Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by missing, Sep 23, 2012.
The federation is demanding "cast-iron" guarantees of their safety.
I actually thought about how this unrest might affect the Japanese skaters. Hopefully things will have calmed down by November. A few years back there was a similar situation with anti-Japanese protests in China (over how World War II was reflected in Japanese school books, I think). The Japanese skaters competed at Cup of China and felt that they were very welcomed by the audience. The fans luckily are not drawn into this politicial controversy.
It would be really sad if the skaters had to withdraw because of security fears. They probably would not be reassigned to other GP events.
Some of the stories I heard were quite terrifying. While I am not as worried about how the Japanese skaters might be treated by fans, but I am quite worried about how they might be treated by others in the city, from airport to hotel.
By the same token, I wish the USFS would consider carefully about sending Nagasu.
^ I hope not, so much depth in Cup of China competition
Nagasu ? she is American
I doubt anyone would know she is Japanese or consider her one
as she was born and raised in the US
Well, Nagasu looks Japanese.
Side note: Lexus (of Toyota Motor Co.) is this year's title sponsor of Cup of China:
Excerpt from the Aug. 28, 2012 press release:
I share Marco's concern. Non-fans would just look at her last name and make assumptions about her nationality
But how would "non-fans" know or see Nagasu's name?
I assume the Chinese federation, through the government, would be able to provide all the necessary security for the Japanese skaters (Tatsuki Machida and Takahashi/Tran are also scheduled to compete) if they decide to make it a priority.
If I remember correctly, Nagasu has dual citizenships.
IDs, credit cards, newspaper articles about the event? For casual viewers, skating videos or perhaps TV coverage?
Anyway, I really don't know the answer to the question. But I do know some don't distinguish strongly between Chinese/Japanese and Chinese/Japanese Americans
In the worse case scenario, I hope that the ISU steps up and reassign the Japanese skaters to other GP. You can have a competition with 12 skaters instead of 10...just like not so long ago.
I think Japan does not allow dual citizenship.
my thoughts exactly, If I remember by the time he/she turns to 21
he/se needs to choose the citizenship and will have to give up the other
if he/she wants to be a japanese citizen
Japan has one the hardest citizenship procedures in the whole world
They do for children up to a certain age. You have to decide at the age of 20 or 22 (different sources say different ages...). The Shibutani's also have dual citizenship under this law.
ETA: Man, someone beat me to it while I was posting.
The protests in China were directed against Japanese shops, restaurants, embassy etc, not necessarily against individuals. I don't think that a mob would gather and attack skaters. I also don't think that protesters would gather in front of the ice rink (which is out of town anyway) or buy tickets to get into the rink and protest there. There was speculation on how some of the protests were arranged behind the scenes by authorities, at least they were tolerated. The Cup of China is not a "Japanese" event, Japanese athletes are just taking part alongside skaters from many other countries. So the competition does not seem like a target for anti-Japanese protests, if orchestrated or not.
Stupid politics, anyway. They just should divide those islands between them.
I think if the skaters and the JSF is worried about the safety in China, it is very understandable for them to skip the competition. How can anyone 'guarantee' safety? There are a lot of crazy people in the world.
Pretty sad stuff.
Isn't sport supposed to have us all put our politics aside and just enjoy the competition of athlete vs. athlete? I know, I am being very Pollyanna.
Since both countries have already withdrawn from each other's events in other sports (badmitton, cycling), this could be more than just an "idle threat" on the part of the federations.
They did not pay attention to the islands until someone reported that there is a huge oil field sleeping under the sea nearby. Sigh...
Yes, I know. That's why I said they should divide the islands (and the oil).
This is the official Japanese government stance regarding China's claim to the islands. They are a part of Okinawa Prefecture which was under US administration after WW2 until 1972 when it was returned to Japan.
China shouldn't have any more claim on these islands than it does on Taiwan (which actually has more of a valid claim on the territory than China does ).
Anyway, I'm sure it will all have calmed down by November.
There really was no reason for China to have pulled their athletes out of the event in Japan. As for the Japanese cycling team, they were actually expelled from the event, i.e., they were not allowed to compete by the Chinese organizing committee.
sad ... because I bought my tickets (and was looking forward to giving you all a "no-teknik" report" from me) ...
I wanted to see Miki Ando and Mao Asada ...
They will be fine as long as they are in the rink.
To ensure their safety outside the rink, they should pretend to be Koreans just like most of Japanese expats do in the mainland these days.
Much ado about nothing, no one outside of skating knows who the Japanese skaters are, and those who know, like their skating.
If they don't wanna skate, let them pull out. Sounds to me like some skaters want to sit on their butts munching chips instead of competing. I hope they're not reassigned to another GP. Less competition for the other skaters to get into the Grand Prix Final.
