TESSA & SCOTT #33 Our Living Legends

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  1. Lety

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    I like the pink dress, it is delicate and fits well in the program. And I had not thought about pink before and when I first saw it, I thought it was the perfect color.
    But I'd love something a liiiittle bit darker, but not a barbie pink lol
    But if she changed the color, I'd like something with the color of the ocean. Something deep. :)
  2. bmcg

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    As someone who suffered through the Barbie phase with my kids her dresses are NOT Barbie pink ;)
  3. bmcg

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    That season as well she was experimenting with different dresses. She and Marina had different visions. So it's possible that is why one of her dresses then had similar to this one.

    I agree with pani. They should wear warmer colours, they work better with the story they are trying to tell. I wouldn't mind seeing her and Scott switch colours just to see how she looks in the darker shade.
  4. Dolore

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    The Bordeaux red might be a bit too heavy for Tessa's light complexion. I hope she keeps the pink theme with a little darker shade and a dress that looks less like a nightgown. But as long as Scott doesn't wear pink everything's okay :lol:
  5. maggylyn

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    It's funny reading through these last posts and so many different opinions on Tessa's dresses. Beauty in the eye of the beholder.

    I have to say I agree with this sentiment. I detested the beige Mahler dress, I thought it was one of the ugliest skating dresses I ever saw on Tessa. I might have liked the concept a little more (maybe!) if it hadn't been for the pukey beige color. (Gag!)

    I didn't like any of the first Mahler dresses so I was really happy the one for the Olympics ended up being something so beautiful.

    As far as the present pink dress for the Seasons FD. I liked the change to a chiffon skirt, it really made it flow nicely.

    I also love the bodice, but not the illusion straps. One of the reasons I like this bodice is because it's so very different from the iconic Mahler (Olympic) dress. I think it's important this FD dress be as different as possible from that Mahler dress.
  6. blueglass

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    I actually liked the pinky-beige dress, I guess because it's a colour few can wear. Her Olympic dress was perfection. Just out of curiosity, does anyone think that if Scott had worn a tux for the SD they'd have beaten DW? That's the only thing I can find that they had over VM.
  7. sap5

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    No.

    I didn't like her Olympic FD dress. I wish the bodice had been more fitted and was a different shape overall.
  8. Daniskates93

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    I certainly hope I will be granted accreditation! I've applied! :D I'm counting down the days already.
  9. Shayii

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    Lol yea I don't think that would have helped.

    I too absolutely hated that beige dress she wore for Nats. I thought it was horrible and it goes on the bad list along with the sparkly dress from ANMHE (though people say it was spectacular live) and that sparkly black dress she tried in practice for FF.

    I hope you get the accreditation Dani! It's finally hitting me that I'm going to be there live. I really can't believe it.
  10. zilam98

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    can anyone show videos that compare body leaning vs. executing a really good edge?

    since we're talking about bladework, can someone make illustrative videos between v/m's bladework in their FD vs other teams'? that way, there's more proof to what v/m fans are talking about their skating rather than just what other teams' fans would accuse v/m fans as ubership ;)
  11. Bournekraatzfan

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    Actually, effective use and management of body lean is part of strong edging technique. What teams often lose levels on in step sequences and pattern dances is incorrectly placing the blade and then leaning onto the correct edge. Another sign of good edging technique is keeping the upper body relaxed (not throwing the body forward or into the ice).

    I wish i could make videos but i am really technologically-challenged. But there are some good ones on youtube that i used to help me with my skating.

    Btw, i hope you get accreditation, Danielle!

    Golightly, i also loved the design of that GPF/nationals dress but wish they would have done it in more of a blush/dusty rose. It looked like couture.
  12. cbd1235

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    Tessa looks best in a dress with a low cut back (ala Mahler), it accentuates her perfect posture and makes her looks more regal. I would love the seasons costuming if Scott stayed the same and Tessa had a pink dress in the same shade as the current, but with a cut closer to the Mahler or 2011 SD dress.
  13. *Ice Princess*

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    Ehy guys, I made a crazy (or maybe not) project...

    We have always accused DW to be the same in every program, saying that if you put another music does not change anything, just the costumes. Well, that's what I did. Last night, I began simply out of curiosity and to take away this doubt, but the doubt has materialized. So I decided to make these videos so as to show them to you and see what you think. I swapped the musics and programs of the past season with the current one, ditto for VM .. with the only difference that for the FD I used Mahler seen that is the object of criticism this year.

