Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Icetalavista, Feb 12, 2012.
rfisher approves the addition of Ajax into the proper Hunger Games collective.
As I said in the other book thread, I enjoyed all three. One and two were better than three, but three had its strong points IMO. I enjoyed the reality of Mockingjay--the fact that Katniss is a complete and utter emotional wreck for the duration of the book. I mentioned before that had she stayed the same through all three books, I'd have been really disappointed. When people experience trauma, it changes them. So I thought the author did a good job of conveying that.
I do agree that Prim was a rather undeveloped character IMO,
so when she dies randomly at the end, I had a more "Oh, that sucks" reaction rather than a "OH. MY. GOD!! Rowling just killed Dobby/Fred/Dumbledore/Sirius! ALL IS LOST!!"
I do agree that the ending seemed rather rushed and disjointed, so that was a slight let down, but not enough to ruin it for me.
I liked that the book had some romance but it wasn't the central theme of the book. Like someone said, Katniss is kinda like, "Yeah I guess they both love me and I guess I love them but I'll worry about that later." I thought the twist in book three with Peeta was very interesting. I have to say from the first story about the burnt bread, I was rooting for him. I get the relationship with Gale, but IMO it wasn't as strong b/c their relationship didn't get as much "screen time" as the Katniss/Peeta relationship b/c Gale wasn't there throughout most of it.
And in the end, Peeta was what Katniss needed to balance her out so I'm happy with them ending up together, though I do think the way the Katniss/Gale storyline ended was a bit of a cop out. It made it so Katniss didn't have to choose; the choice was made for her.
Anyhoo, I enjoyed the books quite a bit. I read Hunger Games in about four days, Catching Fire in three days and Mockingjay in about a day b/c it was Saturday and I didn't have to go to work . I find that I zoooom! through first-person books. There's less setup in a first-person book versus a third-person book, so they just go a lot faster to me. I read all four Twilight books in a week too...I'm not proud of that.
I've heard of Battle Royale...but I think I might have thought it was a video game or something. I don't know of the books so I don't know how close the similarities are, but I will say this: it's very difficult to find an original idea nowadays that hasn't been thought of, done, redone or revamped. It's all about taking something and making it your own. You take pieces of things and put it together to try to make something new or at least newer. I might check out BR just so I can make comparisons.
The Hunger Games books were cool, mostly because they're so outside of the kind of YA I usually read. The movie looks pretty cool so I might check that out too...unless it comes with a horde of screaming girls, in which case I'll Redbox it when it comes out. But given that there aren't any sappy sparklepires or neutered wolves, my hope is that Hunger Games will attract a less fan-girly crowd.
BTW, I haven't read Battle Royale either, but I did find some some similarities with two Stephen King novellas/stories, namely The Running Man and The Long Walk. But regardless, I'm not going to get too caught up in whether or not The Hunger Games is "original." After all, who was it that said there are basically only 5 book/movie plots?
I always thought the point of this was less that
we were supposed to feel sad about Prim herself and more that the effect was supposed to be in what happened to Katniss. Katniss did all of this, went into the arena, played along with the capitol, went into the arena again, ignited a revolution, etc. etc. etc. to save Prim. And in the end, the whole world changed but she still lost Prim. So it's sort of about the futility of it all, rather than about Prim herself.
Either that or Collins thought she should kill somebody to add drama.
I prefer TG's explanation
She'd already killed somebodies. That we actually did care about.
In the first paragraph of the first page of the first book, Katniss reaches out for Prim and her hand comes away empty. If that isn't foreshadowing; I don't know what is.
... I never thought about it that way. Obviously I am long past my years of thinking about books critically!
LOTS of somebodies!
The thing is,
Prim had been absent from the book for so long at that point, and it was handled in such a clumsy manner (my sister didn't even realize Prim was dead until it was mentioned later) that it lost any impact it might've had otherwise. That's why it feels just sort of "tossed in." Oh, hey, I need something DRAMATIK to happen here! Let's kill Prim! And then Katniss can pass out again!
