Tara May be Returning to the Ice

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  1. Rex

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    I have a bachelor's degree; the two people who were up for this gig didn't; they had associate's degrees. And THIS is a FRIGGING OFFICE JOB. One was a vet like me, the other was not.
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    For Tara, at least, I don't think money would be much of a concern; if it was a concern, I doubt that she would continue with her "acting." If Tara wants to stay in her current fields or something related (such as coaching, choreography, etc.) then I don't think college is necessary. If, however, she is interested in changing careers, then college (IMO) will be invaluable ... it would expose her to a lot of new fields and subjects that (eventually) may well help her in choosing her new career, as well preparing her for that new field -- and it would demonstrate to her future employer that her committment to her new field is as great as her committment was to her skating.
  3. lise

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    Honestly, I have a bachelor's degree and it does me no good. The only positions i am being considered for are reception or call center-type positions; believe me, this is not what I had in mind for a career. At least where i live to get anything remotely away from admin, I need a Masters which I am working saving the money to pay for it.
  4. OliviaPug

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    Never said a college degree was necessary or that everyone had to go or that one couldn't make the decision not to go. Never said a college degree would help everybody. There are exceptions to everything in life. BUT ... it can't hurt ... especially when you have the money and time to go, and aren't pursuing something so time-consuming that it would prevent you from going. Tara wouldn't have been carrying around debt and scrounging for an office job if she had gone.

    In Tara's case, of course, she can choose not to go, and she has done just that. Has it hurt her? Who knows. But for someone who has never had ANY formal education (Tara was home-schooled), being in a new environment, i.e., an academic one, even for a few classes here and there, would have broadened Tara's experience.

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  5. DickButtonFan

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    Some of you might want to look at the interview again, it's really bad. She gives the same answers and mostly one sentence answers. Shes not even always answering to the question. The interviewer isn't so great himself however so I guess it could be the interviewer who is at fault. I have watched her commentary though and found that to be bad as well.
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  6. DickButtonFan

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  7. query5

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    for me timing of coming back is funny- as michelle is basically shutting door on skating (maybe exhibitions are still open) she is coming back.
    just timing of announcing of coming back to skating is weird.
    but all the luck to her anyway.
    i do wonder if she needs money or more in (pay) per acting deal or skating so she is coming back. like she needs skating to get more money per see . or so people don't forget about her.
    but most athletes nowadays go in acting, so it is harder to keep working in acting than before.
  8. stjeaskategym

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    I'm still not convinced that interview is real. :lol: Or at least I don't think what she said was written down properly.

    Tara may not be a great commentator (I don't think she was that bad given it was her first try), but she's not an idiot, and 3rd graders could give the same response to every question. You don't have to have a college degree or even get past the 6th grade to form decent sentences.
  9. Prancer

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    Yeah, because sports commentators are known for their vocabularies.

    Dick Button has a big vocabulary, which mostly translates into people not having a clue what he's talking about, while Scott Hamilton repeats the same phrases over and over and is very popular with the general public.

    A big vocabulary isn't nearly as important as being able to speak clearly, describe things accurately, talk quickly and knowledgably off the top of one's head, and know when to shut up.

    And that's not even addressing the issue of the efficacy of a college education on the average person's vocabulary :lol:. If you want to talk to someone with a big vocabulary, find someone who reads a lot.

    A college degree is nowhere near as common or essential as a high school diploma. A ton of people go to college; most of them don't finish. This is a huge issue in academia now that people seem to think that a college degree is necessary and are pushing more and more kids into going.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-03-16-1Acollegeforall16_CV_N.htm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/weekinreview/16steinberg.html

    Indeed.

    Is there some indication that she is?

    I completely disagree with that. College can be a very painful experience for some people and a complete waste of time for others. See the links above.

    I realize that people who put a high value on college education are usually people who enjoyed college and benefitted from it, but that is not the case for everyone.

    The reverse is true, too--being homeschooled would be a new experience and broaden a lot of horizons, too, yet few recommend it.

    We could get into a nice argument about the benefits of homeschooling, but let's not, as the point is Tara--who has indeed had some formal, traditional classroom experiences and was not homeschooled for her entire educational career. She also was not homeschooled by her mother; she took a formal correspondence course--exactly as Michelle Kwan did.

    I thought her commentary was quite good and IIRC, a lot of people on this board did as well. Why did you think it was bad?
  10. Winnipeg

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    The interview sounds pretty bogus IMHO.

    She expanded on nothing and she sounded like a teenager "doing normal stuff' at her age?

    She is far more intelligent than that IIRC. At one time, she mentined she wanted to e a lawyer.
  11. euterpe

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    However, Kwan went to UCLA for a semester while she was competing. And since 2006, she has completed her bachelors degree and is now doing graduate studies.

