The 2013 Season of Champions Curling Championships

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  1. JasperBoy

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    Scotland got the Bronze. Brewster had lots of input in the game. Denmark fought hard, but made some fatal errors.

    Did I hear wrong, or was the Danish rink's coach Scottish?
     
  2. Dave of the North

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    No, you didn't hear wrong, James Dryburgh is originally from Scotland but now lives in Sweden.
     
  3. kylet3

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    Ugh, Brad, why didn't you go for the outturn tap in two? it was there for three, instead of throwing a bullet (which didn't need more than normal) and only getting one. I think Sweden is going to trounce Canada.
     
  4. heinz

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    Sweden looks very sharp so far
     
  5. kylet3

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    Sweden is looking awesome thus far. We already need the damn gag for Fry. Had a chance to do a pretty good runback, and instead a risky draw and contradicts Brad again. That's what's going to cost Canada their fourth straight world title.
     
  6. kylet3

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    Who was the idiot yelling while Brad was throwing? :mad:

    Got that last shot started, 6-3 Sweden playing 7, game is done. Sweden are your World Champions, no way Canada is coming back.
     
  7. kylet3

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    Yep, I knew it, Sweden certainly earned it tonight, they were the better team, Brad just came out and fell flat, I think all of their intensity and emotion was probably spent on getting through yesterday and they just couldn't keep up with what was the superior team tonight. So kudos to Sweden.

    Canada has to face it, we aren't the best curling country in the world anymore, we've been met and surpassed. Not only do I predict that Canada will not win a gold medal in either men's or women's teams but that one or both may not make the podium. Even though we have the most curlers by far on the planet, it doesn't always mean we are going to be successful. International teams have figured out how to beat us and are routinely doing it. I think Sochi is going to a very dark chapter and turning point in Canadian Curling history.

    Congrats to Niklas Edin and Sweden, this has certainly been a very long time coming and they deserved it!
     
  8. kwanfan1818

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    It's not that easy being a fan of Edin and the :grope: Swedes, but congratulations to them, wheeeeeeeeeee!! I was hoping the Danes would get the bronze, but I hope they just get better and better.

    Canada played very hard to win two big ones in a row, and it was a hard way to get experience, but all of the other handful of great curling nations have had generational turnover and had to rebuild themselves with new players who had to learn by being there. The international teams are improving at a clip, but one of the ways Sweden got to the top and China improved was by playing in Canada. At the same time that they improve, they also become better known -- the TSN commentators called Canadian teams "the most scouted teams in the world" -- and the Canadians will be able to gauge their strategies and strengths/weakness over different conditions and situations, no?
     
  9. kylet3

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    I think part of the thing is these other countries when they do have the generational turnover and when they rebuild, they go with one single team (IE Lindholm retires now it's Edin, once Rhona Martin retired now it's been all Eve Muirhead, etc.) and then that single team comes over to Canada, and plays all the top Canadian teams and then knows what to expect from them and then they know how to play them.

    Canada having so many good teams is both a blessing and a curse, as opposed to another country that sends the same teams year after year, we know what teams to expect from these countries, with Canada, you don't know who is coming, it could be an inexperienced team like we got with Jacobs who don't know how to handle this type of pressure or it could be the Stoughton, Howard, Martin teams of the world. We just don't know, and it puts us at a disadvantage.

    I think Canada is in real trouble heading into Sochi.
     
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    According to the TSN people, Canadian teams are highly scouted, and international teams really have to scout only four-six teams. If, for example, the Finnish team and the Japanese team aren't playing much in North America (or playing much at all internationally), they can be a threat by not being known, and I think their records in this year's Worlds understate the trouble they caused. It's like the new guy who comes up from the minors and has a major hitting streak, until the pitchers collectively figure him out. Jacobs might not be as well known, although to the Swedes and Chinese, not as elusive, since they were playing here, but I saw Northern Ontario in lists of teams who were expected to vie for the Brier title. There was footage of the team for the other teams to analyze.