    Davis & White - I have found that 95% (or something more) of all 4 programs fits perfectly.

    DW #1 Giselle - My Fair Lady

    DW #1 My Fair Lady - Giselle

    DW #3 Notre Dame - Sherazade

    DW #4 Sherazade - Notre Dame



    Virtue & Moir - Not matches absolutely nothing.

    VM #1 And The Waltz Go On - Cheek to Cheek

    VM #2 Cheek to Cheek - And The Waltz Go On

    VM #3 Mahler - Seasons

    VM #4 Seasons - Mahler
  14. pani

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    *Ice Princess* , good joke :lol:
  15. blueglass

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    My question about Scott in a tux was actually not meant to be humorous. Wasn't White told in earlier years that the judges wanted to see him in a tux? Or am I imagining that. If costuming weren't important there wouldn't be so many posts about poor Tessa's dresses here. Sometimes I think a few of these costume criticisms are just a sneaky way to criticize her body type - not all but some. Anyway here's the question then, is costuming reflected in the final mark either officially or unofficially?
  16. Golightly

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    What? What's wrong with her body type and why would we even sneakily criticize it? We're just saying that a better dress might accentuate certain features she has. As mentioned above, she has impeccable posture. That makes her look very regal. She needs a dress that shows off her arm and back lines, like the Funny Face dress did or many others she's worn. Even last year's dress for the SD. So, no, no one here's criticizing her "body type", whatever that means.
  17. Emdee

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    Giselle and Mfl unbelievable. .....they even hit the notes!

    The Mahler beginning works with seasons but then the dance and the music part ways.
  18. zilam98

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    i don't get why you keep repeating that--that criticisms on v/m's costumes are veiled attacks on them. fans will always have opinions on what might be better or enhance their chances of winning, like saying brad pitt needs to get his hair trimmed.
  19. pani

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    I think costumes are very important, thats why skaters spend a lot off money on there skating outfit. I am not sure judges tell skaters to change outfit (i read, that ISU officials didnt like Tessas SD dress from last season), but skaters try to find costumes, wich will work with there programs better, will be more beautifull (and like Zoueva said - a lot off depend even from light at the arena).
    I think we discussed VM costumes just because we wish them to be in there best at OG. But again, all people have different opinins. Like with Mahler dresses.
    That dress from Nationals and GPF maybe look great in static (but i think this color didnt loo good on Tessa) and were very baletic, but it didnt look good in motions.
    And when i see her dress from the OG i understand, that this maybe not best dress ever, but it very simple, beautifull and look good during liftes.

    As for my favorite Tessas dresses. Waltz Triste, FF, golden for Latin FD and one from Nice SD, Carmen
  20. Sandypaws04

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    I've watched teams practice while another team's music is playing many times, where you would swear that it could be their music. I think in watching these videos you've proven that both teams could interchange their music. I thought that Scott and Tessa's Mahler-Seasons had many areas where it appeared they were "right on" the music. I don't think having music that fits a different program proves that you do the same program every year, it only proves that there are many programs choreographed to similar rhythms and beats of music, as in those montages that people make for youtube. They lay any old piece of music over a video and it works perfectly. This proves that D/W and V/M either do the same program every year or neither of them does. Look again, I think your bias is showing...just saying.
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  21. *Ice Princess*

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    ;)

    I didn't understand :D

    I'm sorry but I disagree. Of course, some steps or movements match up with other music, it is very normal. It isn't "normal" when 95% of a program fits perfectly with other music with different rhythms. If I look at TS's video I fully understand that those are not the music of the programs I'm looking at. Instead of those MC I might as well watch them without realizing that it is exchanged music.
    Just look at these other ...

    DW #5 Brindisi/Musetta's Waltz - My Fair Lady

    DW #6 My Fair Lady - Brindisi/Musetta's Waltz

    DW #7 Samson and Dalilah - Sherazade

    DW #8 Sherazade - Samson and Dalilah
  22. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Thanks IcePrincess. I remember when someone did this with Michelle Kwan's programs and they pretty much all looked the same. It adds fuel to the argument that D&W are doing a waltz instead of a foxtrot. I think Marina fits the music to their skating instead of vice versa. That's why they have been able to easily switch programs the last few years at the last minute but still come out trained and in shape at their first outing... it's all more or less the same program. Last year they worked with Alex Wong and the big improvement that came out of that was the addition of bells to a move they had done at Skate America... adding the sound effect made it seem as though they hit the move right on the music. I guess this is the "tight with the music" that the ISU wants?