    I do think Tara would benefit from taking some college classes, even if she didn't want to matriculate for a degree. I sometimes found her commentary cringeworthy, especially when she kept saying "expecially".
  12. Prancer

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    And? Kwan always wanted to go to college and always had that as a goal. The point was that Tara's grammar school education--which some seem to feel was lacking--was just like Michelle's, which was apparently adequate enough for her to get into UCLA.

    College teaches pronunciation? :eek: I guess that's why Jimmy Carter and George Bush stopped saying "nucular." Carter especially must have had it beaten out of him when he took those graduate courses in nuclear science.
  13. overedge

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    What?!?!? I must have missed this huge influx of athletes competing with each other for acting jobs.
  14. skatingfan5

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    Pre-Nagano (and for a bit afterwards) Tara also claimed she wanted to go to college, but it seems that the chance for an acting career had more appeal to her. Once she had a small taste of it, she's never uttered another public comment about college AFAIK.
    I'm not sure that Jimmy had any nuclear science courses -- I think he took nucular science instead. ;)

    I still cringe whenever I hear colleagues referring to getting reports finished by the end of the "physical" (fiscal) year. :yikes:
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  15. Sparks

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  16. OliviaPug

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    How would Tara know if she would have liked college or benefitted from it if she never tried it? It's not like she had to get a degree. Lots of us try things, realize it's not for us, and move on. Tara had the luxury of being able to try it out time-wise and money-wise that many folks just don't have (and who are forced to make a decision one way or the other). And being homeschooled AND taking classes in a more formal setting, such as university, would have broadened Tara's experience more than simply being homeschooled.

    I realize Tara didn't want to go to college, and that's fine, but I don't think you can argue that taking some college courses wouldn't have further broadened Tara's experience and introduced her to situations and subject matters that were new to her. And I don't think you can argue that Tara knew she wouldn't like college before she gave it a try.

    I think Tara's commentating is very good, a lot better than most of the commentators out there. I hope she continues down that path and that we see her back on the ice.

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  18. Prancer

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    Again, Tara DID take classes in a formal setting AND she's been taking acting classes, which I assume are held in a formal setting as well.

    There are a lot of ways to broaden experience, be introduced to new subject matters and situations, and meet new people. College is just one possibility and has its limitations in those areas, just like everything else.

    I don't believe I argued either one. I argued--and continue to argue--that college is not for everyone.

    You get out of education what you put into it, which is why I firmly believe that the only people who should be in college are the ones who want to be there. If you don't have the passion for learning in that particular kind of environment, then it is an awfully expensive way to put off doing something that is better suited to your personality and needs.
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    LOL... As you probably are aware, not all bechelor degrees are the same. How much you can make and what position you are considered probably depend on what you have learned in college. IMO, this has more to do with what your major is than getting a bechelor degree with no market value. Some of popular majors with a potential hefty salary are for example nursing, engineering, accounting, computer science, etc. Also what college you have graduated plays a significant role. If an individual graduated some obscure local college of no name, he/she should lower the expection for any type of hefty salary. This simply is not going to happen, and that is the way it is.
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  20. Prancer

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    I would say that getting a bachelor's in some fields and/or attending a college with no name makes it more challenging to make the hefty salary (which lise did not, in any case, say she wanted or expected), but I think saying that is it simply isn't going to happen ignores the fact that a lot of people with useless degrees and no-name alma maters are very successful--as are people who haven't attended college at all.

    Is it harder? Usually. But it's not impossible, by any means.
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    Prancer- An example of why I feel Tara's commentating is bad:

    Ksenia at worlds 2010: Tara makes a comment at the beginning of Ksenia's program that goes something like this: " I think the Russians this year are really coming strong."


    That comment was just one sentence with no explanation how the russians are becoming stronger, who, when.... nothing. She didn't elaborate at all. For the average viewer who doesn't know about skating they might want a few more sentences there. She makes a lot of comments like that which tend to go nowhere.
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    Sure it is harder, but the odds are stacked against the individual. I made some strong statement here but it does not mean that there won't any individuals however rare they might be with a great deal of success despite all this. My point here is that college majors or quality of colleges plays a significant role in potential earning.
  23. Anita18

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    Well that's what Michelle wanted to do. There's nothing to show that Tara wants to do the same thing. As long as she's happy, then who's to say what she should do?

    Exactly.

    Yeah, my bf and I would not have gotten our jobs if we didn't have bachelor's degrees. But he's in engineering (makes good money, as most engineers do) and I'm in science, so having a bachelor's in our respective fields IS required. :lol:

    For non-technical fields, the degree probably doesn't matter so much.
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    Why does everyone keep saying as long as she's happy she can do whatever she wants? When you're in a position of commentating it's not about if you're happy, it's your JOB to become better at what you do.
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    IMO, she did her job just fine. Tara explains a lot of the mechanics of skating, such as why a skater fell on a jump or why a spin might get negative GOE. She also adds some of her own personal commentary as well and she does an excellent job of pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of each competitor. She doesn't seem worse than any other commentator. In fact, I think she's very good. Can she be better? Of course she can but so can any other commentator. She doesn't need college to be a better commentator though.
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  26. Prancer

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    :confused: Well, maybe the average viewer who doesn't know anything about skating might want to hear more--or not. I don't think most people would need or want any particular elaboration on that kind of comment. IME, most people think commentators talk too much, not too little.