    Other nations do go with one single team, but when a (substantially) new team takes over, they become the unknown, and they need to gain experience in clutch situations. When a Canadian team is new, young, and inexperienced, it seems to me that they're in the same boat, even if they had a great tournament (Brier or Olympic Trials) to beat established teams/players, and are, on the whole, at a higher level that almost any other new international team. It took Edin four WC's to win his first title; why the young Jacobs and tribe in their first should be expected to play that much better than they did is hard for me to fathom. Even so, in the past 15 years or so, it was 50% more likely that the Canadian team was an experienced, rather than a new team.

    I wouldn't call what Canada is heading into trouble: other teams are catching up. It's more likely that an experienced team will withstand the pressures and be the Canadian team, although, maybe with this experience, Jacobs' team is one of them. However, being a tournament, you could have a new/young/inexperienced team win. They can't just tweak with the PCS to pick the team they want.
     
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  11. AragornElessar

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    All I'm going to say is that as a Northeastern Ontarian, I am so beyond proud of what Brad and the boys did this week. So very, very proud and the way Brad conducted himself and what he said in that interview w/Linda...Such a Class Act and made me even more of a fan.

    Can't even imagine the reception they'll be getting when they get back to the Soo this week. We might even be able to hear it here on the Island. :D

    One other thing...I am so sick and tired of the harping over "experience and oh, this is their first Worlds and ooooh I'm scared...." and I'm not just talking Curling here. I'm a Leafs fan who was scared to death Luongo was headed our way in a trade for that very reason, when I think we're just fine w/Reimer in net because he is a good goalie, but young. Youngin's have to get their experience somehow, but how are they supposed to do that if they don't compete on the big stage?

    So Brad and the boys had some hiccups this week, but it's also their first time at the Worlds and they're going to take what they learned this weekend and build on it. They've got the talent, now they've been to a Worlds and even w/those problems, they still came away w/a Silver Medal, but also now knowing that next time maybe they don't have to say "Yes!!" to everything that happened to them post Brier in the Soo. They said themselves that between catching up on work and dealing w/all of the stuff both the Soo Curlers Assocation *and* the city did to honour and celebrate the Brier win, they really didn't prepare all that well for this past week in Victoria.

    Okay then....Lesson learned and they'll remember that for next time. And yes, I do believe there is a next time for these guys.

    I also believe that Sochi is not going to be as bad as kyle might think. At least not on the Curling side of things. Not yet.

    As for the rest of the World catching up...IMO, how great is that!?! I may be Canadian to the core, but I am also a *Curling* fan to the core and to see just how much the game has grown around the World in the last ten years and a bit thanks to the Olympics now being a part of the sport is fantastic!!! It means the game is growing up finally and are we always going to be at the top as the years go on? No, but I also don't think that's for...maybe a decade or so from now, but not next year.

    Or at least I hope so and if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but for so many teams to be watching us and all of our teams and coming here for Coaching Clinics and whatnot....Then doesn't that also mean Canadian Curling's doing something right as well?

    Anyway....We're not in doom and gloom territory yet. One thing I do think though is that considering all that happened this week and Brad and the team giving us a Silver Medal, to right away start crapping on the parade w/"OMG....Canadian Curling is DOOOOOOMED!!!" is a bit disrespectful IMO and could have waited at least a couple of days.

    I have no problem discussing problems w/Development or what the future *might* hold in Canadian Curling, but there's a time and a place for it. Tonight's not it IMO.

    Congratulations Brad and the entire Team!!! Thanks for making this Season of Championship Curling even more special to watch for those of us here in Northeastern Ontario. :)
     
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    Exactly.

    And it took a lot of grit and focus to win the 3/4 game and the semis against two formidable teams.
     
