The infamous "hooker on crack" program

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  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    It's nothing to do with sentimental value.

    She was an incredibly powerful and talented skater with fantastic jumps who could have won many European, World and Olympic medals if she did her 100% in competition. But that never happened. :(

    She also had some creative, sophisticated and commendable music choices and choreography. Outside of the box and not the usual overused stuff or cheesy tinkly piano crap.

    It's a shame that her and Rechnio could never hold it together enough between two programs to ever make a podium at the major events. :(
  2. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    Do you think that a part of why she went the obscure, "creative" route was because if she wouldn't have done it, then there was no way she really would have stood out? Yes, she was fast, and her jumps (when done) were nice. But she was hardly consistent, and it's not as if her lines or skating skills would have put her over the edge. It seems sort of strategic in some aspect.
  3. all_empty

    all_empty Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this ... to a point.

    She stood to make a lot of money as a seeded skater in a post-Olympic year, yet she chose to march to the (kooky percussion) beat of a different drummer.

    I love this "mainstream" program of hers (her speed going into the 3T+3T is amazing):

    http://youtu.be/2sVv91F7-Jg

    She had speed, good jumps, decent spins and spirals ... when she cared about them.
  4. TheIronLady

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    Isn't she kind of just going up and down the ice? With the 5.4-5.6s for presentation, the judges must have been pulling for her.
  5. TheIronLady

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    Yeah, it also seems like the French all go in that direction--they all for a time used Maxime Rodriguez--so it isn't like she would have had a lot of other influences. I don't think she was original at all in the context of French skating.
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  6. TheIronLady

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    Who does or did "tinkly piano crap"?
  7. Loves_Shizuka

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    So are you saying that only multiple medalists and champions are deserving of threads on here? We can talk about who we want. You don't get her skating - fine - but some do.

    Maybe she did go down the "voidy" route to hide her weaknesses, but so what - what a creative way to get her skating noticed. It's not a crime. Or maybe, just maybe, that was just her style and personality?! :eek:

    Hubert was never going to be the best in the world, but I appreciated her for what she was. I apologise if I am wrong for this :lol:
  8. TheIronLady

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    You are not wrong for defending the right to post about her. Everyone I hope agrees with that, and I agree this prostitute program is unusual. Perhaps I would like Hubert if she wasn't so sloppy on her landings. I think it's good to hear honest reactions to her programs. When I watch her what I feel is boredom.
  9. Aussie Willy

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    98 Worlds was the only World championships I have been to and Hubert did stand out for me. I agree about her speed, although I think Rechnio was the one that blew everyone away with her speed. But I certainly remember seeing Hubert doing a 3lz-3t in practise which was amazing.

    I have a soft spot for Hubert. She may not have been the most sophisticated or polished skater but there was something really interesting about her. Always loved her music choices, particularly Dead Can Dance FS. And her SP from 95 Worlds was the first time I saw her which she skated to the Tango from Cirque du Solei.
  10. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry, we'll keep posting things about the finer points in her programs and turn you into an Hubert uber before long. ;)
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  11. alchemy void

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    Re: Hubert's voidiness. I think it was partly strategic. Towards the end of her career (2002), she, just like Gusmeroli, went with much more conventional programs. And her results plunged at SLC even with a four triple freeskate (and a 3lutz-3toe).

    For me, Hubert was a great power skater with amazing speed, huge (out of control) jumps, and very interesting programs. I think her 97-98 programs were her best ever: very interesting, voidy, yet still accessible enough for the judges. Hooker on Crack is legendary but definitely a step down in content compared to her Dead Can Dance (or even 96-97 Big Band LP).

    ITA with Ziggy, I wish she could have medalled once at Worlds (hell,even Euros!). She was so close in 92 and especially 98! (Damn you, Butyrskaya!)
  12. Ziggy

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    90% of ladiezzz throughout skating history? :p

    And one can never forget the 'special' performance of it in Nagano, where she skated looking like she had severe gastritis, walking through all of her jumps. I have never seen anything like that before or since. :D
  13. Louis

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    In both cases, the old majority ordinal system did her in. Using the OBO method adopted from fall of 1998 onward, Hubert would've medalled in both 1992 and 1998. (In '98 because Butyrskaya would have been knocked to 7th in the short.)
  14. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Exactly, does it really matter why? She went for that style, and people liked it, and now they talk about it. Personally, I never got Hubert and never fell for her as I did other French skaters, but I can see why this particular program gets discussed in the way Markova's Let My People Go gets discussed.
  15. Tony Wheeler

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    To make things worse, I believe the final skater in both the SP and LP at 1992 Worlds (Harding was last in the SP, I forget about LP-- maybe Tonya again?) caused a huge ordinal shift and caused Laetitia to move down in the short and Chen up in the long.
  16. VIETgrlTerifa

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    When I think of "twinkly piano crap," the first skater that comes to mind is Maria Butyrskaya and then Johnny Weir. Of course, I actually enjoy their twinkly piano routines.
  17. Ziggy

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    You are right but Butyrskaya took it to another level. Nobody did elegant, feminine, passionate skating like her. She was the real diva.
  18. TheIronLady

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    She also skated to music that wasn't intended to make you smile and feel like you are in a Walt Disney musical or at church listening to harps. It was brilliant the sophistication of the artistry in her programs. I admit, I didn't realize how sensual and original she was at expressing feeling until Scene D'Amour. Seventeen Moments of Spring is my personal favorite.
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  19. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I miss her. :(
  20. TheIronLady

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    I think many of us do! I miss all women from that era, except Fumie. We can't miss Fumie because she is still here.
  21. skatak

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    sighh, I won't even start to answer here, I'll just say thanks to (most of) you for bringing back good ol' memories !
  22. Triple Axel

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    I have to confess that I have NEVER seen this program!! but that I definitely will be checking it out!! Now, if I could just find a place to lay down the crack pipe...:40beers:
  23. ks1227

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    Aww, I can't believe that somehow I missed an entire Laetitia Hubert thread! I miss her skating so much, for most of the 90s she was one of my favorite skaters! Loved the speed, loved the power, loved the drama, and her flaws only made her more endearing to me! :lol:

    One thing I will add, which wasn't mentioned very much in this thread, is that Hubert had a number of serious injuries during her career. I remember that she missed at least one entire season because of injury, maybe more? Yes, she was unpredictable even when she was in top shape; but the injuries added to the fact that she never lived up to her potential IMO.
  24. N_Halifax

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    Laetitia is one of my all time favourites for doing programs that were completely DIFFERENT, creative and being an amazing athlete at the same time. An underrated program and skater if there ever was one!
  25. all_empty

    all_empty Well-Known Member

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  26. museksk8r

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    Funny you bring up '98 Nagano, I was just watching the Ladies 1998 Olympic LP youtube videos from that uploader and had a chance to view the Group 2 Warm-Up for the first time. I didn't know that Nicole Bobek was landing all of her jumps in warm-up, including the 3flutz, the 3flip, the 3loop, only to manage landing the 3loop and 1 2Axel in the actual program. Knowing that now only makes my frustration over her skating at the Olympics even greater. So :confused:.