The Biggest Loser is Back and So is Jillian!!

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by AragornElessar, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    We do not know whom you have in ignore. No one is going to stop just quoting people entirely in order to prevent you from having to deal with seeing something you don't want to see. This is a forum. These things happen. Either deal with it or get out.

    MacMadame is perfectly allowed to say whatever she wants to say on the topic, even if I do agree that it can be a little irritating for someone to come talk about something they don't like with people who obviously do. But yelling at people for quoting someone on a public forum where people quote each other all the time because it means you have to see the quotes is totally inane. I mean, really. Just because you start a thread does not mean you can dictate what people talk about or whom they quote (or when spoilers are expected). Forum rules don't change just because you started a thread.

    I've never watched The Biggest Loser, but I have read multiple articles about her and several of Jillian Michael's books. The Biggest Loser is, of course, a very special, specific circumstance where people are pushed to lose a lot of weight in a short period of time. The articles and books I have read with her - all of which, of course, are in the USA, or I would pull them out for quotes, sorry - are all about a full lifestyle change, about losing weight slowly and organically but still pushing yourself. "Master Your Metabolism" is an absolutely fantastically interesting book that goes through every single hormone in your body and how it is a part of your metabolism and all these "diet foods" and crap screw those hormones up and play tricks on them.

    I have a lot of respect for Jillian Michaels based on this book and her honesty and integrity in the articles/books I have about/by her. But like I said, I haven't watched the show.
  2. MacMadame

    MacMadame Internet Beyotch

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    The season I watched was the one with Heba and Vicky. I thought there were a lot of bullies then. Are you saying this past season was even nastier. Wow.
  3. AragornElessar

    AragornElessar Well-Known Member

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    No, what would be nice is if the sniping stopped and in turn this person isn't given what they want. Attention and in turn, taking the thread over w/their own little dramas.

    Clear enough now?
  4. numbers123

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    HUH? You don't know a whole lot about MacMadame if you think she is saying this to get attention. She lost weight, she is a triathlon athlete and is into training/getting fit in the proper manner, over time and not bullied.
    For some JM works, she does make the show because of her extreme actions. My cousins love her work-out DVD's. They adore Jillian. Jillian to me is a bully and does not prepare them for life outside the boot camp setting.
    I know you have been around FSU long enough to know that when you try to control/write rules for any thread, you will get the opposite reaction. We all have people who are on our ignore lists, we can not possibly expect that the other hundreds of thousands of registered members would know and follow our wishes.
    Back to topic of PE - I hated the concept/requirement of PE, partly because of the bullying aspect. If you had no coordination and your body was not the ideal shape, you were perceptually picked last and made fun of in the showers. Some of us were naturally clumsy but can kick butt on some WiiFit games.
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  5. Prancer

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    The only drama I see is that you are pitching something of a fit because you don't like MacMadame's posts. Stop posting about it and ignore her posts, even when they are quoted. Drama over.

    You can only control yourself and what you post. Other posters will do what they do and if they want to respond to her posts, that's the way it goes.
  6. Fridge_Break

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    I did not start watching until after Heba and Vicky's season so I can not compare.
  7. heckles

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    It's ironic that PE is lauded as a way for students to let off stress, yet it seems to be the source of stress for many. Seems like a good half of adults' bullying recollections involved a PE class. It doesn't help matters that PE tends to revolve around team sports, so kids who don't do well in those often end up thinking they're bad at sports in general.

    I'd like to see more schools allow students to fulfill the PE requirement by letting them to do sports outside of school, especially if those sports are ones that are difficult to teach in the school setting. If the kid likes skiing, let him or her fulfill the PE requirement by joining a ski team with a verifiable practice and competitive schedule. I've heard of only a few schools that allow students to do this, and it tends to be mostly for high-level athletes.
  8. Prancer

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    Does it? My PE classes never did. I did fencing, gymnastics and dance in high school.

