Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by jiggs, Apr 14, 2012.
Hey, I love your post and all the videos you are sharing! I'm a big Caro fan! I seem to remember many thinking that her 2008 season LP was skated best at the 2007-2008 GPF in Turin, Italy where she won bronze behind Yu-Na and Mao. She did 6 clean triples there, all with +GOE (3F+3T, 3LZ+2LO, 3LO, 2A+3T, & 3S). Her errors were singling the 2nd 3flip and a messy landing on the 2nd 2Axel. Still, in the minds of many, it was a better skate than Worlds because she wasn't iffy, scratchy, or sloppy on the triples she did land at the GPF.
I'm so glad that jiggs opened this thread.
I cannot describe with words how much I love Carolina's skating.
I never skated until I was 19, in 2005. I did watch fs before, but totally randomly. She definetely caught my attention with her olympic short program in 2006. I couldn't care less about the falls, there was such a sense of beauty in her flow, lines, speed, in that "Mission" that I immediately felt the need to rewatch it all over again. I still have goosebumps just thinking about it.
After that I was so interested in figure skating that I rewatched every single competition of the Olys, Euros and I couldn't wait for worlds in Calgary.
Ever since then, I didn't miss to watch a competition, and not just for Carolina (I'm much more interested in ice dance right now that I am in the ladies field), but she really was the reason why I found out that skating was my sport, after that I even started taking lessons etc, but this is another story.
The Olympics in Italy were really a huge thing for many of us, it made us know many sports of which medias never ever talk about, nor there are many places to practice them. For Carolina it was such a huge thing as well, probably too much to handle and still some people only remember her for being "the one who fell at the olympics at home", but for many many skating fans that was really a turning point.
I remember the first competition I attended was Zagreb 2008, there she won her second European title and that was the first time I brought a banner in a sports competition which later became a kind of luckycharm for some of us Carolina fans. I really had a blast at that event, I made myself some new skating friends, watched practices, met some skaters, it was great.
Ever since I watch fs I have memories of every single competition Carolina attended, either because I actually went to see them live, or stayed at home watching it with my mom, or because of get-togethers we organized with other caro-fans. The best thing is that I met some wonderful people because of her, which I can actually count as my best friends right now. I know this post is very sentimental, but I needed to say this.
For some reason Carolina's career means a lot to me that just her medals and meltdowns. It really, really is the story of a life and I feel like her story is part of my life as well and it means a lot to me how well it ended - although I hope it's not over yet. It is a story of falling and getting up again and again no matter what, it's a story of tears, and smiles and pain like many others, but it's special to me. No one, really no one believed in her after 2010 Olys, but she was able to believe in herself and find her way, agains all odds.
If I had to say what was the moment to remember in her career, I'd have no doubt: Torino 2010. I still can't help crying watching that competition. Even though we booked tickets months before the event, after what happened in Vancouver and all the critics she had in Italy (including a very harsh one from the president of italian OC) I really felt for Carolina and I feared that is she had a meltdown in Torino too, that could have been the end of her career so I almost hoped she decided not to skate there.
Probably it was not an option, anyways Carolina did skate there, didn't fall and skated a wonderful program. I remember screaming in the middle of the silence right before the beginning of her step sequence, it was such a liberating moment, at some point everybody was clapping and screaming and we all stood up before she ended. She-and we-started crying right after. That skate meant a lot for everybody.
Of course Nice 2012 was the skate of her life and I will keep it in my heart forever too, also because of the people I got to share this experience with
I couldn't be happier of how this two last seasons went, even if I don't know her and I'm feeling kind of stupid and emotional writing this post, for all this time I really really felt like her moment had yet to come, like she said after Vancouver, and here it is.
I'm so so glad I was able to be there when it happened
and sorry again for the emotional post - i really feel like a stupid uber right now and also I'm sorry for my poor english
I support every single word! My tho thoughts exactly. Also the comment on Irina!
Thanks for the tip!
