Survivor Philippines (Season 25)

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Catherine M, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. Jenny

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    Indeed! That really surprised me.

    Interesting! And yet we've seen pretty much zero interaction between Denise and Lisa, and you'd think with all Lisa's issues Denise would have been working her in a big way. Perhaps Denise is a tad starstruck??

    And if Penner didn't figure it out on his own, perhaps that's why we never got the big reveal/payoff I was bemoaning earlier in the season. Once he knew, he realized oh yeah that's her, and just started talking to her about it.
  2. genevieve

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    what surprised me more is that the tribe didn't give her any feedback about it as she was bidding - I expected at least someone to say, let's let him buy something for $20.

    Have we see Denise talk about having known who Denise is? I don't remember seeing anything about it.

    :rofl: I doubt it - I think she's probably just playing strategically. Denise is definitely a behind-the-scenes string puller (not unlike Tina!), although we got to see far more of Tina's machinations in S2...the fact that editing hasn't revealed things that we find out Denise said or directed makes me think she doesn't make it to the final :wuzrobbed
  3. Myskate

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    According to another thread I follow, Carter won another auction that wasn't shown on the telecast. Something about chicken parts: feet, heads, etc. He got to eat that and said it was delicious. Obviously, not everything taped is shown on the show. Production must not have thought it was necessary to show his personal win but it certainly did make Lisa look bad to the audience. I'm sure production must have known how it would look. My question is: Why?
  4. Jenny

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    That's absurd - not that I don't believe you, but that the editors did that. The auction had no gross food, and chicken parts would have fit the bill - watching the others gross out, and showing Carter enjoying it. And it would have explained Lisa's odd choice and the fact that no one seemed disturbed by it.
  5. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    It was odd that there were no gross items under the baskets - that's what used to make the auctions so interesting - sometimes someone would blow all their cash on gruel that they'd been eating all along, or some local "delicacy" that is considered very unsavory to our western palettes.
  6. Myskate

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    Ok, here are a couple of Lisa's twitters about the food auction:
    Lisa Whelchel ‏@LisaWhelchel

    Would like to clear up something...Carter won & ate meat before the last item. I'm not THAT greedy. It just didn't make the edited cut.

    Lisa Whelchel ‏@LisaWhelchel

    Albeit, the plate of food he won had the feet and eyes still on it but he said it was "delicious." I just think we were hungry! :)
  7. Jenny

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    That's bizarre. I have been enjoying this season very much, but this selective editing is annoying. There are key things being cut out that either leave us :confused: or are downright misleading, as in this case.
  8. Myskate

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    I love the gross-out food item when it is won. The contestants usually will eat anything by that time. I was very surprised during the auction that nobody got a bad item. Remember when they would win a glass of water? For all we know, someone who saved a little money might have gotten a steak dinner or something. Didn't Penner have 400$ left over? He must have bought more too but they didn't edit that in.
  9. Prancer

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    Penner said that he won something else besides the chicken, but I can't remember what it was right now (an ice cream sundae, maybe?). But they've always edited the auctions. I remember people talking about steak dinners and such in previous years, both in terms of food wins and things like swamp water, that haven't been shown.
  10. my little pony

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    it was an ice cream sundae
  11. snoopysnake

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  12. Cherub721

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    Random but all the talk of food made me remember that challenge they used to have where the winner got to select everyone's meals, from the steak dinner all the way down to just a glass of water. They did that on the first all stars. It would be really perfect for this season since there are so many sub-alliances and it would force some people to reveal where their true loyalties lie.
  13. snoopysnake

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    I remember that was Rupert. He had steak and wine and gave Boston Rob a cheeseburger and beer, Amber a sandwich and soda, Alicia salad and bottled water, Shii Ann rice and "Survivor" water. I forget who got just water. Rupert was not in an alliance with Rob but wanted Rob to think Rupert was being nice to him.
  14. smurfy

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    After tonights episode, and with comments here: Denise is so not winning
    and either Malcolm or Lisa are winning. The editing is so obvious
    So much time spent on Lisa with her brother and her finally realizing to vote out Malcolm and then he wins immunity. Seems like filler.
    They didn't even spend any time showing Malcolm and Denise talking about his choices for the reward. They have not shown them much anymore, and I believe they probably are still close and talking.