    My kids have had all kinds of options for PE, including things like DDR, Extreme Frisbee, and outdoor bicycle riding along with more standard stuff like weightlifting, aerobic dance, volleyball and such. I've often wondered how common this is; what exactly IS PE like in most high schools these days? From everything I have read, the emphasis has shifted a lot because of the bullying aspect of PE in the past, but I don't know if that is true everywhere.
  9. michiruwater

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    We did all sorts of things in PE. We stretched every day, ran every day, our instructor taught us to use all the standard gym equipment safely, and we played various sports. We never chose teams, though, he just divided us up on his own, and most of the sports we did were full-team sports where we were evenly divided, like volleyball or soccer.

    We definitely never had anything like dance or gymnastics. I wish. But I did enjoy PE and while my instructor was a hardass, he was fair.
  10. MacMadame

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    I find that interesting because part of why I don't respect her is that I think she's all about the money. The fact that she knows the right way to do things but is willing to get paid to do it the wrong way is part of that. It's not just this show. She's done things like say in interviews that 30 min. workouts are bad and then 6 months later she puts out some 30 min. workout tapes that are no different than what she was criticizing -- because they sell.

    As for PE, my best sports and PE experiences came when I was older and had choice over what I did. In High School, PE was treated like any elective and you picked the classes you wanted to take (if you didn't try out for and make a team sport instead) and in college we also had intramural sports which were very social and, again, totally elective. It was those experiences that started me on the path of thinking sports could be fun, not traditional PE classes.

    I think increasing kids' access to physical activities and making them cool -- such as some of the kids sports programs sponsored by high profile athletes and sports organizations -- will do worlds more for kids' fitness than increasing their PE time.

    I also worry that those kids on this season's Biggest Loser are setting themselves up for a lifetime of yo-yo dieting and ending up even heavier. It's been shown over and over that one of the risks of dieting is ending up fatter than you started. When the adults do it, I figure they are adults and have probably already had a lifetime of dieting so it's probably too late anyway. But getting kids -- who are still growing -- to do these extreme diets and exercise programs horrifies me and when I saw the commercial of them being on the show, I wanted to cry.
  11. Fridge_Break

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    The kids are not living on the ranch and are not being pushed like the adults are. They're more being taught how to live an active and healthy lifestyle and are checking in with the trainers on a weekly basis.
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    Not sure about high school since my two oldest are still in middle school. They have PE every day, with Monday being their mile run day where they are timed. The longer the run the lower the grade. They don't have different activities to choose from, rather the teacher rotates the activities, looks like it's 3 weeks of volleyball, 3 weeks of basketball, etc. It does seem to be more of the team sport format and not individual like dance. The teachers grade participation vs. grading on how well they perform which I think is more fair.
  13. heckles

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    Are there still schools that let the students do that team-picking bit? Don't know why anyone ever thought that one was a good idea.
  14. PRlady

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    I was good at it. It was the only thing I was good at so I kept it up through college. (In case you're interested, Jennifer Lawrence really did have good technique.) It's an interesting sport but it still took me til age 39 to finally do some aerobic cardio exercise, because gym class taught me to hate it.

    We had to square dance, too. In a Hebrew Day school. :rofl:

    (And I've watched the show a couple of times. It makes for good TV but I feel so sorry for the contestants from beginning to end that I can't really enjoy it.)
  15. Rob

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    Were we the same person in school? Asthma during Presidential fitness tests. Check. Always hoped for Dodgeball day. Check.
  16. MacMadame

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    Well that's good but losing massive amounts of weight is still good tv so I still worry about them. I keep thinking about all those Fat Camps and how well they don't work in the long run and how kids who go to them talk about all the disordered eating that goes on there.

    That's how they do it at Mini-Mac's school too. Except they did have a unit on dance. She hates PE just like I did, btw.

    The funny thing is, I was so sure I was "bad at sports" that I never considered dancing as a sport or even a physical activity. I Contra Danced every Friday night through college and was damn good at it too. But sports were things like track and field, volleyball, and basketball in my mind. It's really a shame all the opportunities I missed because I got labeled as Bad at Sports at an early age and learned to hate physical activity. I'd like to see others avoid that.
  17. my little pony

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    ita that gym caused more stress than it was worth. in one pd you had to get there, change, sit in a squad, since we only did team sports - put on one of those pinnies (sp?). by the time it was time to go change, not a lot of quality anything was done. and the only thing i liked was dodgeball. apparently, my only talent is hitting people in the face.
  18. jamesy

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    The kids aren't really involved in the weight loss contest part of the show. They are more like mascots for their team; I think the show mostly refers to them as ambassadors.