I read the books as they came out, so I have zero recollection of what was on the first page of the first book. I would buy it as foreshadowing if I thought Collins had any clue how Mockingjay was going to end. Or be "plotted."
This. I promptly gave all my copies to the local library, albeit the 3rd book was bit battered after being thrown around a good bit, so the movie will be brand new. I knew without a doubt I'd never reread any of the books multiple times.
You know, that's the same thing my cousin said when I asked her about it.
She did it all for Prim, to protect her, and in the end she ends up losing her anyway.
I definitely get the point
of her death.
I guess the execution was a wee bit sloppy b/c it did sort of happen all of a sudden and just like that everything was over.
Yeah, now that did suck. For that one I was like, "No! No, no, aww dammit!!"
Yep, I'm thinking I probably will.
I've finished it. Not a bad book, but not one I'm going to pick up a read again like I have the HP books.
I'd never heard of Battle Royale until this thread, and I think there's a good chance Suzanne Collins hadn't either. I don't think a dystopian society in the future where kids are forced to kill other kids is all that original. But then, I don't care that much about originality; I care about execution. Harry Potter was not that original in its main idea--boy discovers he's a wizard and goes off to wizard school.
Suzanne Collins--epic FAIL in execution. And the worst of the kills was the
complete character asassination of Katniss, who went from an awesome, take-charge adult to a whiny, easily led shell of an adult.
Again, I cite trauma. Some characters grow harder through adversity, toughen up so to speak; Katniss comes apart at the seams a little bit but still has enough fight left in her to finish it out. She's not as tough at the end b/c her life experiences have worn her down. I get that. Even though I would have liked her to go all Ripley and turn into an ass-kicking machine, it makes sense to me. I definitely have a thing for tougher female character and, in a sense, Katniss does "man up" and make some things happen. But ultimately, her psyche wasn't strong enough to go unscathed after all she went through.
I just compare her to a character like Bella and can't help but think that in terms of development Katniss is lightyears beyond Bella, who literally stayed the exact same throughout all 4 of those terrible books...no growth whatsoever. I appreciate Collins trying to inject a bit of reality into the series by breaking Katniss in the last book, even though in the ideal situation she'd be all superwoman-ish. She could have gone either way to be honest...in situations of adversity people either stand tough or crumble and Katniss crumbled a bit.
So, has anyone read "The Hunger Pains"?
I borrowed it from the library and it's fairly amusing.
Who is planning to see the film when it opens? I already bought a ticket.
I bought my ticket yesterday on Fandango, and got a free iTunes download of Tomorrow Will Be Kinder by the Secret Sisters for my troubles. A whole group of us are going to the midnight showing in IMAX at our local AMC...egad, were the tickets expensive, but thank goodness for saving up ticket deals and discounts for times like this.
I saw The Hunger Pains at Target today and I flipped through it and was highly amused from just a few paragraphs. I went ahead and put it on hold at the library; it should be a fun read!
I wish I could figure out how to unsubscribe from the Hunger Games site I signed up at. I got put into District 8, btw. I keep getting email from President Snow, and now that the movie is about to open, I am getting messages from Seneca Crane as well. Oh, well, he will be dead soon.
There's probably something to click on at the bottom of the e-mails that allows you to unsubscribe.
I have only read the 1st book so far and am looking forward to seeing the movie & reading the 2nd book.
My curiosity is really piqued about Battle Royale after reading the comments here. My Netflix streaming option doesn't have it (among other movies I had looked for ). Going to have to see if I can rent it somewhere.
I most definitely do side with you and PL
Catching Fire was great. I loved it. Mockingjay on the other hand. Ridiculous.
The Hunger Games was a great, entertaining read. I think it is going to be an even better movie.
Catching Fire was a decent sequel. Mockingjay, on the other hand...has anyone else seen the Monty Python episode Bicycle Tour? There is a scene where they are in front of a firing squad, counting down to fire, and then it cuts to 30 minutes later, and they are continuing their tour, with no explanation of how they escaped. That is how Mockingjay was. Even in the Hunger Games, Collins dealt with the set-up to the climax better than she did the climax itself, and by the time she wrote Mockingjay I think she'd just given up.
