Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by misskarne, Jun 15, 2012.
I think he's picked up a few more fans out of this. As he should
Some interesting news out of the icenetwork report!
The ratio is getting bigger! I know he'll get there! Can't wait for JGPF!
Encouraging news but you know, if the 3a continues to bug him, he could potentially have a future in ice dance . He sure was dancey in that MC Hammer number .
That's what I thought-Jason, if you grow taller, and have more 3A trouble, for heaven's sake, you're a natural dancer (and from a dance perspective, that number was even better in person)
I don't think he's going to get any taller - he'll be 18 soon, and he's already done a LOT of growing.
A lot of growing? Jason is only listed as 5'7", and if Josh is really only 5'8", then he's realistically probably more like 5'6" which is definitely on the shorter side for a guy. I mean, he's always been small looking at pictures and videos of him as a little kid, but apart from a couple seasons ago when he grew maybe 3 inches over the course of several months, I don't recall him ever having a huge growthspurt, just that he was smaller than most of his peers, which he still is. Anyways I was joking about the ice dancing thing, but if he did really want to pursue it, I'm sure there are some small female ice dancers out there, and size difference doesn't matter nearly as much in ice dance as in pairs.
Jason Brown looks bigger than Joshua Farris because he is bulkier.
Farris and Brown are unlikely to ever beat Hanyu Yuzuru who is way above them unless one improves his PCs and the other his TES.
Do you really think? I'm always shocked that Farris is only 5'8" because to me he looks pretty tall and lanky on the ice, I would guess like 5'10" to 6', probably because his legs are very long and thin. Brown otoh doesn't look tall to me, ever. He used to be soo skinny and tiny though!
It might shock you...but my husband, my father, and my youngest son all grew several inches between 18 and 24.
My dad was 5'2" when he graduated high school, and grew to 5'8". My youngest son, the same. My husband grew 3 inches between age 20 & age 24.
Of course it's possible he'd still grow, I think it's more just looking at his body type, it seems pretty proportional now, if he's grown at all since last season it's only minimally, and he's always been small so it would be unusual for him to grow tall now. I more worry about Josh growing taller because his legs are still really long compared to the rest of him, it could just be his build but he's also pretty skinny still, and although according to bios he's only grown a couple inches over the past 2 or 3 years which would make it seem like he's probably done/nearly done by now, I still worry he could have a spurt and it would affect his gorgeous jumps, namely 3a and 4t. Hopefully that won't happen though, I'm really impressed with him this season so far, lots of improvements since last season which was the first time I was really taken by his skating and noted the potential.
How interesting. My brother shot up to 6'4" between 16 and 17, but he didn't grow anymore after 18.
This is why I try not to give my heart to junior skaters-it's all well & good to assume that most don't grow after some age, but some people do.
I'm often wary. But then sometimes I just get blindsided. Like by these two. Oops.
Yeah but these two are so good! Or at least I think so. They have the potential to be way better than Lysacek and Weir IMO (no offense to Evan or Johnny!). Besides they are probably done growing, or mostly done, anyways. No one else in Josh's family is tall and he's always had those long thin legs since he was a little kid so it's probably just his build, and as for Jason, he seemed to do most of his growing in that one significant spurt he had a couple years back and physical changes since have appeared to be pretty marginal. The bigger concern for these two is more likely to be changes in build, which they also might not experience, but at this age is when you do see a lot of guys bulk up, which in terms of skating could be beneficial or detrimental. Looking at some of the big jumpers among the international men today, they really have a broad range of body types, Joubert and KVDP muscular, Hanyu and Oda very slight and wiry, Chan and Brezina somewhere in-between. And even in the US, Brandon Mroz is lanky and Max and Keegan are more compact and stocky, so really, it seems like powerful male jumpers can come in all shapes and sizes.
Laurent Tobel was a very good jumper until he got to 6'4" or whatever huge height he ended up as.
Then he was a wonderful entertainer, but I always wish he had stayed a little shorter. His jumps wer OK, but still
This kid got skills! Go Jason!