  13. clarie

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    A silver medal is nothing to scoff at for this (new) young team. They handled themselves well with all the pressure of playing here at home. We definitely haven't seen the last of them yet. This is just the beginning, and now they know what to expect for the next time, and there will be a next time. Yes, perhaps Howard (I am a huge fan) could have gone the distance, but there was no quarantee of that or any other Canadian team doing any better..........As we say in skating..."Ice is slippery". Cudos to them for gaining the silver medal, and doing it graciously :)
     
  14. kylet3

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    I'm not saying a World Silver Medal is anything to scoff at, of course it's not and the only way that teams like Brad are going to get this kind of experience is if they actually aren't there. I know all of them really wanted to win that final, and it'll sting for a few days but I'm sure they'll put it into perspective that they won a World Silver Medal and that is a darn good accomplishment.

    What I am saying in terms of Canada potentially being in trouble for Sochi, is that kwanfan is saying, is that Canadian Teams are the most scouted in the world as she says. All of the top teams know exactly what to expect now from our teams, they're watching back, where the strengths lay and knowing how to take the Canadian teams out of their comfort zones, they also get up to play Canada. When our teams say that the maple leaf is a target on their back, they definitely aren't kidding, all the teams are getting up to play their best against us.

    It was definitely not the best season for our teams, our juniors struggled (the women especially), the adult teams had a steep learning curve, and who knows what will happen with our seniors. We have a lot of work to do heading to Sochi for sure. The best teams absolutely have the chance to be on the podium at Sochi, but there is also a chance that they could miss it, one missed shot, the wrong side of the inch and it could all be over. All we can wait and do is see who our teams are. They don't have much time to prepare, it's going to be tough, but we are going to have to give it everything we have if we want to win a medal.
     
  15. Alixana

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    Agree in part .. not so much for Sochi but certainly moving forward. And countries with full-time curlers will eventually have a huge advantage, especially if they're able to get good coaching and curling rinks.
     
  16. Alixana

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    What a wonderful thing to do........cudos to mr. Fry. :)
     
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    That's lovely. :)
    While I sometimes question Ryan Fry's on-ice comments and don't like that he second guesses Jacobs, I have no doubt he's a nice person. Classy thing for him to do.
     
  19. Alixana

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    Yes, big news for sure. Lots of speculation about who will end up where. Apparently Nedohin has already turned down an invitation from the Martin team, preferring to step back while Heather Nedohin tries to qualify for the Olympics.

    I'm just hoping that Morris doesn't end up on the Gushue team, and I'm also hoping that Gushue does not go to Martin's team. I think Brad has a team with good potential, and bringing in Morris would be a replay of the Fry situation.
     
  21. Alixana

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    Morris and Gushue together would be an explosion waiting to happen imo. Think Morris is ready for a team of his own again.
     
  22. heinz

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    The timing of John Morris leaving team Martin is interesting!! They sure didn't play as a team at the Brier, but I thought they'd go home and work in it to be ready for the Trials. Guess not!!

    Has anyone heard who might be replacing John Morris?
     
  23. Alixana

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    Someone said David Nedohin would be good but then I read somewhere that he's staying home while his wife's team goes for the Olympics?

    Interesting to see Morris hook up with Jim Cotter in BC -- calling the game as third with Cotter throwing skip stones. Curious to see how that will play out.
     
  24. Dave of the North

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    "Spending more time with his family" has already palled for Dave - he's the one! Just announced. He's like the guy on "The Vicar of Dibley"..."No, no, no, no...yes"
     
  25. Alixana

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    Olympic trials will be fun! (Huge fan of Jim as well :lol:)
     
  26. heinz

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    Wow about Nedohin joining Martin's team!! I got the impression during the Ferby years that maybe these guys weren't on the best of terms. But I suppose that can all change when an opportunity like this comes along. I'll be interested to see how the dynamics of this play out. I will miss curling over the next few months, but we have a lot to look forward to in the fall winter with the trials and Sochi!