    But I must say that college clearly doesn't mean that people always elaborate on their claims in detail without prompting :shuffle:.

    ITA. Tara does a much better job of explaining the technical aspects of skating than either Scott Hamilton or Sandra Bezic. And you see where it got the two of them.
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    Unless they said " When I competed" I felt like she spent a LOT of time reminding us that she used to compete. It's NOT suppose to about HER, but about the skaters.... (that appears to be the personal commentary....)

    I was not impressed, but others seem to love her. I dread another season with her.
  28. Prancer

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    She does do that too much. I think she will stop as she develops confidence in the role--if she continues.
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    The constant repetition of "when I competed" made it seem as if Tara was comparing every skater to herself.

    Never mind the fact is it's been 12 years since Tara competed, and skating has changed drastically since then.
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    Yeah Tara definitely talks about her self too much but I like a little of that I guess. Dick Button just about never talked about himself and that'd actually would have been interesting.

    I think Tara has the potential to be really great just needs some kind of education class wether that's college or a non college class. It'd help her to learn from the best in such a field.
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    Um, I wasn't referring to commentating in particular, I was referring to what she decides to do with her life in general. :p
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    I wasn't responding to you just generalizing.
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    How do you know she's not doing just that right now??

    Agreed. I think she's been able to strike this middle ground between being vague and being too confusing. She can explain things clearly without losing the viewer and that's not an easy thing to do. With more practice and experience I think she could potentially approach becoming the skating version of that NBC diving commentator (forget her name again). It won't happen overnight, or (if she keeps at it) even in 5 years. But I think she's already better than NBC's "A-team" (and ABC's former "A-team" too). Maybe NBC should set her up to replace Bezic once the latter retires. Maybe I'm just getting ahead of myself and she really doesn't want to do this full-time...
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    Tara said it was "a huge misconception" that her hip was why she stopped skating.

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    That was a nice interview, definitely think that other one was not accurrate even more than before.
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    To be continued...............
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    I think that the less the commentators speak, the better. I´m just happy to hear that e.g. a jump was okay or had that or that fault.

    Maybe I remember it wrong, but I thought that during her last SOI tour 2001-2002 Tara had to cancel her performances several times because of her hip?
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  38. iarispiralllyof

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    i must be one of the few who enjoys all of the drastically different types of commentary available. it's nice to watch a performance from many different angles offered by different companies like ABC vs eurosport. if it weren't for some of the constant commentary of some american commentators, I wouldn't know what a split falling leaf or spread eagle is (i'm not a skater). also in some legendary performances it's very emotional to hear legendary skaters such as dick button or scott hamilton going bonkers and gushing along with the audience over a skater. it makes them more human.

    yet at the same time it's also often great to listen to eurosport and see how quiet and respectful their commentary is. all commentary has its positives and negatives.

    of course if u have a bias for a skater it can get annoying if you feel the commentators have a bias against them or are being way too chatty. it's bound to happen, can't please everyone
  39. Artifice

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    Totally agree with you !
    I can't get why some people stick to the position "studies don't help". It's a very bad advice to give to younger people. Studies and degrees are not everything but if one can do them he'd better go for it since it can't hurt at least, and at best you get a real good and well paid job. The more strenghts you have in life, the better. Many people who did not attend college now have trouble to get a interesting professional career. Either it was a choice or not, but now they are stick to lower positions compared to people with good degrees who pass them fast and get better jobs.
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    You are all assuming that Tara hasn't attended college when for all you know she could be taking a few classes here and there on the side. She keeps a lot of things to herself. Tara has always said in interviews that when she chooses to attend college she didn't want to do it halfway.

    And hate to drag Michelle's name in it but since people have referenced her- Michelle too has had trouble combining school and skating and by her own admission did not receive good grades at UCLA when she was skating competitively- referencing the interview she gave when she said that her father was surprised to see she was getting As after she committed herself fully to school (paraphrasing).

    People are different. Not everyone can be a Matt Savoie or other academically gifted skaters and do well in school while pursuing an activity seriously. If Tara is focused on getting acting gigs, all of her time can be occupied with acting classes, voice lessons dance etc. in addition to going out to auditions. Most people who go for acting don't make it anyway- LA is full of people who keep trying for jobs. But sometimes they get lucky and Tara seems to be in a financial position where she can pursue this career. If she enjoys the pursuit and the people she meets along the way, more power to her.

    I also agree with Tangerine Dream. The only reason why employers require college is because there are so many people with degrees and it is used as another measure to weed people out.