The Joshua and Jason Uber Thread!

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by misskarne, Jun 15, 2012.

  1. misskarne

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    Well, I suppose the way to look at that is that Jason developed the skating skills/expression side of things because he needed them to make up for the jumps he didn't have, whereas Joshua always had those jumps, so didn't always need as much of the ss/expression. Now the tables have turned slightly; Jason has both the jumps (bar the quad, which he may have, but we haven't seen it yet) and the expression/ss, whereas Josh is now free to chase the ss/expression.

    I still marvel over the astonishing progress Josh has made on the second mark over the last two-three years.

    I have so many people I want so much to go to the Olympics and not enough places for all of them :(

    At least the good part about Jason is, with his solid skating skills and the fact that he's not yet been injured, he is a very strong contender to go all the way to 2018.
     
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  3. NadineWhite

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    I was thinking about Joshua Farris and why he comes across as such a safe skater (he was the only US man not to go for a quad in the FS this past weekend), and duh imho it's because he's had to be safe his entire life! And by that I mean his potentially life-threatening milk allergy, which causes him to literally eat out of a suitcase when he goes to competitions. If he even touches someone that has had milk or touched milk it can send him into asphyxiation and death. He's already had to go visit the hospital at least once during this past year at a competition because of his milk allergy. Anyhow, so now I can totally understand why he comes across as such a safe skater. YET I still love him and his skating and am proud he's from my hometown! :hat1:


    GOOOOOOOOOOOOO JOSH, MAKE THE OLYMPIC TEAM!!!:encore:
     
  4. SidelineSkater

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    I think he planned on a quad toe, but only did a triple. Looking at protocols, he planned a quad toe-triple toe, and a quad-sal as the first two jumping passes. Not sure if anyone who watched men's practices saw if he was doing them in warmups?

     
  5. TanithandBenFan

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    I only saw the twenty-minute SP warmup and he didn't complete any quads cleanly there.
     
  6. misskarne

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    This is heartbreakingly hauntingly beautiful. I love this. It's an absolutely gorgeous program and he does it so well. He is really feeling that music. Every step and movement - especially in that slow haunting second half - just fits so perfectly. If he does this clean, he may end up with the opposite of the standing ovation - that moment where the audience is too full of emotion to make a noise.

    Yeah, the jumps and spins weren't there, but when they are...oh, watch out. This is an Olympic program.


    As a side note, Josh said afterwards that he's been struggling with the quads lately, so it's no real surprise that they were triples in the FS.
     
  7. pinky166

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    And he said leading up to this event his quad was "the worst it's ever been" (and he's been landing 4t - in practices at least - since he was 15 or 16), and that he hadn't been training that well or working super hard in practice, which combined with his focus on the music, liking led to the disappointing result. I knew he was working on 4s, but I'm surprised it's planned in the program already...when he mentioned 1 or 2 quads in the FS, I assumed he was going to have an optional plan where, if he lands the first 4t, he tries a second, and if he falls on the first one, he doesn't attempt the jump again (kind of like what Ricky Dornbush did last season). But I guess if he was struggling with the 4t then maybe they changed the plan. His 3s does seem really easy for him so I don't doubt he can do a 4s, but it's very ambitious to try it in the program already! But maybe his layout will change by the GPs, who knows.

    Anyways, it sounds like Josh was pretty upset with the outcome of SLC so I expect him to buckle down and really focus on his training in the next month or so before Skate Canada and show improved performances there. He was hardly the only skater at SLC to show some early season rust (pretty much all of the GP skaters did). Also, the 4t in the SP was a pretty good effort given how his quad was not working in practices or even in training for a couple weeks prior, shows guts. GOOOO Josh! Try and make a run at the Olympic Team and give it your all...if he doesn't make it, no big deal, debut year and there's always 2018 (and even 2024 as he'd be barely 28 then, so the same age as Abbott and Joubert now, and younger than Plushenko). :)
     
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  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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  10. misskarne

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    All I can say is that Nobu must be really tiny if Jason is taller than him!