I read it all in about 4 days, but it won't be a book like Ender's Game, that I return to and reread every few years.
That's a coincidence; I only just found out about the planned movie version of Ender's Game today, and I'm super excited, especially with the great cast. I just wish I had my copy don here so I could delve into it again.
I'm interested to see how it turns out, but not excited about the Ender's Game movie. The cast looks great but almost all the things that happen in the book require you to be inside Ender's head, with his insight into his motives and I just can't imagine how difficult the screenplay would be to write and do the story justice.
Hunger Games on the other hand, seems tailor made for the big screen. Katniss is completely moved by external events, and the only conflict of her inner voice is which boy she cares for, and that won't be difficult to portray.
The sets of Enders Game should be quite boring except for the battle room, and Hunger Games should be amazing.
I just finished the 3rd book. I enjoyed the first 2 much more than the last. They kept my interest but I mostly finished the last book just for the sake of finishing the series. I am looking forward to the movie though.
Wheee, I have my ticket for the movie! 12:20 AM I'm excited!
Nice! I have a ticket for 12:01! Can't wait!
Are you going to the iMax showing at Rave Cinemas? I plan on buying tickets this week (that showing hasn't sold out yet), and if you are we might have to meet up for a bit
I'm going to Quality 16. Unfortunately the IMAX is kind of a migraine trigger for me. But we should meet up some time before I'm done with school in April.
I thought this New York Times article was an interesting read the other day (includes a video): How ‘Hunger Games’ Built Up Must-See Fever
I was in Chapters on Saturday and it seemed like every available square centimetre of wall space was taken up with some kind of movie-tie-in version of the book or related merch. I'm a fan of the book, and looking forward to the movie (tho not in the 1st few days, and definitely not in Imax!) ... but I abhor that kind of mega-marketing. For anything.
Almost enough to make me ... almost, but not quite!
Anyway, those of you who will be going on the opening night, enjoy. I'll follow along at my own middle-aged pace.
It was filmed here in Charlotte and surrounding areas. Looking forward to seeing this.
I'm going to see the Hunger Games this Sat at 11pm at an IMAX theater. Just saw that Battle Royale is playing at an arthouse theatre on Fridays this month ... maybe I'll go on the 23rd to prepare for the Big! American! Version!
All this talk about Hunger Games makes me want to read it. If I do will I regret it like after I read Twlight (I wanted to poke my eyes out after reading that book).
I also see that the Battle Royale "Collection" is being released on DVD/BluRay on Thursday. I can't do subtitles on the big screen -- aside from the visual distance between the text and the action, I need to have the option to rewind if I miss anything.
No. You might be disappointed by the third book, but The Hunger Games is a fast, easy, entertaining read. I couldn't read more than a page of Twilight.
Twilight is revoltingly terrible.
The Hunger Games has some grammatical issues, and some plot issues as well, but there's no comparison to the utter piece of tripe that is Twilight. It's way more mature and significantly better-paced. Not to mention that Katniss is a great heroine and Bella is possibly the worst heroine I have ever encountered.
I haven't really met anyone who hated THG the way so many people hate Twilight.
I have objections to how the story ended, but Suzanne Collins overall is a MUCH better writer than Stephenie Meyers. She also soundly trounces Meyers in the creating a believable unbelievable world.
IIRC, they do have one thing in common--both writers originally intended for their books to be duets, and were encouraged (in Meyer's case, I believe the correct verb would be 'strong-armed') by their publishers to string the story out.
Really? That surprises me because of Collins' background as a playwright or screenplay-writer, can't remember which. What I do remember is that she carefully plans her story out over 3 Acts, with 9 chapters each for 27 chapters, so I'm a little baffled to hear that she let a company encourage her into stringing out the story longer than she intended. Though, I can see how the second two books would have been better if they'd been shorter and combined. Did they make her add Gale, too, or was that her idea? I still think Gale's a completely unnecessary character.
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