Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains (Threads Merged)

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by victorskid, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. indicatoto101

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    If JT wins this season, it's going to take a miracle, or some mega effective brainwashing from him. He's seen as untrustworthy and is not an ideal alliance member except to take to the final 2, but even then you worry if he will stab you in the back. Even strategy-less Amanda sees his shifty ways. She rode Cirie's tail and now is riding James' (this sounds funner than it actually its :lol: Wheee!). As soon as James is voted off, she'll find somebody else to get behind so I don't think anybody needs to worry about their alliance as I doubt it will get past the merge.
     
  2. MarieM

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    Russel HAS to win. NA !
     
  3. Prancer

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    Yes, that was an AMAZING swimming pool, wasn't it? :eek:
     
  4. Jenny

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    Yeah, JT is sure skating on thin ice right now. I was so looking forward to his spinning the tribe about the Cirie vote when they got back, and he did a decent job, but not with this crowd. One of the WORST things you can do is be unpredictable in this game, which is why I think he voted out Tom and not James.

    I have to think that he's going with Amanda/James/Rupert on the assumption that they have friends on the other tribe (Parvati/Courtney/maybe Sandra for Rupert, outside shot I know), whereas Tom/Colby/Candice have no one. He must also think he can sway Candice, which I think he can (note that Candice voted out Tom). Colby is alone now.

    In other words, I think it had nothing to do with the strength of the team, because they haven't been winning anyway, so why keep up that way of thinking, and why not move ahead to strategy?

    I wonder if JT is also hoping to work with Coach and Tyson on the other side.

    Also, isn't there some connection outside the game between JT, James and Russell? That might be coming into play as well.

    :rollin: for the impending Russell vs Rob Battle! "He's not playing with amateurs anymore."

    And seriously, does Rob kill at this game or what? He builds fire without flint, he runs the camp, and he leads the win at every challenge - physical and mental.

    Russell is playing it stupid I have to say. Not participating in the beach meditation was such a silly mistake, especially when they all knew what he was doing. How can he think that idol is going to help him when they all know he has it? It buys him three more days, that is all.

    I also thought targeting Coach was stupid when he's so obviously worshiping Rob. But then again, knighting him seemed to bring it in hook line and sinker, so maybe Russell is reading him better than I am.

    Moment when Russell's wife whacked him on the couch last night as they watched the show: Parvati wearing Russell's hat at the chocolate reward. :hat1:
     
  5. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    That's exactly what I thought! Voting along alliance lines when your tribe keeps LOSING (instead of voting out the person least likely to help you win challenges) is just STOOPID. This tribe is going from hero to zero very, very quickly.

    J.T. isn't too bright. He should have just told Rupert and Amanda, "James is injured badly enough that he can barely walk...tonight we vote him out and then next week, we vote with Candace to vote out Tom". I've never thought J.T. was as bright as others have...

    Russell will play the idol next tribal council and the person he wants gone will be gone. The next day, Russell will find the new immunity idol, which he will play at the following tribal where the next person he wants gone will leave. Repeat and serve. :lol:
     
  6. Jenny

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    Not so fast - if everyone knows he has an idol and plans to play it, all they need to do is either a) make him think he's getting the most votes so he'll play it, when in fact someone else is targeted or b) ensure that another target has more votes than Russell can scrounge up for Rob.

    Turning people against Rob is going to be difficult as long as there are two tribes - he's an asset at camp, and the biggest reason they keep winning challenges.

    Mind you, it's possible that Parvati already has Danielle in her court (royal reference, not tennis, :lol:), but I can't see them getting Jerri or Sandra. Courtney seems more the type to stick with the guys, and I also don't see her falling under Parvati's spell. Tyson might want to make a move on Rob, but I suspect he'd rather wait until after a merge, plus he'll want to keep at least one person ahead of himself on the boot list.

    Coach may have been honoured by Russell, but he still worships Rob.

    Here's how I think it could work: Russell, Parvati and one other person vote for Rob, while the rest of them split their votes 3-3 between Russell and Parvati. Either Russell or Parvati plays the Idol, and we now have a tie between Rob and one of them, and a revote. Rob gets three votes, Russell or Parvati get 6, case closed.
     
  7. Prancer

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    There's an Insider video of JT talking about his vote, and he said pretty much what Jenny said--that they weren't winning anyway, so Tom wasn't much of an asset in challenges, and James was a sure vote, while Tom wasn't. When he voted for Tom, he said he thought Tom was a great guy, but there were too many leaders in camp.

