The Best "Pretty Princesses"

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by snoopyskater, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. snoopyskater

    snoopyskater New Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    63
    "Pretty princess" is an often used phrase on FSU, but what really makes a pretty princess in figure skating? If you could choose your own definition, which skaters would you pick as some of the sport's truly pretty princesses?

    My take on this term is someone who is beautiful, dresses in beautiful costumes, has makeup and hair look impeccable, and projects an air of confidence (note, this highly influenced growing up watching too many Disney movies, so don't be too harsh on me:slinkaway). Three skaters came to mind right away:

    Sasha Cohen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouNL5ux17c4
    Kristi Yamaguchi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbhMWtuKAts
    Sonja Henie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZn8uU-FNSw

    I'd be interested in other's picks. I wouldn't mind even hearing funny ones.

    Happy holidays everyone!
    skateboy and (deleted member) like this.
  2. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2005
    Messages:
    18,010
  3. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2002
    Messages:
    30,354
    Awww, Sasha's only clean free skate in competition that I can recall. Loved the energy from her, her glorious spiral and layback. Sniff.

    Can't argue there.
    skateboy and (deleted member) like this.
  4. spikydurian

    spikydurian New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,684
    In term of 'prettiness', Sasha. :)
  5. mia joy

    mia joy New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,124
    Isn't a "pretty princess" supposed to be a negative term?
    For me it depicts a girl who can't perform other programs than sweet, soft and overly boring, whose main point is: "look at how pretty and delicate I am". I for one do not like this kind of skaters.
  6. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2002
    Messages:
    30,354
    It can have that connotation but I don't think the OP meant it here.
  7. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2009
    Messages:
    7,591
  8. bronwynsings

    bronwynsings Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2013
    Messages:
    488
    This wins, case closed.
  9. fenway2

    fenway2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2006
    Messages:
    1,566
    Funny but I never thought of any of the original skaters listed, especially Kristi, as beautiful. Cute, yes. Beautiful, no. They all fit the other criteria perfectly though.
  10. lala

    lala Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2012
    Messages:
    1,967
    hanca and (deleted member) like this.
  11. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2002
    Messages:
    30,354
    :eek: The latest model from the Russian Pretty Princess Factory! She is amazing.
  12. umronnie

    umronnie Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2005
    Messages:
    828
  13. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    4,244
  14. dinakt

    dinakt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    3,739
    The best Pretty Princesses are lovely. The problem starts when femaile skaters are being squeezed into the "princess" mold whether it's their style or not.
    As for the good ones; how about Kiira Korpi at Europeans 2011, with "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". It's the Pretty ( gloriously gorgeous, really) Princess going slightly jazzy, with a beautiful result.
    http://youtu.be/YnU_j_ZA-tc
  15. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,826
    Alissa Czisny
  16. ballettmaus

    ballettmaus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2004
    Messages:
    1,678
    :eek: She is amazing! Such fluidity to her skating and movements and she was so engaging to watch. Do you know if she trains as a ballet dancer also? I hope she can keep that all up, she's an incredible talent!
  17. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2005
    Messages:
    18,010
    Yes I agree with that. She really is gorgeous and fits in the princess model.
  18. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2005
    Messages:
    18,010
    Wow lovely. Definitely a pretty princess.
  19. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

    Joined:
    May 1, 2010
    Messages:
    4,207
    Jenni Vähämaa was also one. I still mourn her early retirement.
  20. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,151
    Peggy Fleming
  21. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2002
    Messages:
    30,354
    Definitely. Pretty girl, pretty skating.
  22. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    25,207
    Mao Asada - lovely skater
    IceAlisa and (deleted member) like this.
  23. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2003
    Messages:
    9,970
    I agree. I hate it when skaters are forced to conform to a soft, lyrical (in the U.S. - an almost Beauty Pageant style) because it is unconvincing and obvious that it's conformist. I'm not talking about paying attention to movement and bodyline because, IMO, that's always important (even if one wanted to stray and do something more athletic and less "feminine" whatever that word means to most people).

