Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Icetalavista, Feb 12, 2012.
I have actually read all three books.
^ The "you" in my post wasn't directed specifically at you ... it was just less pretentious sounding than saying "if one hasn't the books ..."
....The National Geographic channel just ran a commercial for the National Geography Bee finals, and ended it with "May the geographic odds be ever in your favor."
I get it, kind of, twelve kids are chosen, only one can win, but...yeah.
I have bought most of the china glaze line for the Hunger Games. I looooooooove them
So I FINALLY finished the entire series. I knew it would take me less than a day to finish Mockingjay once I opened it but it took me over a year just to get to that point. I started the book the about 2:00 pm on Wednesday and was done by the same time on Thursday.
Why is this book so hated? I expected to be hating myself for even reading it based on what some people have said.
Is it because she ends up with Peeta?
Is it because she doesn't get to kill President Snow herself?
Is it because she originally voted for another Hunger Games
The last one actually bothered me...a LOT...and it was just kind of ignored which bothered me too but not enough to ruin the book.
Or is it something else?
Nevermind, I went through this very thread and read a lot of the spoiler tags that I avoided before. I wish I had not read them because honestly, the book sucks and now I realize it.
For me a lot of stuff in that last book don't make much logical sense. I'm not gonna bother restating exactly why i do not like the book much, instead i would rather others read it and come to their own conclusions. But I will say that the epilogue is the very best part of the book. IMVHO
I didn't hate the last book, though I read it at the speed of light the first time. But it did feel hastily written and kind of spitballed together - if you look closely, it gets worse. The second book was so well done (I am a sucker and did NOT see the tribute twist coming), I thought the wrap up was going to be spectacular.
What bothered me the most was how Katniss kept getting knocked out and we never got to experience the actual action. Her PTSD didn't bother me because it was consistent with the experiences.
Probably because Mockingjay didn't have an actual Games in it to focus action around, it seemed to meander and lack focus. that's the main thing that bothered me. I should reread it to give it another chance.
Why torment yourself that way?
This was kind of my problem with the last book, too. There were a lot of things that were great and authentic about it, but I felt like it needed to be a less rushed toward the end. Maybe another 50 pages would have done the trick.
Finally watched the movie with my nephews this past Black Friday weekend--really enjoyed it, and think skaters should skate to the music. Got me interested in borrowing the books. Just finished the first book. Can I say I am utterly enthralled with Peeta? LOVE. HIM.
I'm sad that the last book apparently sucks. But I will read it. I have to start the second one now, although it's past midnight...
I didn't dislike it....
It didn't suck. It just wasn't perfect. It felt as though it had been rushed to publication to capture on the popularity, without giving the author time to fully iron out all the kinks. So not the ideal way to end the trilogy, but it wasn't terrible at all.
Now a lot of übers thought the very ending/epiloge did suck (think Team Peeta vs. Team Gale) ... but that's a whole 'nother issue.
I had heard that the author planned only two books but the publisher forced her into #3. So that'd be one reason Mockingjay wasn't as good or didn't "feel" right.
I've never heard that...since when do people turn down the opportunity to make twice as much money by splitting the books up? Unless you're Tolkien's publisher, of course. But that was a different circumstance.
I don't think it was a "splitting up the stories" deal, I think she meant to end it at the end of Catching Fire?
You are correct. It sucked a lot.
I was Team Neither, though I didn't like book Peeta (I like the movie character more), and I just thought the ending was ridiculous.
The ending was the only part of that book I did like. The rest of it sucked.
I'm astonished that there are still people who didn't listen to us. We told them the book sucked. A lot. And they just didn't listen. Sad. They must have all been students who didn't listen to their teachers either.
I didn't mind the third book at all, though the last 3 or 4 pages were terrible.
The third book has plot holes so big you could drive a whole fleet of buses though. Katniss for one thing spends most of the book unconscious, plus has a meeting sitting next one of the guys who killed her sister but does not even blink an eye. I found myself struggling to know what Katniss is thinking although the book is told from her perspective. Then here was her voting for a new hunger games. And that is just to begin with. The book is awful. Except for that ending of course.
About a quarter through the third book. These books are the type of literature that would make a great PBP thread if a lot of people read the books together.
And I love the prep team.
DONE. TEARS, people, TEARS!!! I am obsessed.
Now, will read this thread from the beginning to figure out why I'm such an idiot for liking the third book and I'm not minding the ending (but then, I didn't mind the ending of Harry Potter either).
I cried at the end. I thought it was wonderful how the end met the beginning by incorporating the scruffy cat and Primrose, when Petah planted the flowers. I loved Katniss's final reflection about how Gale had fire, and she too had enough of that, and therefore 'it was the dandelion in spring - the hope of a better tomorrow' (or something along that lines) that she wanted. And then the epilogue, with the children, not knowing that they played over a graveyard, in a world with no more hunger games. I cried some more. To me, the book made a profound statement on war and oppression. And on the (IMO) wise maxim that every revolutionary becomes a conservative the day after the revolution.
I liked it when the head gamemaker, on his flight back to District 12 with Katniss, points out that the time was the post-war time when people actually believe in peace for a little while. Then he suggested: but who knows, maybe this would be the time that it stuck and humanity actually evolved?
Read the entire thread. A lot of discussion regarding Katniss' vote for a new Hunger Games. Just before she casts her vote, she thinks about how the Hunger Games was invented 75 years ago--the same way HG 2.0 was being devised at that time?
Katniss then notices a rose on the table which reminds her of Snow's scent (like the twentieth millionth time--I have no desire of seeing that being captured on film). And then Katniss realizes that "Nothing has changed. Nothing will ever change now." So, this is where I think Katniss equates Coin with Snow (btw, I think Glenn Close would make a great Coin).
And then she says she votes "yes", pauses, and continues "for Prim." I don't think the vote for was for Prim at all, but rather Prim's name was used as a cover.
And then she waits for Haymitch's vote. While Katniss waits, she thinks "This is the moment, then. When we find out exactly just how much alike we are, and how much he truly understands me." To me, this suggests that Katniss understands her vote would be seen as out of character by some (like Peeta) but someone like Haymitch would understand why she voted the way she did.
So, in short, Katniss voted the way she did to still be in Coin's good graces so as to allow Katniss a time to kill Coin.
I thought that was quite obvious - though I did reread the sequence of events and words spoken to double-check that perception.