Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by jiggs, Apr 14, 2012.
Why do you keep saying that her manager is the most important person in her life?
Thoughts on Scheherazade:
*I burst! I'm sekretly very pleased that she's kept this program, scandalous costume and all. (And for the record I loved and appreciated the authenticity of the first one too, so sue me)
*Whoever suggested Scheherazde as a short program is a nimwit, you cannot capture the rapture and orgasm of Scheherezade in a mere 2 and a half minutes. You need at least four.
POnderings on Ave Maria.,,.,.,.,...
*First of all, I'd be pleased with a change. "Humoresque" is daring and a tad eccentric for an Olympic program and I do not particularly enjoy the lillsy orchestral version (is has a flattening effect on the composition and I find myself wanting the playfully neurotic piano original).
Had I choreographed the thing, I would have had her pulling a live butterfly from under her dress and presenting it to the audience as a symbol of peace. Hey if Yagudin can throw clumps of ice in the air then this could work too.
* With this music I still think of Fumie's sweet moment from 2002 Salt Lake, but skating to this in Sochi can be an iconic "watch on repeat" performance from the competition. Oh and one last thing...does the Nobel Prize committee give an award for skating mastery?
If you liked Ave Maria, you will probably also like this exhibition to "Va Pensiero" she did at Opera on Ice this year: http://youtu.be/IC5H271tC8Y?t=1m23s
I think this is hands down the best I have seen her skate, I love the grandness of her movements and the soft, flowy skating. I see the same thing in Ave Maria. Hopfefully she will keep it as an exhibition. And I absolutely adore the dress.
Opera On Ice cannot be scheduled earlier because the Opera season ends in September.
I would be so happy to see Caro win an Olympic medal.
Thank you pingu! It should be the right answer! It can't be helped.
I really really want Caro to be on the podium in Sochi. So I asked the the same question inside of me again and again.
This show is very gorgeous so I'm a fan of this show itself. But it is kinda musical show so skaters have to practice the special programs for it. Nebel is fine since they skate their competitive programs. Also skaters do their own exhibition programs in other shows, i.e. "Imagine" for Caro, so they just skate what they've already practiced.
Caro is a big star in her country, so I assume she feels responsibility for many things such as this show. Now I won't look back and just root for her. Thankx.
Caro skated to Opera on Ice three times now. And these were the best seasons of her carrier. The problem this year is her back pain, witch took away a lot of practice time. I only hope she get healthy soon, than she will skate great.
Here they are
Carolina Kostner Christmas on ice 2013 Immagine Eis Club Gardena
Carolina Kostner Christmas on ice 2013 AVE MARIA Eis Club Gardena
Here are HD versions of her exhibitions in Oberstdorf:
Ave Maria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PynjMtrwc_I
If I am not mistaken, Icegala Bolzano will be aired tomorrow on TV, hopefully there will be videos of that online soon. I saw it live, she skated to Ave Maria and Shez there too and she was amazing!
Her Ave Maria is wonderful. A few dance movements make me sigh in admiration. If only her jumps had been more consistent. She still is my favorite Italian. It would be very nice to see her making the podium in Sochi. More importantly, though, I really hope she leaves a great performance or two in this season. Good luck at the Euros.
Here is P&G's "Thank you mom" with Carolina and her mother. Unfortunately, it's in Italian only ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipc6rhdiO7k
That was so touching. I'm French, so I understood part of it by association, but it was wonderful. So many people are still so hard on Carolina...how quickly they have forgotten the hurdles she has leaped over, going from two disastrous Olympics to World Champion two years later. Muah. Best of luck on the rest of the season.
Very nice moment, thank you
Am getting soft in my old age. This and Akiko's Nationals win both made me sniffle. Looking forward to seeing Carolina in Budapest
Not sure if it's been mentioned somewhere already, but take a look at her ISU bio as of today:
Music Short Program / Short Dance as of season 2013/2014
Ave Maria by Franz Schubert
Music Free Skating / Free Dance as of season 2013/2014
Bolero by Maurice Ravel
I'd have preferred Mozart, but still - good news!
(hat tip to a GS poster who spotted the update)
Oh, wonderful. Her Bolero program is wonderful. This makes me soooooooo happy. I so want her to win a medal and I don't care what it color.
Best news THIS WHOLE SEASON!!!!! I can't believe it!!! Dreams rarely come true!!!!! Now if she can also keep her black Bolero dress and white Ave Maria dress...
This new makes me SO HAPPY! What a perfect send off the Canadian Nationals
I loved,loved,loved Bolero and her Ave Maria sp is wonderful,too. They are both much better choices for her,if you ask me.
