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The irrepressible, exasperating Mirai Nagasu, part II

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by modern_muslimah, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    Mirai looked AMAZING in practice and next to Rachael Flatt she is a paragon of fitness but her arms and back are a bit softer than say, Ashley's or Agnes'. That doesn't mean she was unfit the way Rachael was. Mirai looked good but not as great as these two.

    Also, in practice I haven't seen her miss or even near miss one thing. She was solid as a rock. The sureness with which she landed her jumps every time was remarkable, which made me think she is prepared. However, there was the same blank expression in practice as she had during performances.

    It's interesting that you note I agree with some of the content in Yazmeen's post (not indicating which, btw) but not with yours. :p
     
  2. winterone

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    I don't agree with the fact Mirai gets a pass. Both of these skaters should be prepared to take the heat of being in the hot white lights. Mirai was very average at nationals. Rachel was as well. Rachel if most definately focusing on school based on her physique.
     
  3. agalisgv

    agalisgv Well-Known Member

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    Ironically, earlier in this thread people were complaining how harsh some were being towards Mirai.

    That said, I have to agree with mysticchic that there's a world of difference between the critiques so far directed towards Mirai, and those that have been leveled against Flatt for quite awhile now. There's been a viciousness on the part of some towards Flatt that has few counterparts. I would hope that wouldn't happen with Mirai because that really shouldn't be happening to anyone whose primary fault is not finishing as well as some would hope.

    And in full disclosure I thought Flatt deserved the sanction she received. But I think virtually everyone on this board knows that the venom directed towards Flatt for the past while now really has nothing to do with that, and is really quite ugly and inexcusable.
     
  4. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    I can't think of an elite skater about whom harsh comments (and that's putting it mildly) haven't been made here on FSU.
     
  5. ballettmaus

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    Reading that, especially how solid she was in practice makes me automatically think of Sasha.
    Very much like Mirai, Sasha breezed onto the scene in 2002, placed 4th in the Olympics and struggled afterwards in a similar pattern - she looked good in practices but in interviews was talking about how she liked to do this and that and it was rarely about skating anymore (very simply put, of course).
    Sasha probably held it together better than Mirai since she was on several world teams afterwards and always placed among the top, still I can't help to notice similarities and neither seemed to live up to their potential after doing exceptionally and unexpectedly well at the Olympics.

    Maybe this "early out" will make Mirai think about what she really wants. She may say she prefers to go to the beach rather than train, the question is why. Is it laziness or something else? Maybe she doesn't know where she's going with skating anymore?!
    Whatever it is, I hope she figures it out and I hope she'll be back skating and skating everyone else into the ground because she's a great skater!
     
  6. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    I really don't know what's going on with Mirai. It does seem that for one reason or another she is not exactly in a good place. Hope that changes.
     
  7. iarispiralllyof

    iarispiralllyof Active Member

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    sasha was more inconsistent than mirai..
     
  8. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

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    :lol: that's hilarious!
     
  9. RD

    RD Well-Known Member

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    hmm, I dunno about that. Especially not after this season!
     
  10. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

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    May I have some of what you are smoking?? :lol: :lol:
     
  11. iarispiralllyof

    iarispiralllyof Active Member

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    my point was that everyone knows sasha has never had 2 clean programs in a row (outside of a cheesefest).

    mirai has
     
  12. UGG

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    Sasha placed no lower than 4th at all of her international events from 2002-2006. Also, her programs were always beautiful to watch even with the mistakes. I cannot think of one time where she looked bored. Nervous..yes. Bored...no. She also made the world team 5 out of the 6 nationals she competed in. Mirai has been eligible for the world team for the past 4 years and has only made it once. I really don't see anything similar about them in that regard at all.
     
  13. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    I agree. While Sasha could never skate clean programs at least a clean LP when it mattered she usually was engaged with the audience and the music when she skated. She never looked bored or skated like a zombie which is how Mirai looks sometimes. And not just this year either she was skating like that also last season too. Sasha actually mad her her programs come to life while Mirai just skates with a blank look on her face.
     
  14. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

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    :eek: she has !?!
     
  15. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    Sasha never skated with a deadpan expression like Mirai does. She sold her programs and fought through at all times, even when she messed up. She never gave up, hence Olympic Silver and an impressive haul of medals in general.
     