Now here is Caro's GPF LP season 07/08:
Ive made similar experiences like you. Regarding this point not so much related to Caro, but in general I think nice skaters seem to have nice fans as well and I too found new friends due to common fandom.
Elonorad - no reason to excuse. Thank you for sharing your emotions.
BTW like you, I too started skating as an adult after watching a show in Russia.
I couldn´t have said it any better. You speak out of my heart! What I think is interesting is that I know a lot of fans who were big Irina-fans and are Carolina-fans now. I´m also one of them but I think it´s funny because their skating is so different. But the two are my favourite skaters
Totally agree - what a beautiful photo. It is so in the moment.
Thank you for your story. So glad you found skating! Your English is great!
Haha, you should check out my username!
Thanks everyone for your posts, and thank you Eleonora for sharing your story with us! I loved reading it because I saw so many similarities to how I have experienced the past 10 years being a Caro-Fan
I personally became an instant fan when I saw her FP on Eurosport at Euros 2003. She skated a clean program including 3lz3t, 3f3t and 2a/half loop/3sal and I was just amazed by her natural talent, edging and flow.
I was a skater myself in the region where Carolina comes from and where she practised until she was 14 years old, so I knew her vaguely from competitions. I quit competitive skating when I was 16, three years after she moved to Oberstdorf so I hadn't seen her in a while. And then when I saw her on TV it was like WOW, this is what she has been doing for the past three years!
I wrote to congratulate her after Euros 2003 and we have been in touch ever since and she has become a good friend. She is such a lovely, nice and down to earth person and so is the rest of her family. And I think this "down-to-earth" personality really shows in her skating style, it's not fake but very natural and real.
Personally, I never doubted her. Even when she hit rock-bottom in Turin 2006, LA 2009 and Vancouver 2010, I never had a doubt in my mind that one day, it will all come together for her. I have seen her in practice so many times and she is so incredibly good, it was just a question of time when her head would be in the right place and she would be able to show what she is made of in competition. It was not easy for her, not at all. And I think there were quite a few times when she was ready to give it all up.
Turin 2006 must have been so difficult for her, with the inhuman pressure she was under, and she was so young. But she bounced back winning her first European Title the very next season. LA 2009 was the start of what would continue during the 2009/2010 season and eventually came to a low point in Vancouver. She was ripped apart badly by the media, her country and high representatives, it was painful to watch. Honestly, thinking back now, I suppose after Vancouver was the only time I really thought that this would be the end. For a moment there, I thought she would not recover from this and I felt so bad for her.
But she proved me and everyone else wrong. She fought and fought and fought and fought and most importantly, she regained her love for figure skating. And in the end, it paid off.
Being there in Nice and watching it all come together for her live was an incredible experience. I will cherish it forever and I can't explain how happy and proud I am of her. My favourite moment actually was at the after party for which her family, friends and Team Italy gathered in a room at the hotel and waited for her to come out of the press conference. When she was finally there, the atmosphere was so nice and touching, it was like everyone who was there knew the entire story and was aware of the whole picture behind this gold medal. It was kind of a mixture of happiness and sentimentality that was in the air and everyone was just so happy for her.
Well, that is my personal story. I wasn't sure whether I should share it publicly but I feel like the other Caro fans have shared the same path so I thought it would be nice!
This year is the first time I have enjoyed watching Carolina. It was a surprise to me!
I usually can't take my eyes of of her when she's skating in 6 minutes warm-up. She has so much speed and flow. When she is able to execute her program, her artistry can be compared to none. To me, "L'Après-midi d'un faune" is the best lady's program of all time.
She is one of the few skaters that has I can watch again & again & find something new each time I watch her.
Her Free at the 08' Skate Canada had some nice choreography. Does anyone know why she did not continue with the program ?.
The program was not performed well, the judges were not too kind with pcs and I think the italian federation forced her to change it.
