The Good Wife - Season Four

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  1. PeterG

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    The Good Wife returns tonight! :cheer2:

    Here's a sneak peak trailer I found on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LaJNaompI8

    And an episode summary from epguides.com/tvrage.com:

    Will's latest case – which could net the firm millions – hangs in the balance as Alicia navigates Louis Canning’s attempts to delay a deposition crucial to Will’s argument. Meanwhile, Will and Diane make a stand against Clarke, and an old foe complicates things for Eli.
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    (((Nathan Lane))) :fragile:
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    So Canning via some consortium he must own took over Lockhart Gardner's debt?! :D Love this.
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    Nathan was fabulous last night. And I floved Matt's acting as he gave up Clark's secret and went to the dark side of his bosses.

    Welcome back Wendy Scott Carr. I missed your smirk. Now I can't wait for Diane to find a way to cut you off at the knees.

    Hello, Mrs. Canning. Did you know your husband is a weasel? :D Looking forward to more of Michael J. Fox in the role.

    Speaking of Canning - he still has Martha working for him - guess she lucked out by losing the LG job? And I love touches like that in this show - they do it so well.

    Alicia and Kalinda in the hotel room. I guess the Kings are trying to make up for Nick and turn her into super Kalinda again? She shows up and magically discovers the secret of the banker? :wall:

    And finally, Alicia. Our old Alicia would have known the name of the court reporter or at least thought to ask. But, she also would have fallen for the 'dying friend' ploy or missed the appointment.
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    I'm willing to cut the show some slack with this one. Alicia's job is to work within the law and do her lawyer-y stuff. :D Plus how/why would she suspect the bank head was dealing with a serious disease? It was right up Kalinda's alley to look into anything and everything which is not specifically law-related...looking for the needles in the haystack if you will - which when found could be used to pop some balloons! :respec:

    I thought that was really interesting. "My name is Micah." It kind of made Alicia look bad. Maybe that was to show that Alicia was so focussed on the big task that she was unaware of other things around her? I'm wondering if this is showing that Alicia will become more tough (as well as sometimes insenstive?) in the future?
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    Michael J. Fox has his own sitcom coming up for next year, so I wonder how this story line with Canning owning the firm.
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  7. *Jen*

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    I imagine they'll somehow pay off the debt and he'll go back to appearing sporadically. I hope so, anyway - I want him to stay on!
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    Elsbeth! (Elspeth?) Great to see her!
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  9. professordeb

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    And I totally missed this episode. Le sigh ... drats!!!
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    CBS finally put their shows On Demand on tv which I like better than trying to catch it online. I think this episode reminds me of why I love it: Don't get me wrong--I love men but I love a show that features loads of strong female characters and "The Good Wife" has lots of them.
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    Love Elsbeth! (even if most of the Americans on the show have some weird, over-emphasized pronounciation of her name) And it looks like we'll be seeing more of her in the future if she takes on Eli as a client. That could be a whole lotta fun! :cheer:

    The expression on Eli's face when Alicia came out of the trailer ... priceless. (But Alicia and Peter now only have sex standing up? LOL)

    I don't mind the occassional Canning appearance, but I only like his character in small doses. So I really hope that particular storyline is over and done with very quickly.

    BTW, George! :cheer: (Yeah, I know his real name is TR Knight and his role on TGW is Jordan ... but he'll always be George to me.) They haven't done much with his character so far but I'm hoping there will be good things to come.

    The athletics tribunal was pretty funny. Seeing Will out of his element, Diane's French, the guys on the panel admiring Kalinda's, um, assets ... and of course it finally coming down to international rivalry (hmm, skating fans have no idea what that might be about!). All very entertaining.
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    Yes! A judge from a certain country accused of cheating: Where have we heard that before?!! ;)
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    Just watched this online. Really enjoyed it. Hmmm ... sports and doping and courts. Yummy!
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    Love Elsbeth! :cheer2:
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    Another great night of The Good Wife1
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    Got to watch it early here as though I lived on the eastern seaboard. LOVED IT!!!

    and that's all I got to say about that
    (at least for now :D)
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    At the very end of tonight's episode how did you intrepet Diane's stare? Or was it meaningless?
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    Not sure. Part of me wonders if Alicia is not going to accept the partnership - that is how she is not going to disappoint. But this is a tv show and Lockhart & Gardner are still going to be there, so Alicia will accept. But is Diane doubting??? Or will Alicia not accept, take job with Canning, and then Canning gobbles up L & G, so all actors still have their jobs??? I love this show, but there is no way all the folks at L & G won't be on the show, so I don't take the fall of L & G too seriously.
    Make sense???
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    Wow, intense episode! Did anyone think it a little too out of character for Diane to become the (semi)-evil schoolmarm at the end of the episode?