    Mahler & Seasons do go very well for the first minute or so but then the difference becomes clear. It makes sense, in that both start as slow pieces of classical music. In the SD, where rhythm is so important, the difference is crystal clear. You could not mistake that foxtrot for the Waltz Goes On under any circumstances.
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  24. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Right, because no one has criticized Seasons as being a Mahler rehash....
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    I see those comments everywhere on youtube it is annoying. In FDs teams will stick to their strength but what is interesting is that in the SD D/W are not following the prescribed dance style and that is because of the music choice and yet they still get high PCS?
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  26. *Ice Princess*

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    @cherub: you got the point ;)

    But I have not done anything! DW did everything! I have not modified, cut or else the musics so as to make them fit! I did the same with TS! Many have criticized Seasons saying it was equal to Mahler, indeed, Mahler 2.0 .. so, what better way to see if it is true than to switch the musics? This is not to discredit a team to enhance another. This is only for show dates clearly visible to all. That's it.
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  27. Emdee

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    Don't bother princess. Methinks the Sandypaws doth protest too much!
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  29. pani

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    For me its clear if people wish to see Seasons is Mahler, they will. If they want gold for DW - they will and will see all new in D programs.
    So everyone could choose what she (he) like more. We are not judges and this is good thing, we hve freedom to choose
  30. *Ice Princess*

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    What does this mean? Google doesn't translate it :confused:

    :cool:
  31. Manaud

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    Not sure what the point of trolling the site of opposing users is...especially if you can't make your point. While the opening of seasons is definitely soft like others have said, once you get to the first lift, step sequence and twizzles the music is completely inappropriate for the choreography.
  32. Manaud

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    Thanks for doing this it is really amusing. I can't get over the choreo lift at the end of my fair lady. That Charlie has to hold her leg in position just kills me. My fair lady definitely do en not have the feeling of the fox trot. Maybe their program is the reason p/b were advised to change their sp. Too far on the other side of the spectrum from d/w
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    Ps one more thing. The camera shot for dw Twizzles where it zooms out really allows one to appreciate how little ice they cover. It is the same kind of shot that fan cams achieve.
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    For me, IcePrincess's experiment highlighted that Seasons is definitely not Mahler 2.0. The year's music seems to fit the Mahler program well (lots of highlights fall at the same times), but Mahler no. 5 doesn't fit Seasons, except for the first part of the program.

    On the tuxedo point, at their first GP this year one of Nicky Slater's main criticisms of the program was... the colour of Scott's shirt. :rolleyes: Something like 'white shirt or grey shirt?' seems daft to me, but to some people every detail of the costuming is an absolutely essential component of the package. I really don't think a tuxedo would have made the difference, however!
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    OMG, that is hilarious! Marina Zoueva should have used their Polka music last year in this year's SD! :lol:

    Edited: Can you make a video comparing V&M Carmen to other Carmens?

    I am trying to do a video comparison of everybody's step sequences, at least everybody in the top 4. It is hard to squish 5 in one screen.
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  36. Shayii

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    :confused: what are you talking about?

    Anyways I don't know if you guys have noticed, but iggie put up an introduction to a quote project that has been in the works for awhile. I want to thank everybody that helped in any way, shape or form, iggie for including it on the blog, and especially cherub; she put in an astounding amount of work into this and reading the little booklet was truly amazing. So thank you again for thinking of collecting these quotes and putting the work in of arranging them by year. Iggie I hope you eventually decide to put up the rest of the quotes because it truly is amazing seeing all the praise that Tessa and Scott have had showered on them. I think from time to time how lucky Tessa and Scott are to have the fans that they do.

    Completely off topic, but does anybody know why Tessa stopped being a vegetarian or has she ever given a reason in an interview?
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    Catching up on everyone's posts here (thanks for all the great tidbits).

    Finally had a chance to listen to this podcast.

    I find it both perplexing and disturbing hearing them state that both teams didn't put a foot wrong during the competition.

    Am I missing something? Why is everyone so scared about calling an error when they see D/W make one? If Canadian commentators don't do it, who will? Are they afraid of being accused of biased commentating? If so, I think they are overcompensating.
  38. sap5

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    Why not ask PJ and Kurt themselves? They both have Twitter accounts, don't they?
  39. ddtpdx

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    Unfortunately, I don't have a twitter account (and am, in general, not into the social media sphere).
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    I apologize if I've offended some of you with my comment about these costume discussions, but quite honestly that's how they come across to me. But since several of you have commented I must be wrong.