    I got the distinct impression from the Insider videos that Tom was a source of some friction in the camp; he really doesn't like James or Rupert, and Rupert doesn't much like Tom, either.

    I can see Jerri turning on Rob. She was REALLY pissed at him in last week's Insider vids and she owes him one for Lex on the first ASS. Hard to say what Courtney might do; every now and then, a pale wraith crosses the screen and I remember that she's there. Same with Danielle--she is the Brett of this season.

    Yeah, but Rob isn't doing much to make Coach feel valued, and I think that, combined with Coach thinking that his word means something, might work against Rob there. Coach wants to be Rob's new Amber*, but he clearly isn't.

    *There's a pretty funny Insider vid of Tyson talking about how Rob had told him that he was Rob's new Amber. Then it turned out that Rob had also told Jerri that she was his new Amber. Tyson thinks maybe he shouldn't ask Rob about that quite yet because their relationship is still pretty new and he isn't sure Rob's feelings for him are deep enough for that kind of open, honest discussion :lol:.
     
  8. Jenny

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    Indeed, it did seem like Tom and Stephenie before him were just rubbing people the wrong way all over the place, and that shadow is on Colby now too. I don't quite understand why Amanda and James are loyal to Rupert, but then again, some people seem to like the guy and it worked for him in the first All Stars with whatsherface.

    Also glad to hear that I'm thinking the same way as my JT :)

    Good point about Jerri and Rob - at the same time, she sees what Parvati's all about and while she might be willing to work with her, I don't think she will want to risk/be seen as following her. Jerri really seems to have grown up and evolved since we last saw her, so I can see her making decisions that are thoughtful and strategic, as opposed to based on vengeance for Lex or high school-type drama. Definitely someone I'm watching this season.

    And yes the Coach thing is worth considering further. As it was happening, I'm yelling out "stupid, he worships Rob!" while hubby is saying, "but Russell's playing right into his values, and that's what matters to him most." Rob is a smart player as we all know, but if he has a weakness it might be in reading other people - Russell OTOH is pretty good at it, and seems to be speaking Coach's language.

    I'm also interested to know how much influence Tyson has over Coach as a third factor in this. Tyson knows how to play Coach, and I think since Brazil he's likely done a lot of honest introspection and game analysis on where he went wrong. My bet is he knows exactly what he's doing, is loving the Russell/Rob rivalry and is making full use of his prior relationship with Coach. I wonder what his plan is in regards to JT - old friend, or boot priority #1? Maybe both.

    It would be great to find out that Tyson is also working Danielle and Courtney - and that aside from Sandra, the tribe loyalty toward Rob has more to do with Tyson than we or Rob think.
     
  9. Jenny

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    Just watched a couple of the vids - JT made another point that I think it quite smart. They're losing anyway, so will likely go into the merge the weaker tribe, so he wants a strong 4. If he had gone with Tom and Colby, and Candice had gone along with it, that's not a strong 4 at all, IMO. They were already suspicious of JT, and Candice is clearly a free agent. The smart players on the other side would have split them up easily I think, but will have a much harder time breaking James/Amanda, and the extremely loyal Rupert. Plus, as I mentioned before, I think this alliance has a better shot of gaining strength from friends among the Villains.

    I was interested in Candice's vote so I also watched the TC voting. JT was actually really hesitant and said nice things about Tom, and Candice, who did not hesitate, was pissed she had to make that vote as it really should have been James in her opinion.

    So two things from that - even if JT had voted to keep Tom, Candice's vote would have sent him home anyway - but since Jeff doesn't reveal the total, it's possible no one realizes what she did. Second thing is, who tipped off Candice, and how was she so sure of JT's vote? Might be nothing, but might also show that someone is working on her, and I think it's JT.

    Also watched one of Jerri where she talked about watching the other tribe lose. She said she knows Colby and Rupert and she can see on their faces how much losing is killing them. Then she said that she sees the same thing tenfold on JT's face. I don't know if she's right there (JT likes to win clearly, but I think he has greater priorities in this game than that), but she's keeping an eye on people and I like that.

    Colby just seems miserable - I think at this point he's regretting doing this.
     