    I think Diane what was thinking, "what is going on?" Alicia was performing exactly like Diane requested...like a trained pet. I am thinking that maybe Alicia is seriously considering Canning's offer and is simply doing as told (ordered) until she makes a move.

    I'm not sure Alicia will accept partnership or stay with Lockhart Gardner. Some TV shows shake it up a few years into their run to keep things interesting. We could have two shows in one, the regulars at Lockhart Garder and then Alicia with Canning's firm. Glee is doing that with the regular show and then Curt and Rachel in New York. Chris Noth is a recurring character on this show, so maybe Will and Diane will become recurring characters as well?? Just as long as Kalinda moves with Alicia and is in every single episode!! :D
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    Will and Diane are every bit a part of this show as Alicia, Kalinda and (now) Eli! Cannot imagine the show without them.

    I just had to get caught up online, and unfortunately the cbs site often has video problems. I only had sound for about 2/3 of the Oly doping ep. The most recent one was fine until the last couple of minutes. What did Canning give Alicia? Sounds like a job offer (again), but did we see what?
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    I so wish Alicia goes with Canning who then buys L&G ! It would just be fantastic :)
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    It was his business card.
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  24. professordeb

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    and all that one could associate by the giving of it. I think he saw the look on Alicia's face when she answered about not know that there were 5 who were offered partnership and then her answer basically why she should be deserving of the offer -- with thousands of billable hours, etc etc etc and they she walks out of the courtroom without acknowledging either Diane or Will. Perhaps he's guessing that there is a bit of a crack in Alicia's relationship with L&G so thought to perhaps try enticing her again. Methinks she just might give it a bit more thought with what went down not only in the court scene but also in the "celebration" and Diane's chat with her. she's told to basically stop sulking, suck it up and act like an adult.
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    HAsn't Canning offered her a job before? He knows her value - especially because hiring her would mean he wouldn't have to face her in court :p
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    I do have to admit that I did think Alicia was pouting and didn't like it. Even if it was financially motivated Will and Diane et al are not going to invite anyone in who they think will weaken the law firm. It's a big firm and Alicia was one of a handful asked in---I would have run through that door.
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    Just caught up last night. I agree Alicia was pouting -- I think she did deserve a bit of a sulk, but she's had that now and she should take the partnership and move on. Going with Canning would be a very bad idea: Alicia is at her best when she believes in the cause she'd defending, and she can't do that in a law firm whose primary clients are big pharma and corporate polluters. I'm ok with the occasional Canning storyline, but please not a continuning story arc. I just can't stand that much of his character -- I have a low tolerance for people who use charm and exploit their disability to get their way.

    Diane's look a the very end was I think partly wtf and partly "oh, I wish we'd been more forthcoming with Alicia." Like her and Will's guilty looks in court. I do think they had some sincere regrets there, and it wasn't just a matter of getting "caught."

    I am glad things ended on a good note with Hayden. Now there's a character I'd like to see come back!

    The religion-in-politics storyling seemed a bit crammed in there. But perhaps there will be more in the future.

    But now we have to wait til Feb 17 for the next episode. :(
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    After Diane told Alicia the real reason why she received her own partnership offer from Stern, I took Diane's look to be a flashback 'that was me XX years ago, putting on my big girl pants and dealing with it'.

    I don't think I'd buy into a firm that deeply in trouble. But, then again, 4th years don't get equity partner offers.

    I loved Carey and Hayden's scene at the elevator.

    And I love the wicked Alicia coming out to play this year. "I'm an atheist" had me :rofl: and her pre snark at Maddie was hysterical. That run back to the store with the bags after she heard how much the 'partnership offer' would cost her - just great to see JM's comedic timing.
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    I still want Alicia to join Canning, so that he can become part of L&G. Please please please ! :)
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    Michael J Fox has his own series starting soon so even if Canning were to take over the firm, it'd be a fairly temporary measure.

    I like Canning in small doses. I don't want to see him every week. He really, really grates on my nerves when he's on screen too much. I'd love him to still guest star though!
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    I hate Canning...
    Michael J. Fox is doing a great job, one cannot but to have an opinion about his character.

    I think Alicia is a little dumb. Was she thinking partnership was for free?
    Diane remains my favorite character. I would love to see more of Will.
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    It does seem unrealistic that she wouldn't know there was some investment required, but $600K does seem steep. But I have no idea what a typical partner level investment would be.