Thanks for the info. Shame, I liked it
Me too. Jumpwise that performance wasn't too bad, but I think she didn't perform the coreography well. Anyways I loved that she tried to interpret the swan her own way and I really wished she had the time to develope it, but she didn't have this chance
Here it is, Carolina's Black Swan program from Skate Canada 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP0rj4lNfP4
She performed this program only two times, first time being at Karl Schäfer Memorial in Vienna.
I think there are several reasons why she dropped this program, but I think Ele is right that there was definitely some outside pressure for her to go back to her old program. There were rumors that the judges did not like it. And it was obvious in her PCS as well, she received 53 in PCS at Skate Canada which really isn't much for someone who had just won the silver medal at Worlds a couple of months before.
To be honest and I don't like the program that much. While it might have improved with some adjustments and changes, I don't find Carolina to be a skater who can portray characters that well. She is much better with a neutral piece of music around which she can construct a program and in which she can accentuate her speed, flow and musicality. She rarely had a program in which she was portraying a character or telling a story (Memories of a Geisha is the only one I can think of at the moment - I did like that program though), also in her exhibition skates.
I think it's because Carolina doesn't feel entirely comfortable portraying someone else. She said herself in an interview that when she was working with Stephane on her "Carmen" program for Opera on Ice, it was rather hard for her to really get into the character and perform it to its fullest. I think she still did a great job, I just find her to do much better when she can be herself and just let the skating speak for itself.
I know. I LOVE your username!
BTW, thanks to all for sharing your stories and posting the links! It´s great to see that there are a lot of other Caro-Fans!
Kostner was a little awkward to be skating to ballet music, but I really liked the way the music was arranged and the choreography was done.
Perhaps if she revamped the program for next season it would be good? She was never going to be a balletic swan but she could still be a musical, elegant skater with her own take on the music.
P.S. those telegraphed flip and lutz entrances hurt my soul still.
I think it's incredible how much less frantic Carolina seems now as compared to some of the earlier videos. She's always been one of my favourites but it seems these past two seasons she's been skating with a maturity and serenity we haven't seen before. She just glows in her performances lately.
I agree, she just seems to have found her inner balance.
I guess some skaters just need to take their time and develop at their own speed and I think Carolina is one of them. She was thrown into the senior circuit so young and everyone was expecting fast development and great results straight away. I think in the end that backfired a little and the pressure actually delayed her development artistically. Every person deals with these situations differently but early pressure can really damage a young skater. We have seen it happen to a lot of skaters and it pains me to see how it continues to happen (Gracie Gold being one of them, she seems to be doing well so far, but oh boy I don't want to be in her shoes, just let her develop at her own speed, but of course that is not going to happen).
I think Carolina has found a way to deal with expectations very late in her career. It seems like now, all the weight has been lifted off her shoulders and she only skates for herself. It looks light, free and joyful.
Thanks for the link !. I enjoyed watching it again.
I may get slated for this but the ONLY thing that I have not like about Carolina over the years has been some of her costumes.
Too much fake-skin. Her skin tight suit she wore this year showed what an amazing figure she has & I think she could have had some better outfits in years gone by.
Her SP dress for this season was nice but could have been with straps rather than fake-skin
I agree with you on some costumes. I thought most of her dresses had a good idea/design but could have been executed better. Some looked kind of ill-fitting and I agree about the fake skin. Those are the ones I could have lived without:
2005/2006 SP: http://www.carolina-kostner.it/pictures/olympics/short/7.jpg
2007/2008 FP: http://www.carolina-kostner.it/pictures/worlds08/FP/A20808030.jpg
2009/2010 FP #1: http://www.carolina-kostner.it/pictures/teb2009/IMG_7510a.jpg
2009/2010 FP #2: http://www.carolina-kostner.it/pictures/olys2010/Caro_Vancouver_long1-1.jpg
2009/2010 SP: http://www.carolina-kostner.it/pictures/euros2010/03.jpg
I loved these ones though:
My favourite has got to be this one:
I LOVED the dress she wore at the 09' Europeans & Worlds too !. Very classy.
I also liked the yellow/blue dress she wore for the 2006 Obersdorf gala.