  10. Jenny

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    Third post in a row I know - obviously I am not working too hard this afternoon :p

    Thought this was interesting in the bios - each player lists their most respected player, and least respected:

    • Amanda and James said each other - there's a bond that will not be broken apparently
    • Candice, Coach and Colby all said Tom - if Coach had been on the Heroes tribe, what a difference that might have made!
    • Danielle says Parvati, and her least respected is Russell (only person who named someone playing now) - wonder what she's thinking now that they have teamed up??
    • Sandra said no comment, Russell said he respects no one, JT said himself as he was proud of what he accomplished, and Tyson also said himself, because well he's Tyson
    • Rounding it out - Courtney said Yau-Man, Jerri said Ethan, Parvati said Cirie (too bad about that), Rupert said Rudy, and of course Rob said Amber
     
  11. Prancer

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    Yeah, he seems really down in his clip--and what he says about their downward spiral dovetails with what Jerri says about it, which is interesting. Jerri seems to have a pretty good grasp of what's going on with the Heroes.

    There's an interview with Jerri and Colby on TVGuide.com and from watching it, Colby seems to still be unhappy about his experiences on the Heroes tribe. He and Jerri see much more at ease with each other than in the past, though.

    Candice was in on the vote all along, wasn't she? She argued about it, but Candice isn't stupid and she can add--and the fact that she was arguing with Rupert and Amanda would indicate to me that she's been clued in all along.
     
  12. Prancer

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    According to Tom, it's Courtney. I had forgotten this, but Courtney is dating JT's good friend and runnerup, Stephen, and Tom says in interviews that JT and Courtney were known to have an alliance in place.
     
  13. sk8pics

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    Well, I understand the reasoning in voting out Tom, but I just think they're being STUPID. There's no guarantee the tribes will merge soon and if they keep losing it could end up being only one of them that makes it through. Remember Stephenie being the last survivor of her tribe? I just find James to be really annoying this season and with his injury I, too, thought they should have voted him out. Oh well. I can't see the Heros winning any challenges unless there's one that's more mental than physical. Oh, wait, they can't win the puzzle challenges either.:lol:
     
  14. Jenny

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    That is VERY interesting. If Tom knew, I have to think there are other cast members who know too.

    And Courtney already played with Amanda and James - that's could be a very tight group indeed. And they have super loyal Rupert too.

    Going into a merge with a block of five is a very good position to be in, because unless everyone else is very organized, they could make all the difference.

    Getting rid of Tom and keeping James is looking better and better IMO.
     
  15. Prancer

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    It's no secret that JT and Stephen are still tight and that Courtney and Stephen have been dating for a while, so it may be that Tom "knew" there was an alliance because everyone assumed there was one.

    So I would expect that in this case, everyone "knows" there's an alliance whether there is one or not.

    And that could make for some interesting game decisions as things go on.
     
  16. Ares

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    While I have never been a fan of James, I would want to take him to the finals. At the first hint of criticism from the jury, he would flip out.

    Rupert "If we were voting people out based on their running ability, it would be me." Yes please. :rolleyes:

    Villians > Heroes in every way. Other than Colby, I can't wait for all of the Heroes to be voted off.
     
  17. genevieve

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    EW interview with Tom post-boot
    http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/03/12/survivor-heroes-vs-villains-tom-westman-james-rupert/

    I thought this was an interesting strategy:
    too bad it didn't work.

    Honestly, I think Tom's inexperience with being on a tribe that loses immunity hurt him here, because he really didn't have to deal much with alliances and backstabbing until it was an individual game, and by that time his alliance was really cemented.

    Also liked this about the Heroes' inability to win puzzles:
    :p
     
  18. Prancer

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    If you watch the Insider clips, you can watch Tom working Rupert. Rupert just stares and doesn't say anything.

    Tom's Day After video might interest you, too, because he talks about how he didn't handle the social game as well as he should have because he had never had to before--just as you said, he wasn't used to being on a losing tribe and learned too little too late about how the game had to be played in that situation.

    There's a spoiler about Rupert (it really doesn't affect gameplay at all, but I'll still tag it)
    that he cries about his charity kids on camera and then tells everyone afterward that he thinks he needs to do that for the Fan Favorite vote, which he is said to be gunning for big time. For that reason alone, I don't think Rupert will ever betray his alliance--which again, could lead to some interesting game decisions
     
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  19. smurfy

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    I think that is why this season has been so great and cool blindsides so early. Compared to other all stars, this one seems to have so much more going on. Love reading stuff as it fills in the blanks and helps understand the various relationships.
    Also agree with posts about Tom - and being on a losing tribe this time.
    The dynamics are great.
    Heroes tribe is not blahh to me, except maybe JT if he can make it, the others, hope they go home soon.