Who says it's the skaters' choice? If their federation tells them to stay home, that's what they'll have to do.
That said, I don't think it would be fair to move them to other GPs, either; it would make CoC easier than the other events by some way while other events could end up much more difficult. So long as there is good security in place, I don't see why any changes should be made. Lots of sporting events have taken place in situations in which there are tensions and hostilities, with no problematic consequences for anyone.
Or, you know, maybe the fact that Japanese are being ATTACKED in China means they're feeling a bit unsafe about going?
But no, of course they really want to have a secret chip-fest and sit on their couches all day.
misskarne, can you please give me a source for "the fact Japanese are being ATTACKED in China"? As in individual Japanese? I haven't heard any reports, or seen any reports either in international or local media of individuals being ATTACKED. I saw several protests first hand, and none of them had anyone attacking any individuals - and Beijing had the largest (and by all reports, most significant and harsh) protests by far.
The protests have also ended.
Japan and China go back and forth annoying each like this every now and then, it's politics and history. But I didn't hear, see or read of any individuals being attacked.
Some diplomat's car was vandalized and storefronts were smashed up - business as usual in the high tension Asian regions. People are acting as if it's a warzone akin to Syria or the Gaza strip. Drama dram drama.
Didn't Miki Ando already say she only signed up for the GPs because of her contract? She's probably delighted that the Japense Feds are threatening a boycott. Then she really gets to sit home and not bother with skating.
at both comments.
The Gaza strip should be far safer than Syria at the moment. OTOH, I don't believe that there is a rink available. As for the rest of the comment, give me a break. I don't know about Miki, but I have no doubt that Dai, Mao and TakaTran would love to compete at both their GP assignments and get to do a test run in Sochi.
The US skaters made it through the JGP in Turkey, I am sure the Japanese skaters will also be treated with the respect they so deserve. It is about Governments not the people.
I wonder if Toyota still has the plan to sponsor Cup of China. I saw the picture of a Toyota building in China burned by angry Chinese protesters, so I guess the new name of the competition, Toyota Lexus cup, may cause more trouble.
You are right. Japanese are safe, at least so far. But a Chinese man who drove his Japanese car was nearly killed by the demonstrators. So sad they both were Chinese.
If such a news was reported in Japan, they must have been afraid. I'm not surprised.
I found. It was reported already.
Hmm, it's very strange to me.
If JSF wanted Japanese skaters' safety, why not send official documents directly to Chinese Skating Association or the Chinese organizer after the meeting instead of having an interview with reporters? I mean what they're insisting was what JSF ought to do and 100% correct *without a doubt*, but it's not the very way from my point of view. (I'm sorry, in advance, if they already did that but were flatly refused. I couldn't find it in the article.)
Anyway, hope every single skaters will be okay from the political crisis.
BTW, where exactly CoC is being held in Shanghai? If it's the Oriental Sports Center, that would be the best place for the safety! Far from main towns, No crowds except skating fan, Nothing but the building around and Lots of security check points & guards!
I'm afraid you've got a wrong analogy. Turkey happens to be one of the strongest U.S. allies in the World even though it is an islamic nation.
I hope that the Japanese skaters are able to compete and there are no incidents at COC.
I didn't know that Toyota was the sponsor of the event, and I wonder if the Toyota name will make the competition more likely to be a target of political controversy in the current climate. Hopefully not.
It also makes me wonder whether the Chinese federation is having trouble attracting sponsors. I can understand the appeal for Toyota, though--maybe they were so interested in being in the Chinese market that they outbid all other offers.
I agree that's not the best example. But Israeli teams have managed to play in Turkey despite the current tensions between the two countries, and Israeli tennis player Shahar Peer has competed in Dubai and Qatar. This kind of thing is obviously more work for the event security, but it doesn't mean that it's not feasible.
Reading through this thread, one gets the impression that there is going to be impending big trouble, death and disaster in the forthcoming COC. It's a long time since poor Nancy's knees were knocked. Maybe this drama may be good for figure skating.
Perhaps next Olympics might get dubbed as the "battle for Senkaku/Daowidao", a la "battle of Carmens" circa 1988.
A Chinese man was beaten almost to death just because he owned a Toyota. I wouldn't be surprised if mobs target the event because it's called Lexus Cup. The question is if the authority will try to control them or not. They need to let the citizens "vent" once in awhile, or they will attack the authority.
Japanese skaters will avoid CoC from next year, and fewer Japanese fans will travel to see the event. Japanese citizens don't need visa to enter the country, so Japanese fans have been good customers for the Chinese federation. But no more. The federation will have difficulties to attract Japanese sponsors, too.
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