Well, the good news for Josh and Jason is that they won't have to worry about competing against Han Yan or Nathan Chen at the JGPF. However, Kovtun put up a monster FS score and it appears the judges now rank him on equal footing in terms of PCS to these two. Should be interesting to see the competition go down at the JGPF. Kovtun's 3a and 4t were both really good, 3a-3t especially strong. Anyways I think having another really strong competitor on the scene should help push all the boys to work really hard heading into the event. Josh now has incentive to work on the consistency of his quad like he said he plans to, and as for Jason, 3a should obviously be a priority, ideally getting 2 in his FS, where it's likely that the rest of the field will all be going for 2 in the FS, and half the field will likely be attempting a quad as well! Why are the juniors so good this season?? Like seriously though it's barely October and we've already seen 4 different men land quads and score over 210 points - on the JUNIOR grand prix!!
From yesterday, with thanks to Sylvia on Twitter:
It's kind of that he both times has downgraded the one in the SP and then only UR the one in the LP. Not bad considering he skated both in one day.
Getting closer! Go Jason!
The not falling part on the ur 3a is a good start...But it leads me to wonder whether the way the 3A in the SP is placed is harder for him than where it is in the LP. Maybe the SP layout needs some work, as well as the 3A needing work.
I like his FS better so I'm glad he's only getting UR on that one
Maybe I'll warm up to the SP one eventually though. It probably is a tougher entrance though and that's the reason for the downgrades, I would think. Good scores though, of course, I don't know if we can expect him to post scores like that at the JGPF, but it's still promising, and there is still a lot of time between now and then for him to improve his 3a. Should be an exciting event this year, lots of strong skaters...
That's a possibility, though to my eye it looks like he does more of the same entrance. However, he seems to hold the entry into the SP one longer; I wonder if it's just nerves? Getting the first 3A of the comp over with?
It's still just under two months until the JGPF. That's ages and ages. It wouldn't surprise me if he appeared at JGPF with fully-rotated 3As. If he does, he can put up 220+ no sweat.
Actually, something I just noticed. In the SP hte 3A is the first jump and he waits a long time before stepping forward and jumping. In the LP, he does a gorgeous 3F first (his best jump IMO), and then goes and does the 3A, but he doesn't hesitate as long. I wonder if pulling off the comfortable jump first helps. Maybe they could switch up his SP jump order? Do the 3F first?
Usually skaters open with their hardest jumps in the SP, so idk about doing the 3f first. He's probably just focusing and stalking the jump more in the SP because it's more important there than in the FS where there are so many jumps. Also, the tempo of the music is faster which could make a difference.
As for the scores, you're probably right, but there is a lot of competition. All the other guys in the field have more or less consistent triple axels, and Jin, Farris, and Kovtun also have 4t in their arsenal and have landed it in competition this season. In the case of Kovtun and Farris, they've also been receiving comparable PCS to Brown which gives him less of a cushion, and even though Jin's PCS are lower, he did already beat Jason once this season. I think, due to the fact that there's a lot of time between now and then and due to the strength of the rest of his skating and FS, but also the strength of the other men, we could easily see a situation where Jason repeats as JGPF champion OR is off the podium. Kovtun and Farris are probably the favorites to win, but they don't seem to milk COP as well as Jason so we shall see. Tanaka could be a threat too if he could finally put 2 good programs together... which is a big if. I'm glad Jason keeps trying the 3a though despite the downgrades, URs, and -GOE he keeps getting - in the SP at least he'd likely score higher with a clean 2a but he keeps trying it regardless which is what I like to see!
Figured I'd revive the thread since the JGPF is coming up!
And also, to share a piece of news, thanks to Sylvia for posting this article...
The important parts
Can't wait for the short programs now!
Clean 3axel for Jason?! if it happens, it is going to be bigger than the moon landing!
But Farris for the win!
Good news for Farris and Brown. Based on recent past performances, I agree with Marco that Farris may beat Brown in the JGPF. But if Brown has his 3As, then the game will change to favour him. If Brown gets his quads, he will be 'unbeatable' and 'can fall 4 times and win' (as some said of Chan). Hanyu will face the biggest threat from Brown in challenging his status as the next dominant skater for the under 20. Interesting times ahead ... wonder how the state of play will change after Sochi 2014 in men's competition. The only skaters who may challenge Hanyu's dominance are Farris, Brown and Han Yan. Good luck to all of them.
