Suzy Favor Hamilton - Ex. US athlete admits she worked as an escort

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  1. MINAM

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  2. overedge

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    She was touted as the great hope of American track in the mid 1980s, and then had a lot of injuries and personal problems (partly brought on by her own high expectations, and of those around her). I get the sense she had a really hard time dealing with not becoming a consistently world class runner, and then with not being a runner at all.
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    Thanks.

    I don't think Disney will be pleased.
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    New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/s...-escort-job-and-emotional-struggles.html?_r=0
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    What does working as an 'escort' really mean? Since her husband was aware of what she was doing, I think all she did was provide platonic companionship to men on public "dates".
  6. overedge

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    'Escort' agencies don't charge that sort of $$ for platonic companionship.
  7. Skittl1321

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    Yeah, but if she was working as a prostitute why wouldn't news agencies call it that? Call a spade a spade. I'm also very confused what they mean exactly by escort. Especially since she is married, and while her husband doesn't like her doing it, he's still with her. I don't really believe in divorce, but I think finding out my spouse had a side living as a prostitute, and continued with it after a discussion would be pretty decent grounds for divorce.
  8. michiruwater

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    For you it would be. For him, apparently not.

    Escort can mean all sorts of things, which is why they aren't calling it flat-out prostitution because it's different. For $600, yes, you can bet that sex-for-money was part of the deal, but you can bet that there was more than that as well. Prostitution normally refers to something more like what we see in the movies. Escorting is more... I guess I would say high-class, for that sort of thing. The woman (or man; there are male escorts) will normally dress nicely, there might be a real date or a function involved, etc.

    However, I'm sure the magazine doesn't know the specifics of what kind of dates, etc., she provided. So all they can really do is call it 'escorting' and let the imagination run wild.

    Personally, I've never understood why prostitution is illegal. I think it should be made legal, taxed heavily, and measures should be put in to make sure everything is safe and clean and the girls aren't abused. But we still live in a society where Sex Is Bad.
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    I never understand why things like this are news. Consenting adults. She and her husband (and daughter), may have some things to work through, but so do most husbands, and wives and kids. No one's business but theirs.
  11. numbers123

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    for me this falls in the category of "so what"? Her husband knew, didn't like it, but stayed with her.

    No one seems to care to name the escorted men. I think that it falls into the "women should never enjoy sex and would not want multiple encounters whereas men will also think about sex"" Maybe she enjoyed it but now that it is public information, she feels she has to defend why that is acceptable to others (having issues with ppd, or ptsd or whatever). I am not saying she didn't have those issues, but that it sort of falls in the category of reasons that one might make to make the actions acceptable to others.
  12. Prancer

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    As with most things, however, it's not that simple. Legalizing prostitution tends to lead to an increase in sex trafficking, among other things.

    I'm not certain it is possible for sex workers to not be abused in prostitution. Or perhaps exploited is a better word.

    Not in this case, perhaps, but when a man who is famous for something else is caught hiring prostitutes--or escorts--he is named, no?

    I think that if all she wanted to do was have sex with multiple men, she could have done it in a much less complicated way. The fact that she chose to become a prostitute rather than just a woman who had sex with multiple men just because she enjoys sex would be more indicative of psychological problems than not, but perhaps that's just me.
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    I think she needed the cash.
  14. Prancer

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    According to the first article:

    She lives in Madison, Wis., where, The Smoking Gun reported, she and her husband, Mark, live in a $600,000 home and appear to be in no financial distress based on the website's review of court and municipal records.

    Now they could still be in financial trouble, of course. But I think more people would understand "I was broke" than "I was depressed" as a reason for going into prostitution. I would sure use the former as an excuse before I'd use the latter. That could just be me, though.
  15. Coco

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    Lots of people are cash poor and can hide it well.

    Or maybe her hubby controlled the $$.

    If she really did this for the $$, she might find that so shameful that she'd rather blame depression.

    I think she was just an andrenaline junkie and needed a rush that normal illicit affairs couldn't provide.
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    But if you are good at something (and I don't know whether or not she is) and someone is willing to pay you for your abilities, why turn it down?

    Let's see,if someone plays basketball well, in fact excellent, but it is just a game, why not get paid for it - like the are? We don't attach diseases, or place a stigma on it, we pay them big dollars to see them play.

    Just sayin' she is or is assumed to be really good at it - hence the high price of the 2 or 4 or however long session, why not obtain monetary benefit from it?
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    This shouldn't have become a public matter.
    It should have remained between Ms, Hamilton, her husband, and her doctor.
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    I personally never saw anything wrong with escorts/prostitution. It should be legal. It's her/his body and they should choose what they do with it.

    I agree.... how come the people who pay for the escort service are never mentioned? How many Disney CEO's have used an escort service? More than we probably think.
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    This shouldn't have become a public matter.
    It should have remained between Ms, Hamilton, her husband, and her doctor.
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  21. Prancer

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    You consider professional sports and prostitution analagous?

    Do you think the psychological effects are the same?

    Eliot Spitzer
    Hugh Grant
    Jerry Springer
    David Vidder
    Ted Haggard
    Jimmy Swaggart

    I can do a much longer list if you need one, but that list right there is longer than the list of escorts I could name off the top of my head.