Fabulous news! Thanks.
WOOOT!! Cue the hallelujah choir!!
Wow! Those are major changes after the disastrous GP series. It's really going to help her confidence and make her a contender for the OGM.
The reason for the programs being changed, from her FB page:
Good luck to her at Euros and the Olympics!
I am one of those who loved 'Humoresque' but it seems it had a limited number of fans. I have not watched her Ave Maria yet but it sounds like a more popular choice.
Ave Maria is absolutely stunning. The potential is there for it to join the ranks of the truly iconic Olympic short programs of all time: Baiul's Black Swan and Kwan's Rach.
Bolero is brilliant, too. I hope Kostner is well enough to have gratifying skates at the Olympics. I'd love for her to medal, but I feel like at this point, she is skating to inspire herself and the medals are somewhat incidental.
She wrote a message for her fans
I'm a bit sad because I loved Humoresque, but Ave Maria is stunning and I know she can skate it fabulously. I am definitely thrilled by the return of Bolero though!!!
Big changes for Carolina!
I also loved Humoresque, I think I "got" where she was going with it, but I am sure Ave Maria will be just as gorgeous, and less controvertial.
Happy about Scheherazade change. Also would have preferred Carolina changed back to Mozart ( that was amazing!!!) but I guess she has the World title with it, and it is the past. Bolero is a good choice as well.
I just hope she is healthy and happy and does her best at Olympics. She is one of the very few who, to me, creates absolute magic on ice. Good luck Caro.
What was the "story" of the Humoresque program?
I like these choices - good luck Carolina
It represents... dreams of butterflies, if I am not wrong.
What I liked about Humoresque was that it was a rarely used piece of music. I don't even know anyone that skated to it. Carolina has the sophistication to skate to that kind of piece of music. However, if her Ave Maria is as beautiful as everyone says (I have not watched it yet), so be it.
I'm not a fan of her Ave Maria program. It reminds me too much of Lori Nichol's Ave Maria for Fumie Suguri in 2002 except I found Fumie's version to be superior. I thought Humoresque was a better program, but if Ave Maria will help her calm her nerves and skate well, then more power to Caro. I am much more excited that she dumped her Schez program and is going back to Bolero to which I felt she never skated up to her abilities. I much prefer her Mozart LP, but even with her limited difficulty, I felt Caro's 2012 Worlds LP performance was probably the best interpretation of Mozart Caro would ever do, so it's better to give Bolero more mileage.
I do appreciate Caro's Schez for one reason. If Lori had to choreograph Schez for Kwan, then Caro's routine makes me think that Lori would not have done a better job with it than Sarah Kawahara and then the Kwan team (later on in the season) did in 2002.
I loved her humoresque SP and Bolero is my least favorite LP of this quad...Too bad
Am I the only one sad of these news ? lol
I don't care what she skates to as long as she feels comfortable with the program. It was clear in her GP events that she did not and she said she simply couldn't make Schez work for her. I just want her to be well and in top form by Sochi because if she is and she's comfortable with her programs, she'll shine and a podium spot is well within her reach. Out of all the possible Olympic medalists, I want it for her the most so I'm for anything she does that will help her succeed.
This is the exhibition version of Ave Maria that Carolina skated at the Oberstdorf Gala. The choreography will be the same/similar I believe, plus her regular jumping content (3T+3T, 3Lo, 2A)
It seems like skaters should have some sort of a refund policy in their contracts with their choreographers. If the skater skates to the new program at the start of the season X number of times and then dumps it before her Nationals then she should get a partial refund from the choreographer
I'm glad Caroline is back to Bolero again, although I do think Schez looks much better in the clip posted by jiggs. I wonder if the 3sal at the final seconds will still be in the program.
Lori wouldn't have given Kwan the same choreography that she gave Carol though. I'm sure each skater inspired Lori differently, and the Lori of 2001 was not the same Lori of 2013. Plus she would've been choreographing under the 6.0 system and not IJS in 2013. I'm sure Lori's Schez for Michelle would've been tailored to fit Michelle's style.
I don't know whether this has been posted before but I found this a very interesting interview about Carolina's work with Lori Nichol: http://www.icenetwork.com/news/2014/01/18/66821422
ITA. I hope she skates lights out at the Olympics. I will miss Humoresque, but her Ave Maria is my favourite since S/N's stunning SP.
Thank you for the article, jiggs.
Good luck to Caro. I love her skating. She's beautiful to watch. Go Caro. Just go with whatever programs you feel most comfortable with.
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