    They aren't weighed in and they are not involved with the weigh in ceremony at all. They pretty much show up to help participate in reward challenges then they leave. Even when they do work out it is apart from the adults.

    I was kind of surprised they were going to involve children in the show but so far it looks like they've gone out of their way for the kids' experience to not just be a junior version of what the adults go through.
  19. MacMadame

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    That's great, then. I feel so much better.
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    The best PE program I know of in the U.S. is one that the Colorado mountain schools have. They let their kids out at 12:30 every day in the winter to go skiing for the rest of the afternoon. How frickin awesome is that?!!!
  21. heckles

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    Some of the school districts in Colorado operate year-round so that the students choose which three months they want off, so some of them take winters off to ski. Skiing and other individual sports can be great for many introverts, including those on the Autism spectrum.
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    I watched a season of BL & I was appalled at its methods. When you have a mountain of donuts & make someone "take one for the team" stuffing their face, what kind of message are you sending? Healthy, nutritious food can be delicious - why not promote that instead of implying that nothing will live up to donuts but you must deny yourself forever? And the intense exercise without proper warm-ups made me hurt. I got shin-splits just watching.

    As for PE, I am not built for sports. I was mediocre at most sports & the worst in foot races. I usually came in last in any race. But I don't ever remember dreading PE. It was a time to hang out with my friends & have fun & give my brain a rest for 45 mins. It never bothered me to come in last. Someone has to...maybe if I had been bullied for it, it would have bothered me, but thinking back I just accepted it as the way things were & there was nothing I could do about it. (Maybe my unconcern about it kept me from being bullied - I don't know.)

    ETA: I did do Pres Kennedy's fitness program in high school & I was the sit-up champion my senior year. My one physical claim to fame.
  23. AragornElessar

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    You know, the other times we've had thread for BL, it's always been positive and how the show has inspired the posters to get healthy and lose weight themselves.

    If I'd known starting the thread would turn it into what I've read in the last few days, I never would have.

    I'm done. Enjoy your sniping.
  24. jamesy

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    I'm pretty sure we spent the last thread posting about how much we all hated Conda.
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    Well, this thread has inspired me to reconsider square dancing. But I still hate the javelin.

    Yep. Not a very inspiring last season.

    I think Jillian's Biggest Loser persona is probably not how she truly trains folks. She comes off different in articles and radio interviews and podcasts. Generally, if you've motivated yourself and spent the money on a trainer, you tend to do what they order you to do. If you don't like the trainer, you just stop going--you don't go back and whine your way through a session. So, Jillian probably doesn't meet too many people who are reluctant (or outright refuse) to perform the tasks she asks of them. But regardless, I don't have that much sympathy for the contestants as they should know at this point what they're getting into.
  26. heckles

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    I suspect that Jillian benefits from the somewhat captive audience she has on the show. Although, those "urban boot camps" are pretty popular right now, so apparently some people do like that type of training. If you want a sweet-and-sensitive trainer, you buy a Richard Simmons DVD.
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    :rolleyes:
    You do know that discussions about a topic/show won't always be positive, right?
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    Apparently not :shuffle:
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    I must say that I had no idea anyone would be so offended by a discussion that has largely focused on PE classes, but there you are.
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    well, heckles did say upthread that PE was a source of stress for many people
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    that's some mighty revisionist history there :lol: or perhaps just selective memory.

    I missed the first couple weeks. Did they have Jillian arrive at the ranch on a motorcycle, like the last time she returned after taking a season or two off? :rockstar:

    Re: the kinder, gentler approach in the intervening seasons - I think TPTB were just angling for a guaranteed win for poor Bob.