It would be nice to see her wear a trouser suit.
So, we don't know yet whether Carolina will retire or not. If she keeps skating competitively, what music would you like her to use?
I personally loved her Riders on the Storm SP and would love to see her go into a more "jazzy" direction again ... your thoughts?
I would like to see her try something really different next season. Non-classical.
Maybe a Beatles medley or Rolling stones. Just do something that she has never done.
Actually I would like her to keep classical programs. While I usually like skaters showing their versatility (not saying that Caro is not versatile), I think she does the classical themes so well that I want to see some more of them. In addition she doesnt skate to overused classical music, but some rare pieces, which is great. But Id love to see her doing something completely new and unexpected in exhibition numbers.
Referring to the costumes: Did anyone else like her dress for this years LP much better than the body suit? I think that dress was one of the prettiest she ever wore (not sure about some of her choices in the past). Wish Caro shows up in similar style next year.
I completely agree with you.
I think this piece of music is incredibly beautiful but perhaps not as suitable for skating as other pieces. But still it's worth listening.
I agree with you here, it just works really well for her and I can imagine her picking something classical again for the FP. However, I would love to see her experiment even more in the SP. I think Shostakovich was a signature piece for her and it showed that she can really rock programs like that. PashaFan mentioned the Rolling Stones. I think she could totally pull it off!
On a sidenote, Carolina debuted her new exhibition to Björk's "It's Oh So Quiet" last night at Champions on Ice in Rimini. She is going to skate to it at All That Skate in Seoul this week as well. There are no videos out yet but I can't wait to see this program! Björk + Carolina must be like a match made in heaven
that dress by Cavalli was an old one, she wore it for the 2007 Worlds SP (Canon D by Pachelbel program). The body suit is the new one from the series she designed by herself this year with a new sponsor.
I like them both but I have to say that the blue dress is simply stunning! One of the most beautiful skating dresses ever imho.
I agree with jiggs I would like to see her skating something jazzy, but also, as a big fan of cuban music I'd love if she tries this one:
"Como siento yo", instrumental version
there's one with lyrics as well (but I cannot find it on YT) and I love this song, is so romantic and melanconic, but actually the instrumental one would be perfect for Caro imho, even if she already tried some (alternative) latin music, this one's different, very classy
I don't remember that program, so I'm happy to rediscover it !
But I agree with Marco, she looks a bit awkward. Maybe this is because it was unusual for her and the beginning of the season. There are some brilliant moments and I guess it would have been a very beautiful program few month later.
If she does decide to compete until Sochi I think next season would be the time to try new things.
I LOVED her free this season & thought she was very much at peace with the program. So maybe bring the free back for Olympic year or one like it.
I agree that classical does suit her best & she seems to really like skating to it.
Fast pace music seems to distract her & she gets in a mess.
I think she could still win an Olympic medal without the Lutz but she needs consistent events until then.
Maybe romantic music that she could be into would help her. Butyrskaya with Otonal did wonders for her.
Carolina is listed as one of the guest stars in Dreams on Ice, Japan's annual national skating exhibition show, June 15-17, 2012: http://www.onice.jp/DOI12/guests.html
Here is a bit of it
and with Plushenko
I remember watching Caro's first Worlds in 2003 on live stream and the Italian commentator going on about her speed and how she should do what she does best 'lascia volare.' I always loved her speed, but am glad she finally figured out a way to maintain ice coverage -just not at the expense of control in her jumps.
I was at the GPF and got a little worried when she was wondering around visibly upset about Mao's mom during practice (she apparently found out when a reporter asked her to comment on her passing on, ugh!), but once she took the ice for her run-through, she looked so in control and focused, it was like she knew it was her season to shine. And I'm very happy I got a chance to see part of it live. Her edges and power are -worthy in person.
She certainly has come into her own and I hope she sticks around for a bit longer. It only goes to prove that the "older" skater can definitely improve (not that she is very old at all ). She seems to have settled into a comfort zone.
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