perfect and superior to others in all aspects. To me that's a variation on being a fair weather fan.

    umronnie, I have a challenge for you: can you post a list of who has done the most quads other than a 4T? I figure Goebel and Fernandez will be on it, and Amodio and Zhang as well.
     
  5. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I'm actually thinking Michael Weiss could be somewhere on there, since the two footed quad lutz may count (if rotated), and I remember him doing that a lot. Klimkin had a sal, but I don't think he used it much. Did Chengjiang Li have the sal?
     
  6. screech

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    Kevin Reynolds as well. He does the 4s quite regularly.
     
  7. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    He didn't do it a lot. 1998 Nationals looked pretty good in real time but was two footed and not rotated. I think he tried at one or two international events but didn't come even that close. His other quad attempts were toe loops and also inconsistent.

    I was going to suggest Reynolds and Klimkin as well. I haven't done the research though.
     
  8. Eyre

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    Takahashi ubers have largely ruined his skating for me. I know that I should have appreciated him more than I do now and I did appreciate him more in the past. I'm trying.;)

    And Plushy uber like lala has done great negative jobs on me, too.
     
  9. antmanb

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    I was thinking anyone who tries the sal more than the toe, so maybe someone like Frederick Dambier, who definitely landed a few 4S (i don't think he ever attempted the 4T), but my money would be on Goebel.

    Re Ubers: I found not reading anything to do with Chan, interviews, threads on internet boards, and just watching his skating has turned me into a fan.

    On Plush - seeing him skate live at Europeans finally made me understand what doesn't come across on TV, so I appreciate him more than i ever have....but since I still only get to watch him on TV i don't massively enjoy his performances. I watched the taped cvoerage of the Europeans programmes I saw live, and just noted how unfavourably it compared to live.
     
  10. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    It was the Kwan ubers (in the US media even more than the fans) that prevented me from appreciating a very nice skater as much as I would have if I'd been allowed to develop that appreciation on my own.

    But she never did any quads much less as king of them. ;)
     
  11. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

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    And if the 4S/4Lz won't be enough of a challenge for umronnie, there's always the possibility of the Kings (and Queens) of Quads: pairs edition!

    Therein lies the tragedy (if we were to use the sort of overblown terminology that they like) of the ubers: in trying so hard to bring you around to their way of thinking, they achieve exactly the opposite.
     
  12. antmanb

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    King Kwan with a Kwad? :D Kan you imagine it :rolleyes:
     
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  13. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

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    Hello professordeb!:)

    You know, I watched the FS in my whole life, ( I remember Katarina Witt and Debbie Thomas for example), and i adore it ! I had so many favourites in every discipline. But Plushenko and his personality amazed me, even if you don't understand it. So I'm tired of you. What is your problem? I read almost every threads, and I interested in those things. But I write if I know something. And what I know exactly ? Plushenko.:p I have no time to know every skater's details, stories etc. Do you understand?
    You can be sure that Plushy won't disappear from the FS if he withdraw entirely. He wants to be a coach (he is already a coach, but don't work, of course), and he is more than a good skater, as Cherub said.
     
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  14. Zemgirl

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    I would expect Goebel to top that list, definitely - though Fernandez could surpass him at some point.

    I am shocked that you would resort to such puns! :lol:

    I believe the only queen of any sort on a quad list would be Miki Ando, right?
     
  15. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

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    Well, you are right. I didn't read the first post..:(
     
  16. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    No kidding? Shocking.
     
  17. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

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    Well, now you know. There's a place for expressing your admiration for a favorite skater, but a general thread like this one isn't really it...
     
  18. umronnie

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    Generally, if it was done under CoP, I probably have it on protocol, but for 6.0 programs you mostly have to check youtube clips and telling a clean quad sal from a clip is more difficult than a clean quad toe. I don't have anything for Min Zhang. I didn't figure he'd be around the 40-50s so I didn't bother checking up on his clips. I used to be a fan of Dambier, but as far as I can remember, he mostly 2-footed his 4S, and they were probably underrotated.

    So, from the quad list that I have:

    Goebel with 34 quad sals out of 35 attemps! (most of his falls were on 4T)
    Reynolds with 25 quad sals out of 38 attempts (66%). He also attempted 4Loop a couple of times, but none were successful
    Fernandez with 9 out of 9 attempts

    What is interesting about thses 3 guys is that their success rate on the 4S is higher than the 4T. Goebel and Reynolds prefer(ed) the 4S and it is the one they repeat while Fernandez prefers the 4T.

    Amodio has only done 4Ss, not 4Ts. He has landed all of 6 out of 12 attempts. Brezina has a beautiful 4S, when he lands it, which hadn't happened a lot - 6 times (plus one 4T) out of 18 attempts total.
     
  19. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

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    Ok, Ok!:shuffle: I understand, calm down. :D
     
  20. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

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    :p
     
  21. professordeb

    professordeb Well-Known Member

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    lala said
    Thank you dear one. I understand your love for Plushy but sometimes it gets a wee bit weary for those of us who are not ubers. It would also be a good idea to get into the habit of reading the first post of a topic :D

    OK, back to quad talk!
     
  22. Jenny

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    Agree - IMO only when you see him live can you fully appreciate Plushy's power, command of the ice and the way he can pull an audience in. Mind you, the same can be said for a lot of skaters. Kwan bored me to death except for the times I saw her live, when she lit up the entire area with the beauty of her skating.
     
  23. Zemgirl

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    Wow re Goebel. That is an impressive success rate even for triples, let along a quad. Also Fernandez and his perfect record, why he's not doing them in the SP is a mystery.
     
  24. SmallFairy

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    Dambier did a lot of salchows as far as I remember, but I have to go back and check my tapes... I guess some were URd and two-footed, my love for Frédéric might have blurred my memory.

    Klimkin's 4s was a beauty when he landed it, like when he won NHK with his Faun-program. What year was that? Didn't he even do two quads then? He also did a great quad in some GP 2002/2003 season. Also NHK?
     
  25. Cherub721

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    The Goebel and Fernandez success rates are amazing! I don't think a 4sal is easier than a 4toe, per se, but I wonder if it's because it's such a rare jump, that the guys don't feel a need to put it in unless they are really really consistent on it. With the 4toe, a lot of guys probably put it in because of the pressure, even if they're not hitting it well in practice.
     
  26. skatak

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    I remember seeing Frédéric Dambier landing 4T in practice, for I doubt he tried it in competition (I could be wrong here). Would have loved to see his 4F.
     
  27. SmallFairy

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    Yes, Dambier landed perfect 4toes (and 4sal's) at the practices at Euros in Budapest 2004. I remember staying in the practice rink watching him, instead of going to the main rink to watch some finale (pairs?) Seem to recall I was about the only one in the stands lol. Watched rest of pairs later;)
    Fréderic didn't attempt the 4t in his FS the evening after though, I've never seen him try anything else but the salchow in competition.
     
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  28. mustafinabars

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    Goebel will probably always be the all time king of quads and all jumps in skating.
     
  29. johndockley92

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    Has any woman besides Ando hit a quad in competition? I remember when Sasha was training the 4S, but I don't think she ever landed it in competition. Also I believe that Courtney Hicks has been training it.
     
  30. gkelly

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