    Carter - he had a good comment about the others talking about people deserving to be there and then it being between him and Abi.
    Carter is a young kid, maybe much brighter than we saw, if I was in power, I would bring him back in a few years. Let him mature, learn from this season, he could come back and be underestimated by folks and do much better.

    Abi - still annoying. She never listens to another person. But she is the only unpredictable thing left.
    I am really missing Penner!
  15. Kasey

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    I felt bad for Carter, but they were voting smart. I'm terrified that Abi will win immunity next week; ugh, what a completely clueless, unpleasant human being. It is interesting though, to think of what the power of the final four really is; I think Skupin, as opposed to Lisa is on the bottom, with Lisa being third. But if any combination of Malcolm, Denise and/or Lisa make it to the final, it should be interesting to see who wins.
  16. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Sadly, I agree that there is no way Denise is winning. And BTW - she's straight?!? :eek: that was unexpected :lol:

    I normally loathe the family visit episodes, but even cynical me was moved by Lisa's outright need to see her brother. even if I'd assumed from the previews that it was her son :p. And OMG Carter's mom is teensy weensy! She might be shorter than Denise!

    AAARGH, Abi is so awful, but of course they kept her. It's not just about the likeability factor (in fact I think she is now a threat in the finals just as an alternative to the strategists who've pissed the jury off, aka the Vecepia factor), but keeping Carter would have increased the odds of having one of the core 4 alliance go out at 5 by a lot.

    I was really hoping that Lisa's renewed interest in strategy would pay off, but of course Malcolm won immunity, sigh.

    Now that Penner's gone, no more alliance shifting :wuzrobbed

    I think I'm rooting for Skupin :lol:
  17. MarieM

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    Noooooooo I want Denise to win !!! please !!! Not Lisa !!!
  18. Jenny

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    The difference is though that Vecepia got to the end and won by default - her "strategy" was to avoid drama in a cast that had a lot of dramatics, so she won. Abi OTOH, loathesome as she is, is actually playing the game. Her social game completely sucks, but she's scrappy and ballsy and frankly deserves to be there IMO.

    Voting off Carter was definitely hypocritical, and that could come back to bite one or more of them. They touted the high ground, and now I'm sure at least one jury member will call them on it, and it could buy Abi a vote in the end. Pete and Artis are already on her side, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff is now too, and Carter.

    But I was yelling at the tv - so vote out Denise you idiots!!! :wall:

    I don't understand why they are only focused on Malcolm, when part of Malcolm's power quite obviously comes from Denise, who also just happens to be nice, smart, physically gifted and oh yes, A THREAT TO WIN IT ALL. Sheesh. I know I was complaining that they were ignoring Carter, but I think they still were - they didn't vote him out because he was a threat, they actually voted to keep Abi.

    Now, among many dangers such as her winning a challenge (there's always an endurance near the end, and she's determined), she's also now the wedge vote who has zero loyalties except to herself. Handy if you need her to help you with a blindside, not so good if that blindside is you.

    As for that reward, again :wall:. Lisa makes sense - solidifies her loyalty, the kind of thing Penner should have done. But Skupin?? There was no need to solidify his loyalty with Lisa already taken care of. Instead, on the assumption that Carter and Abi were not going to make it to the end, he should have picked one of them to buy their jury vote, and that of their friends. Abi maybe not as the rest of the tribe wouldn't have forgiven him, but Carter could have been a great choice. Or, of course Denise. Everyone already knows you're aligned so no big reveal, and you need to reward her for her loyalty almost more than Lisa and Skupin. Remember Grant and Boston Rob? Could happen again, because these two are going to have to turn on each other at some point.