  16. AxelAnnie

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    That may be true as to landing jumps...but I don't think the two are comparable. Maraii
    Just seems like she is marking the program...or that she is in a dress rehearsal. Sasha makes mistakes...but she always drew you in with her intensity and fire. Not Marai. She has more presence on the ice than anyone.....when she chooses to. She is out there like she doesn't care.
     
  17. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    Mirai. But yes, watching her in practice I thought to myself that may be she is saving the performance for the actual skate. Wrong. :(

    Alissa, OTOH, performed the hell out of her SP during the Tuesday practice. It was brilliant, brought us out of our bleacher seats. I wish she didn't leave that gorgeous skate on the practice ice. :(
     
  18. iarispiralllyof

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    i wasn't in any way saying mirai was a superior skater. sasha is a legend

    but they were both headcases and in sasha's case it almost became comical that she didn't skate 2 clean programs in a row. it's like WTF?!?!? many people are conjecturing that mirai has lost her passion for the sport and that's why she's doing poorly. with sasha it was clear she wanted it so bad, so what was the problem? in one article she said she got tired..but in many lp peformances she ends them quite strongly despite falling so i'm not sure it was a stamina/strength issue
     
  19. Nomad

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    I think Nagasu just never got into either program and was so uncomfortable with the characters she was supposed to portray/emotions she was supposed to project that she just froze and went through the motions. I hope that next season she and her team come up with programs she actually likes and will want to perform.
     
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  20. jenny12

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    Sasha was inconsistent, but I've never seen her skate like her heart was not in it, which, I think, Mirai came off as this nationals. I don't even know if Sasha was more inconsistent than Mirai when it came to jumps since Mirai unfortunately has had a lot of problems with underrotations, two-foot, etc.
     
  21. fenway2

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    Midori Ito. :lol: I've never read one negative thing about her on here. People have even claimed that her leg wrap was beautiful. :lol:

    Getting back to Mirai, am I the only one who thought she looked super aggressive on her first few jumps? They were really big too! Then she made her first error and... :shuffle:

    As IceAlisa and others have has said, she looked great in practice so I don't lack of training/motivation was the problem. I just don't think she has the fight in her. Too bad she doesn't have Rachael's fight/competitive spirit, or too bad Rachael doesn't have Mirai's talent.
     
  22. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    Isn't she the one who fell into the stands on a jump?
    Word.
     
  23. berthesghost

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    Sasha was one of the most consistent skaters of her time, surpassed only by kwan. In 5 trips to worlds she finished 4th, 4th, 2nd, 2nd and 3rd. In 3 straight podium finishes, she was with completely different women each time, people who would be 3rd one year and 12th the next, 9th one year and 1st the next, 1st one year and 9th the next, etc... Please, most skaters are praying that god strike them down with cohen's "inconsistent" results. :lol:
     
  24. Nomad

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    yes. I think it was the 1991 World's. And she got right back onto the ice and finished her program. Afterwards she skated back and apologized to the cameraman whose camera she'd crashed into, IIRC.

    ETA:Here's the link Midori Ito SP
     
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  25. iarispiralllyof

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    i'm not talking about placements here, which is relative to the competition. i'm talking about skating to your maximum potential. you cannot call sasha cohen one of the most consistent skaters in the sport's history when she never skated 2 clean programs in a row. some chick might consistently have clean programs but only with salchows and toe loops and thus only land in 14th place. joannie rochette could've landed 7 clean triples at the olympics but still would've been 2nd behind yu-na kim's performances.

    sasha's strong placements were in SPITE of her inconsistencies in jumping (due to her strong spins and spirals)

    and the problem with comparing mirai and sasha is they're not from the same era, so there are different standards. it also depends on how you define a "clean" program. for me, i can forgive slight underrotations and flutzes, since to a casual viewer they're unnoticeable and don't ruin the flow of the program...but others understandably won't
     
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  26. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    YOU are the one who compared them. Perhaps you should have thought of the above first.

    And this too.
     
  27. iarispiralllyof

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    actually, I wasn't the first to draw the comparison.
    but since others did (and unfavorably at that), I responded by pointing out that by my standards mirai was at least able to put together 2 clean programs
     
  28. iarispiralllyof

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    ...that was a response to someone comparing them
     
  29. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado

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    Really? Then what were you doing here?

     
  30. iarispiralllyof

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    What I meant to say was that I wasn't the first one to bring them out to compare, but since someone else did, I pointed out the obvious.