Agreed overall though I prefer Joshua's style to Jason's and think Joshua has much better technique.
Haha truth! But Kovtun appears to be strong competition for both these guys, also has a quad and is skating at home, and Jin, though obviously juniorish and not as strong in PCS, does have a great 4t, plus if Tanaka manages to skate anywhere close to clean he should score quite well too. Even Hino could surprise, his score from Japan Junior Nats was promising. I'm interested to see how things end up shaking out! If the men skate well the entire event could be a very high scoring one, IMO.
Check out all the positive quotes by Farris' and Brown's coaches in this JGP Final preview article: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121205&content_id=40539742&vkey=ice_news
More Josh and Jason stuff! JGPF STARTS TONIGHT!
Icenetwork photo gallery: http://web.icenetwork.com/photos/gallery.jsp?content_id=40535102
Jason blogs again, remains funny: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121205&content_id=40534562&vkey=ice_news
The coaches all have their say! http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121205&content_id=40539742&vkey=ice_news
Can it be 12:45 am yet? Please? *calculates* Twelve hours and forty-five minutes to go...
Wonderful news about Jason's progress!
Here's to a great competition for both Joshua and Jason.
Triple axel! Triple axel! Triple axel!
This will get interesting.
Yay so excited! Good luck guys! BTW, looking at those photos, Josh looks like a young Tom Cruise. Not even joking. Cute kid...or ooops, I guess I should say man after reading that article . Looking forward to all the events to start!!
I've been thinking since this season started that Josh seems more grown-up this year. Glad to know Christy Krall agrees with us!
Josh is in 1st place (74.53) over Maxim Kovtun after the SP. Here is his program!
Jason is in 3rd place (69.43). Here is his program!
Step aside, moon landing because JASON HAS HIS TRIPLE AXEL!
Called totally clean! No downgrades! No under-rotations! At last, at long last, he can pull it off. Congratulations, Jason!
(here are the protocols, in case you want to see it to believe it! )
Jason news a new SP stat - awful, awful program (and costume) wasted on a wonderful skater. Happy about the 3a though! At least the FS is so I'm looking forward to that, especially as a 3a would make it even better!
Josh's SP score with mistakes is very encouraging. I wonder if he can break 80 if clean with all the levels (I don't doubt that at Nationals, he could). Also prefer his FS to this SP but great spins - wow is he flexible!
Jason would be right up there in the lead if he hadn't screwed up his triple flip and doubled it. Good to see that he landed the triple axel though. I agree though his SP is terrible for someone with his skating skills. I love how he just glides on the ice.
Jason has clearly been working to get rid of the edge call on the flip as well as on the 3a!
I hope he has a great LP with both 3A and 3F w/o edge call!
Well it's hard to say because both Kovtun (lip and turnout, two missed levels) and Farris (3a stepout and missed level on one spin) made mistakes too, so I think if they had all been clean and got all the levels, the order would be the same as it is now. The top 4 are close point-wise though, any of them could be on the podium in any order I tend to think depending on what happens tomorrow. Jin and Tanaka could also score quite well with good skates, but they have more ground to make up. In any event it should be exciting, as at least 3 of the guys have quads planned (don't know about Hino or Tanaka but it wouldn't surprise me if they did).
The doubled flip surprised me. The flip is unquestionably (IMO) his best jump, his money jump - so to see him make a mistake on that was
I guess every artist has moment where everyone goes, "what were you thinking?". I think maybe this is Jason's.
Jason's never really had any problems with the edge on the flip - the only time I've ever seen him called for it was in Courchevel and I think so many other things were going wrong for him that day that we could probably overlook it. I am pleased he's working on the flutz. The tech panels seem to come and go as to when to call it.
And the 3A. I'm so, so pleased for him. I can't even begin to imagine how it must have felt, to be struggling with the jump for so long, and having people ask you endlessly where it is, and then suddenly, to have the click moment, and land it clean in competition - must be incredible.
And both US men have such wonderful spins.
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