    In other words, anyone but Skupin would have been a better choice :lol:
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  19. genevieve

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    I think I sad last week - and I meant to say it last night - that Abi is no longer a smart choice to take to the finals. Artis and Pete are in her alliance and will likely vote for her (based on Ponderosa vids Pete might have voted for Penner, and still might vote for Malcolm, but not if Abi gets to keep playing ostracized victim :rolleyes: in TC). Jeff is so pissed about being had that he would likely vote for Abi precisely because the better players voted him out :drama: (i.e. the Rotu 4 Bittah Vote). The longer Abi stays, the longer she gets to look like an underdog who stayed despite all odds, and gets to play that she has been "too honest" throughout the game (even though she hasn't been), while the rest of them have flipped alliances and said this was about good people vs game play and then they voted out Carter. RC is the only person who can really be counted on to vote against Abi at this point.

    I know, right?!?! The only thing I can think is that people felt that Malcolm might give her his HII. I can't believe her name NEVER came up, so I with we'd seen some discussion to know how things moved away from her.

    mmm, I totally saw it as them fearing his immunity potential. And maybe a little uncertainty about whether Abi really does have the HII or not - wish they'd split their votes to give Abi 4 votes (including Carter's vote) and Carter 1, so that if she did have an HII Carter would have gone home. The frustrating thing is that Carter - while making a physical threat surge late in the game - has done NOTHING strategically and would have been the absolute best person to be in the finals with :drama:

    Totally should have picked Denise as his second person. Not only would it make sense/offend the least people (because their alliance is well known), but it would have prevented the so called "god bonding" which then motivated Lisa to get back in the game. Again, Malcolm won immunity so it worked out ok, but way to give a strategic advantage to the other firm 2 person alliance in the game :duh:

    BTW, Lisa may be the only person* in the history of Survivor or other competitive reality shows who is shown talking about her faith in a way that is not irritating. Her beliefs clearly run strong and deep, but her faith isn't about what god can do for her, it's about what she can do with god. It's refreshing. She is fascinating.


    *Actually, Kaysar from BB6 was also non irritating in talking about his faith and the way it impacted his game
  20. snoopysnake

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    They really tricked me with the promo for last night's show the week before. I thought Malcolm's brother was making fun of Carter, as opposed to Malcolm, and that little brother's comments were going to turn Carter off Malcolm. I felt bad for Abi's mom who can't catch (I am even worse.) I could imagine millions of viewers laughing at her for something she can't help. Abi must go next, if she does not win immunity.
  21. Jenny

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    genevieve, ITA with your entire post.

    re Abi's "honesty" - I thought it was really telling about her character when she said that if she lied long enough about her fake idol, people would believe it, and that she was even starting to believe it herself. I've known a few people like that - they so want to convince you of something that they do actually start to believe their own lies. It would certainly explain how she was completely oblivious to the fact that she betrayed RC, not the other way around.

    re the idea that Malcolm would give Denise his HII - first, I'm thinking not. He's very loyal to her, but not enough to give up his idol when he knows he's a target whose name has been written down before. Plus, the bonus would be that he eliminates her as competition, and keeps his hands clean. BUT - for the others, I also can't believe they didn't discuss not just this possibility, but that Malcolm would play it himself.

    I wondered if they would approach Carter, who I think might've told Abi, and then she would have likely leveraged the info to fully split the alliance of 4, with her coming up roses. Based on the previews, maybe that's exactly what she's about to do.

    Which brings me to the previews from last week :rolleyes:. Do the network people or production people who cut those even watch the show? Malcolm's brother was a goof, but zero threat to his game. Don't get me started on last week's previews of Nashville, which comprised entirely of cuts from the last five minutes of this week's show.

    re Carter - you are exactly right. They could have brought him along, and still beat him on the basis of gameplay, keeping their high ground intact. Slight danger that his old pals Jeff and Penner would vote for him, but I do think Penner will vote for the best player, and if the others are bitter against you they're going to be bitter either way.

    Also agree re Lisa's spirituality. So, so different than the prayer circles of previous years. She just, such a darn nice person!

    Interesting to think that Denise knows who Lisa is. It would be truly nasty to out her at final TC, but what if she was crafty about it when asked why she (Denise) deserves the money and the title of Survivor. She could say something relatively innocent like "she's had her moment in the spotlight, and I really need this money." For those who know who she is, it gets the point through (especially if they assume she's still got money); for those who don't, it plants a seed that maybe she's got money or something else is going on. We didn't know Denise told Penner (until Prancer told us), so I wouldn't be surprised if she told Malcolm too.
  22. Erin

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    I started to cheer when she said that God isn't going to help one person win over the other, that he doesn't work like that. I might not agree with her beliefs, but I can absolutely respect them (something I've said about people in real life, but rarely, if ever, a reality show contestant).