    Ugh, skatesindreams, that is some glitch you get.
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    The news agencies probably didn't call her a prostitute because prostitution is illegal in some jurisdictions. If she hasn't been convicted in court of being a prostitute, then there could be legal problems (like libel or slander) with calling her that.

    "Escort" agencies call themselves that for precisely that reason. So if they are busted they can claim that they aren't pimps or brothels or living off the avails of prostitution. All they are doing is making the bookings for men to have a nice night out with these women, and they certainly aren't telling the women they have to sleep with the clients, oh heavens no.

    Also, apparently there's a fair number of escort agency clients who like the name "escort" because it helps them convince themselves that they're not buying the services of a prostitute, or cheating on their significant others. Prostitute/hooker = streetwalker picked up for a quickie. Escort = lovely classy lady who is charming and who you spend some time with, in addition to the quickie.

    (This according to my students who are in law enforcement/corrections.)
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    No, I was just trying to point out that perhaps she really was good at what she did, like it, and good paid well for the activity. I am not saying that there aren't psychological effects or that someone is unaware of what those are. Just maybe she liked being an escort, we really don't know. But I still think that it should be a "so....what?" and a private matter.
  24. Prancer

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    The very first line of the first linked article is: Three-time Olympian Suzy Favor Hamilton says she coped with depression and a troubled marriage by turning to a life of prostitution.

    I guess I find it hard to believe that anyone "likes" being an escort, particularly when the person says that she was working as an escort because she is depressed and struggling.
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    I've known people who worked in the escort business - male and female. While some didn't feel comfortable in it, others enjoyed it very much. Especially the money.

    While I can understand why she may have gone into the escort business because she was struggling financially, I don't understand why she got into it because she was depressed. The depression part makes little sense, unless she was depressed about finances.

    It's a profession that isn't for everyone. But there really are escorts who "like" their profession.
  26. overedge

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    "A life of prostitution" is not the same as specifically calling a particular person a prostitute.
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  27. MacMadame

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    I dont' think you can make a blanket statement like that. I think the price a man would expect sex would vary as would the price a women would be willing to put out for.

    It seems to work in other countries.

    I do! I consider being a computer consultant somewhat analagous to being a prostitute as well. That's where the name "MacMadame" came from. I was a computer consultant at the time specializing in jobs that involved Macs.
  28. Prancer

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    The data on sex trafficking in countries with legalized prostitution comes from those countries.

    Roughly 75% of women who work as escorts--not street prostitutes, but escorts--attempt or commit suicide. Sounds like they really enjoy the work to me and it's no different from any other job.
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    This article addresses some of those issues - it's all speculation of course, so who knows how accurate it is, but it does raise some interesting issues. I think the article also addresses one of the reasons that people find interesting what in most cases would be a private matter - the whole idea that someone who seems to have it all is still struggling with issues.
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    I used to think prostitution should be legal, with many of the arguments presented here.
    But after I talked with people who worked with prostitutes and read more data I think buying sex should be criminalizes.
    The myth about 'the happy hooker' is just that - a myth. A very small percentage of people in the sex industry does I voluntarily, or wouldn't choose another type of work if they could.

    And this might be in addition to trafficking issues...
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    Prostitutes are not happy people, and men do not pay $600.00 simply for the company of a charming, attractive woman.

    That's a blanket statement, and after working in the adult sector for ten years as a dancer and dominatrix, I feel qualified to make it.
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    Where else would it come from?

    In what countries? Ones where it is legal or illegal? If there is a stigma to the job, of course there are going to be unhappy people doing it. If the stigma is gone, that is going to change the dynamics of the job.
  33. Prancer

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    More than 80% of sex workers in the Netherlands--where prostitution is legal--are trafficked. You consider this a system that works?

    Overall. And just because something is legal does not mean that there is no stigma attached. Otherwise, why would women be trafficked to fill the jobs?

    Numerous studies show that between 70 percent and 90 percent of children and women who end up in commercial sex were sexually abused prior to entry. No other industry is dependent upon a regular supply of victims of trauma and abuse.

    http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...lizing-prostitution-leads-to-more-trafficking

    This is what works? This is what having no stigma looks like?
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    For the same reason that men are brought in to some countries by Mafias to work in construction, so they(the mobsters) can control them and take a big cut off their payment. The job isn't illegal and there's no stigma attached, it's about control.
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    Because she is a former olympic athlete. If she was joe-schmo from Iowa, the media wouldn't give a hoot... :shuffle:
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    Would most Americans know who she is?
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    No, but if the story is in print they will read it because of the words former olympian.
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    Ha, work just blocked my access to this page when I tried to reply to Prancer. :lol:

    Anyway, on the one hand, you say there is stigma. But then you say that the system doesn't work so it proves having no stigma wouldn't change the system. That is not logical.

    The question is: if there wasn't a big stigma around women having sex with multiple partners, let alone being paid for it, how would that change the dynamics of the system. If there are no places in the world where there isn't a stigma attached, then we can't use those systems to postulate how not having a stigma would change things. If there are places, then we can.
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