    I was terrible at sports but didn't have strong feelings about PE, but the highschool I went to for grades 10-12 did not ahve PE and we had to do sports after school. In 10th grade, 2 or the 3 trimesters HAD to be competitive sports :drama: The payoff was getting to take "Senior Tennis" in 12th grade, which was completely unsupervised and meant that seniors would just buddy up and head to the tennis courts across the street from the main campus and sit around and talk...and stuff :smokin:
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    I may have been drunk at the time, but I swear the last I watched BL that Anna what's her tennis playing name was one of the trainers.

    It seems pretty insane to take morbidly obese people and put them on a treadmill, running at that. I do like watching the contestants getting healthier and transforming. The method is just too extreme for good health, maintaining the weight loss, and never mind the havoc rapid and extreme weight loss plays on the elasticity of the skin.
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    Good thing they've already been pushing the "you may not be my team but I'm still going to train you" angle because it doesn't look very good for Jillian now. :lol: Poor Sunny is in for a surprise the next time the kids get back to the ranch.
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    Part of living a "healthy lifestyle" is getting regular physical exercise. You can eat the "healthiest" food in the world, but if you don't get up off your duff on a regular basis, you will gain weight. And inches. And exercise, keeping the body fit, also generates the spirit and the mind; in fact, you have to strengthen the mind/spirit before you get to the body. It's only when you get to the point where exercise is just part of the daily routine of life, rather than the torturous hardship that too many people make it out to be, that you are rewarded with the body getting in shape. And the focus you bring to that endeavor just naturally spills over into the rest of your life.

    That's been my own experience, anyway. I've been a cyclist for the past 3 years, and have ridden 2577 miles since March 2011 (when I first started measuring my rides). Have there been times I have had to *force* myself to get out on that trail? Yup... but I am a much better person for having gotten out there instead of caving. And I have a level of focus in regards to the rest of my life now that I wish I had had when I was younger!
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    ITA totally with this. I view losing weight/getting into better shape to be a marathon, not a sprint. The goal in reality should be a complete and total lifestyle change, and exercise should be incorporated into routine on a permanent basis, not something to be dropped once you reach some "goal weight." Going from nothing to pounding away on a treadmill is the wrong way to go about it. Too much risk for injury to feet and legs - "spinning" on a stationary bike would be a lot better. Even rapid walking (like race-walking) would be better.
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    Too bad they didn't bring in experts on folk dancing, you'd have enjoyed it a lot more. The first things a dance caller must learn is how to break down the dances, explain the calls and the moves that correspond to them, and make any newcomers feel that they CAN DO IT!

    And FYI, Massachusetts just happens to be a MECCA for "traditional" music and dance, like square dancing - New England-style, NOT Western which requires you to take classes before being allowed to participate. Square dancing actually originated in the New England region of the US. Contra dancing is also very popular in Massachusetts, Vermont and New Hampshire. You've obviously never heard of NEFFA, either, one of the country's biggest, most popular folk festivals.

    Contras and squares are EXCELLENT forms of exercise, not to mention provide a social outlet as well. I dance no less than 3-4 times a month, and LENOX, MA is one of the places I go to. There is a contra dance in Greenfield, MA just about every single weekend.

    Also, FYI, at one time, square dancing was included in PE curriculums the country over by national mandate. I found this out last year at a music/dance festival I attend each February in Saratoga Springs, NY (LOTS of people from New England come over for that festival!).

    Um... where did you say you were from, again? ;)
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  38. MacMadame

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    Not everyone who doesn't exercise is fat, at least on the outside just like not everyone who exercises is thin. Exercise is about health, not weight.
  39. Rob

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    Oh yeah, I liked archery too. Only it was camp, not school. I don't think they had bows and arrows at elementary school. And I liked gymnastics because ours was after school, and there was a trampoline - we learned to do flips with a belt (no uneven bars. balance beam, or vault in elementary school). No arrows at school, but a trampoline is ok. Doh!

    I saw both the Conda season and the Vicky/Heba season. They were all bullies/game players, but Conda had such a bad attitude toward her workouts. I think she takes the prize for eye rolling, pouting, and negative attitude in the gym. For that reason, I found her less tolerable than Heba and Vicky.
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    This is not a realistic option for most schools.

    At my school, the PE teacher had a master's in dance, which included curriculum on folk dancing. And we all still hated square dancing anyway.