    Can't wait for Jason's Senior debut!
     
  11. pinky166

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    I still have a hard time believing Oda is a dad, he looks about 15...and he is tiny, like 5'4" I think. I hope Oda remembers how to count at this event, it will make the showdown between him and Jason more interesting. The rest of the men's field isn't that exciting so I'll be looking forward to seeing how these two stack up against each other at this early point in the season (unfortunately, with the state of Japanese and American mens' skating being what it is, they could both be fabulous here and for the rest of the season for that matter, and still both wind up off the Olympic team).
     
  12. misskarne

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    Much as I love Jason I just can't see him beating Nobu at this event. Not if Nobu goes mostly clean. Jason just won't pull the PCS as a maiden Senior. (Of course, I will always hope to be pleasantly surprised!)
     
  13. pinky166

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    Jason and Nobu have both been inconsistent in the past, the outcome of the situation, or more likely, how close it is, will come down to which Jason and which Nobu show up...
     
  14. misskarne

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    Well, edgy sexy Jason turned up in Nebelhorn tonight! 79.41 and in 2nd place (behind Oda, who had Mighty Oda show up for him!).

    Great 3A, 3F-yikes-3T, and tano 3Lz. Awesome spins and good footwork as always. Costume was...well, I'm not sure I like it yet. It does make him look older.
     
  15. pinky166

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    Watched on IN, Jason was great, and I was thrilled to see him land the 3a cleanly with +GOE! I was worried because this summer he kept 2-footing his 3a attempts, which often lends itself to URs and deductions, but this one was quite nice. Great early season score!
     
  16. misskarne

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    Jason is the second skater in the last group of men tonight! (Right before Brendan. Very convenient gentlemen, thankyou.)
     
  17. Mrs. P

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    Congrats to Jason for his silver medal at Nebelhorn Trophy! So awesome to see him pull out a nice 3A-3T (along with the rest of the choreography, spins, et al :) )

    Here's his FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sbqeEphfAw
     
  18. Sylvia

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    Jason had a great senior debut at Nebelhorn! I wonder if taking out the quad attempt is just temporary though, because I do feel it's keeping his PCS back a bit. 75 is certainly very commendable, but I think Jason could deservedly push or exceed 80 points in PCS, and tend to think if he starts going for the quad, putting one of the 3a in the bonus (and can land both of them cleanly, the one in combo today was quite nice, but the other wasn't even that close), the judges might be a little more generous with his PCS. And looking at the protocols, considering the judges went so GOE crazy with Oda's jumps, I don't see why Jason's spins didn't get more +2s and +3s, I was shocked to see a lot of the judges only giving him +1s for those fast, centered, crazy flexible spins! His spins definitely deserve more than +1s!
     
  21. barbk

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    I'd like to see him get his jump landings cleaned up a lot, and some nice running edges out of the jumps.
     
  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    I'n sure that the "improvements" that some are anxious about, will come, in time.
    Congratulations, Jason!
     
  24. merrywidow

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    Jason's programs are beginning to come together & show promise for GP & nationals. He's a contender!
     
  25. kuzytalent

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    Did Josh get 2 grand prix assignments this season. I am having trouble opening the ISU grand prix assignments reader.
     
  26. Impromptu

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    He's got two
     
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  27. kuzytalent

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    Thanks. Who does he have in his events. I was hoping he could make the Grand Prix final this year. Is that realistic.
     
  28. misskarne

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    Josh's two events are Skate Canada and Cup of Russia. I don't know that him making the GPF is a particularly realistic prospect at this stage. At Skate Canada he has to contend with Chan, Oda (I think?), as well as Abbott and Miner, and other strong skaters. At CoR, he has to deal with not only Chan, but Kovtun, Gachinski and of course, Plushenko. Given that to qualify for GPF you usually need to finish no lower than second twice...I love Josh but I don't think this year's GPF is for him.
     
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