    Hope Boston Rob wins, or least makes it to the end, I just find him so entertaining. Not liking Russel this season compared to last, not sure why.
    Coach kneeling to Russell - so funny. I do not like Coach, but he so provides such great tv.
     
  20. FiveRinger

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    This season becomes more and more baffling to me. If the fact that James being injured wasn't enough to get him voted out, I don't understand why they didn't use the same logic and get rid of JT. After all, he was, and still is, the most untrustworthy "hero" in the tribe at this point. Everyone else has pretty obvious alliances (except for Candice, who is just trying to stay with the majority and isn't making any decisions on her own at this point). James, who I loved in previous seasons, but is making a serious play for one of my least favorite players, is obvious about what he's doing and how he's going to do it. I've never been a fan of Tom (or Colby, either), but the same can be said about both of them. If JT's not helping them win, he's contributing to the loss, and just as expendable as anyone else.

    I'm enjoying watching Boston Rob, but I don't want him to run away with this thing. It's looking like that's how things are headed. I hope that we get to see some Russell/Rob drama before one of them gets eliminated. I don't know why I suspect that Rob is going to be the biggest blindside ever, but I just can't believe he's going to continue to merrily roll along as he has been. The villains have got to know he's the biggest threat in the entire game and has to be eliminated yesterday or they won't ever get rid of him. Hopefully, the hero-worship isn't as deep as it appears and the tribe is waiting on someone to be ballsy enough to mention it first. We all know who that is already, though, right?? Waiting on a merge to get rid of Rob is suicide--he'll win most of the individual challenges and that will be the beginning of the end.
     
  21. BaileyCatts

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    I am now fully rooting for the Villians to win every challenge until the merge, and then take all the individual immunity, because the Heros are just stoopid stoopid stoopid!! How do you not get rid of an injured player who can barely walk?! Maybe they would still lose since they are not working together well, but they have just disadvantaged themselves even more. I hope the next two reward and immunity challenges are all physical, tough, running challenges that James cannot possibly coast thru and they lose miserably due to James inability to compete.

    But that's just me ..... :p

    And I hope the Villians (aka Rob) are smart enough to figure out how to force Russell out without playing the immunity idol. I would LOVE that. They (aka Rob) needs to convince enough people to vote for Russell while keeping it absolutely secret so Russell feels safe in not playing the Idol, but then gets the boot still holding it. I would LOVE that.
     
  22. BaileyCatts

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    What the feck just happened!!!!! :mad: Idiots Idiots IDIOTS!!!!! Rob had it all figured out you bonehead!! :duh: Tyson is the biggest fecking idiot to ever play this game! I always thought he was a moron anyway, this does nothing to disprove my belief. Serves him right it was HIM who got booted for his own stupidity. :duh: :duh: :duh:
     
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    Russell played that balls out, damn that was good
     
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    Tyson is an IDIOT --- grrrr.... I can't believe he feel for Russell's little speech. Brilliant on Russell's part!
     
  25. rjblue

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    Tyson must have been afraid that a few more people were going to vote for him, and wanted to be sure it wasn't going to go to a revote. No one would ever give away the idol in that situation.

    Except RUSSEL. :cheer:
     
  26. purple skates

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    That was a great move on Russell's part! :lol:
     
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    What a burn on Tyson. Believing Russell? He deserved to go.
     
  28. Moto Guzzi

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    Russell! :respec::respec::respec:

    I laughed so hard at the look on Rob's face. I hope Russell can stay in the game for a long time if only to annoy his tribe mates.
     
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    What a fecking hilarious outcome. Tyson did it to himself. Love Rob, liking Russel, but not as much as last season, totally rooting for Rob. But too funny, Rob was so right, and now it is 5-3 if the alliances hold. Rob probably has 3 folks with the 4th being Coach. Coach is such a wild card and I do not trust, but is so entertaining.
    I so agree, Heroes, please go bye bye (except maybe JT).
    Would love Rob to win, but the Rob v Russell is too funny. Others can let them take all the attention and take each other out and someone else like Sandra or Jerri could win.
    Love Sandra and how she has no filter and speaks the truth.
    Love James comment about learning about 'banana etiquette'. James and Amanda's relationship is cute, but now I hope she is gone. At least James tonight showed some of what I had liked about him in previous seasons, as I did not like him this season.
     
  30. Kasey

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    ^^^^^^^What EVERYONE above said! I love Rob, he's my fave, but he was totally OWNED by Russell tonight! Damn that was good! James going was just icing on the cake. And yes, poetic justice that it was Tyson who was tossed! Wheeeeeee!!!