    However, I dislike the way people have been very dismissive of skaters who excel at this style. It's almost a refusal to appreciate the positive qualities that this style brings. Pretty Princess does not necessarily equate to fake or slow or boring. I think if done well, it can be deep, thoughtful, and interesting. I think Alissa Czisny's 2010-2011 long program fits that bill. It was unusual skating music and she certainly looked put together for the routine. But I found the choreography interesting and Czisny interpreted it the best anyone could possibly interpret that music.
  24. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2006
    Messages:
    13,348
    What defines a pwetty princess type skater. If it being a balletic, feminine skater with a dainty sense about them (even if often deceiving to their tough interior) in competition, then even Michelle Kwan could be termed as one.

    Since I will define as skaters that fit atleast a somewhat enigmatic mode though I would pick Tiffany Chin 84. She had all the qualities of Cohen at her best, minus anywhere near the same spirals but hers were very good for the time all the same. On top of that though she had huge and terrific jumps, and was attempting some of the hardest of anyone at the time (eg- she was the only one who really had a triple flip then), and great basic skating, speed, and command of the ice. Shame that was the only year she skated at that level.
  25. bardtoob

    bardtoob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2005
    Messages:
    7,887
    Peggy Fleming
  26. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    25,207
    Caryn Kadavy
  27. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,151
    Katia Gordeeva
    Jennifer Robinson
  28. os168

    os168 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    869
    Li Zijun, she was the perfect Sleeping Beauty last year.

    (I hope next season when she manage to come out of her current injury funk, she will consider heavy mascara dark Gothic moody music to avoid being typecast.

    Alissa and Mao.
  29. miki88

    miki88 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2009
    Messages:
    806
    I agree with this. I think the criticism comes from the fact that many skaters attempt to skate to lyrical, classical pieces but most don't succeed because it's simply not suited to their style. However, the few that do excel in this style shouldn't be dismissed just because of that.
  30. snoopyskater

    snoopyskater New Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    63
  31. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    25,207
    Yukina Ota
  32. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2005
    Messages:
    10,666
    Sarah Meier, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ_hHbOU4MQ

    She did occasionally try to break out of the pretty princess mode, but she performed in such a delicate, gentle manner that I preferred it when she stuck to what she did best.
  33. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2002
    Messages:
    13,726
    As we've seen here, it doesn't have to be a pejorative phrase.
    I think it's a shame that it seems to be, for many people.
    loulou and (deleted member) like this.
  34. RoseAugust

    RoseAugust New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2002
    Messages:
    169
  35. all_empty

    all_empty Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2002
    Messages:
    1,174
    Agree.

    To me, the term connotes polish, good carriage, and attention to detail -- all good things.

    Of course, costuming, hair and beauty only add to the "complete package."

    Caryn Kadavy, Alissa Czisny and Kiira Korpi for sure.

    I'd add Susanna Poykio to that list (I don't think she ever had an ugly costume). Her teammate Jenni Vahamaa, too.

    Cynthia Phaneuf and Jessica Dube. And Josee Choiunard, though I never found her very elegant and would've loved to see her explore her more "athletic" side.
  36. Jessiebanana

    Jessiebanana Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2012
    Messages:
    1,476
    That phrase will always have negative connotations, because it implies something weak and delicate, which doesn't value the difficulty and worth of skating well. If I were going to compliment someone with the skating style you all describe as pretty princess, I would simply call their skating beautiful or elegant or balletic. It takes an incredible amount of strength and athleticism to carry yourself well and with ease. The airy quality comes from the lack of forceful effort required to do something. I would never describe someone I like, especially an adult or young woman, as a "pretty princess", it's demeaning.
  37. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2002
    Messages:
    13,726
    I'm using the phrase to describe a style/approach to skating programs.
    It doesn't have to have the negative connotation you - and others - believe it does.
  38. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2002
    Messages:
    30,354
    For sure. I miss her skating.
  39. loulou

    loulou Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2005
    Messages:
    1,735
    Why would you associate "delicate" and "weak"?


    Precisely: being delicate on the ice, requires fitness and technique. Lori describes Asada as someone that skates on the ice as easily as a knife warmed into hot water would cut butter. Definitely delicate, yet a compliment.


    Pretty Pricesses also are the ones who pay attention to details: in choregraphy, dressing, hair, overall presentation. I for one appreciate the effort and value the self esteem.


    I liked Sasha Cohen's Swan Lakes better in the first part of the season, when she was wearing the back-swan/white-swan dress. This performance was pretty good.
  40. giselle23

    giselle23 Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Messages:
    530
    Jenny Kirk
    Gracie Gold (in training)