    On the reward picks, I thought that Malcolm's picks would have been good if they were going away on a reward - that way, he leaves Denise at camp to keep an eye on Carter and Abi while he bonds with their F4 alliance-mates. We've seen many other people make the mistake of bringing their allies on rewards and leaving too many people to plot back at camp. As a fan of the show, Malcolm would have seen that too...the problem was that going back to camp with the loved ones makes it not as bad to reward your number one ally, and I agree that in this case, he should have picked Denise over Skupin.
  23. genevieve

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    I did wonder if he and Denise have ever discussed this..she looked bummed to not be picked but she could have been hamming it up. She certainly didn't seem mad afterwards.
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    I was so ready for Abi to be gone from my TV. I think if she wins, I will be done with Survivor. Not that it hasn't been entertaining, but she really does seem like a nasty, clueless person to me, and I don't need to watch that any more. Of course i have been sucked in to this season so I can't stop right now!

    I think I am still rooting for Malcolm and would be okay with Denise or even Skupin winning. Lisa is annoying to me as well, with all her whining about whether she can play the game, how she should play the game, and so on. And the prayer that they did was still annoying to me. Well, we know God is not going to help one person to win but we'll ask him to bless our plan anyway. :rolleyes:
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    It's been a half a week and I am still chuckling of Malcolm's comment of, "[Abi]'s so annoying around camp, she's like a soul-sucker. She's like the dementors from Harry Potter." ............. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
  26. MarieM

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    I thought I heard it wrong, but it seems not :lol: :rofl:
    That episode left me with something of a question mark. Abi can't win. I think the boys can't win. So it'll be beyond Lisa and Denise IMO.
    I like both, but Denise should win or I'll kill Jeff !!! :cold:
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    Probst or Kent?
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    The final 5 are going to be on the Jeff Probst Show today. Short notice, as it airs in a half hour here, but figured I'd post in hopes that some of y'all can catch it :)
  30. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Jeff Probst has a show? On regular tv?
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    You don't remember him pimping it out at the last finale?
  32. Jenny

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    And didn't they move around the production schedule to accommodate his show schedule?
  33. genevieve

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    I must have blocked the pimpage.

    seriously, what channel is it on?
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    It's on the FOX entertainment channel here.
    I caught the last few minutes of the show today. Abi had lots of make-up on and still looked mean.
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    CBS here. Daytime television. Dull as dishwater.
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    I tivo'd it. Will watch when I have a chance.
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  37. Prancer

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    This isn't relevant to this season, but it's Survivor gossip and I think it's kind of LOL; I've been meaning to post it for a while, but kept forgetting.

    Remember when David Murphy of Survivor: Redemption Island proposed to Carolina Eastwood of Survivor: Tocantins on the reunion show? She seemed less than thrilled and everyone wondered if it would last?

    They have broken up--because David was sneaking around with Alicia Rosa, the special ed teacher from last season. Carolina found out when she went through the text messages on his cell phone (am I the only person who deletes messages every day as a matter of course?) and took it to Facebook, where it dragged on for a while. Alicia swore that David told her he had broken up with Carolina; Carolina sneered that she knew better because she read the texts, bitch! David has been completely silent, just as you would expect.

    And yet, Jeff didn't have them all on his show. :lol:
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  38. genevieve

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    There is an article in this week's EW about a movie with Barbara Streisand and Seth Rogen - lots pics. One in particular makes Babs look a lot like Abi. Now, la Streisand does look pretty good, but...the woman is 70 and has had a LOT of plastic surgery and it shows.

    Prancer: zOMG! is that on Sucks?
  39. Sparks

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  40. Prancer

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    It was on Sucks a while back, but not in the Spoilers or show discussion forum--I think in their version of OTBT? But there was a thread about Survivor couples and who was still together and who wasn't, and I think it was included in that.

    It's also on David, Carolina and Alicia's Survivor Wiki pages and there are some links, but I didn't check them out :lol:.