    The thing about Canning is that most of the guest characters have some sort of extreme quirk about them and are best in small doses. no way would Canning be a good regular character
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    Well what I saw of the show was great but due to some stupid timing issues between watching a show on an American channel that then get overtaken by a Canadian showing the same thing -- I MISSED THE ENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So I turn on CBS at 9 to watch The Good Wife cause I watched other things when it was on earlier on time shift. It's about to start when I get the ending of TAR again -- I saw it all on another channel that is Canadian. Soooooooooooooo, it finally stars and I'm a happy camper. Gets to be 10 pm and Alicia has just told Carey she's been offered the single partnership and that she's going to accept it when BANG! my Canadian channel for another show takes over and I don't get to see the ending. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa for me.

    Now I am off and hoping that global television has it somewhere cause every time I try to watch it online via CBS, it's geo blocked. If anyone knows of another means by which I can see those final minutes, it would be greatly appreciated.
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    I know the practice is in financial dire straits but somehow I would love to see Elsbeth and Amanda Peet's character (cannot remember her name) join the firm. ( professordeb--you wanted to see the ending and not a spoiler? I put the ending in and then took it out. My apologies if you saw it.
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    Cachoo -- it was nothing to do with what you posted. I was watching the actual episode last night on TV and that's when the stupid channels switched on me. I have now seen the ending and quite frankly, I was not really impessed with how the episode ended. It felt like a let down after the rest of the program. JMO, of course, but sheesh, after having to re-watch the last "10" minutes on the internet along with about 5 minutes of commercials I was looking for something a little -- stronger? as an ending. Oh well, at least now I've seen it. Didn't get the previews, though. Guess I will have to wait til next week :D
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    I love Elsbeth, but I don't want to see her join the firm. I want her to continue as a guest, because I think she'd annoy me on a daily basis.

    I would have loved for Cary and Alicia to set up their own firm though...
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    it was a *bit* too pat that the firm has been in such dire straits and then - zing! - they're in the money because they were so concerned about debt that they didn't notice they were raking in millions. I kinda wish Alicia had told Cary they were starting their own firm :shuffle:. I just hope this doesn't pit them against one another again, I've really enjoyed them becoming friends. Nice final scene with Alicia watching Cary and Kalinda talking about what was going on in the board room.

    Elspeth is great - as a guest.
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    Loved it up until that very uncomfortable kiss between Will and Alicia. Talk about zero chemistry. :yikes:

    I thought JM killed it in the show last night - that courtroom mock trial was so much fun to watch. Diane and Will were just a bit too smug going in and then went down in flames. I know the 'client' from some other show, but not sure where. David Lee - never change you pompous jerk. Where did Matan go, btw? I've missed him for seasons.

    Eli had a fun subplot going there. We got to see Alan really emote last night - that scene with Jordan was amazing, the look on his face when he realized 'his' candidate didn't need him was heartbreaking. And :cheer2: to Elspeth doing the wiretap AGAINST the feds! :rofl: That cheesy accordian music was the perfect touch. Kyle McLaughlan still can play smarmy well - that 'how about dinner?' line to Elspeth was icky and hysterically clueless at the same time.

    So, if Alicia's a partner now, will she actually have an office without another person in it? And I could have sworn the buy-in was more than $200,000? Did they have a 'sale'? Or was that just a down payment?
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    I really wanted that as well, but I have to agree with Alicia. You need major start-up money and they were trying hard just to get together money to become partners in Lockhart Gardner. Too much of a pipe dream and too much of a knee-jerk idea. But I did the love the idea!! :respec:

    David says at the beginning of the episode that over the last month, a few big cases were settled, which had the firm out of debt. Not only that, but they were on track to be in the black to the tune of 133 million. Which makes me wonder...why would everyone do a turnaround on the offers to the five new potential partners? 133 million is not enough of a profit to share amongst some new people? Plus you have to know those five would-be partners will be pissed at you for pulling that offer out from out under their feet. Certainly not a way to build workplace morale... :confused:

    I thought the ending symbolized a slow cooker being turned up a notch. Instead of the five would-be partners being united to bring about a satisfactory conlusion, now they are divided with Carey obviously peeved at Alicia. This seemed kind of out of character for Alicia...she should have at least talked to the other four and let them know her plans. And then her flustery bit she said to Carey about "making change". We just saw in the episode how smart and passionate she is...then all of a sudden she's mindless and unable to string a few sentences together? Plus joining the firm as a partner after David was such an ass to her, specifically saying they wanted her for her surname/family connection? :mad: