Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by genevieve, Aug 21, 2013.
PML That was great.
What a great episode. I'm loving this season (well, since Colton left anyway )
I now want Caleb to win the whole damn thing! SOOOO Sweet! Now, if Candace whoops his ass on redemption island, and John stays in it as well, life will be beautiful!
The only downside was the sneak preview of next week's episode when Caleb apparently turns into Brad 2.0.
that was pretty awesome
I was heartbroken that Merissa lost the RI challenge, though. Would much rather have had John go home and Candice and Merissa could've continued their streak.
Monica's face freaks me out. So much plastic surgery!
Poor Ciera cannot catch a break in these challenges I did wish someone would've corrected Jeff, as that tribe had lost their lead prior to the puzzle starting.
Just got back from a business trip to find that my pvr didn't not capture Survivor
Read the summary on CBS though - who turned on Brad in the second vote - Hayden or Vytas?
On BB fans often talk about how as the game nears the end we'd rather they had cameras in the jury house as that's where all the action is, and now for once on Survivor I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing RI next week!
Hayden struggled with what to do ... scratching out names a couple of times. In the end it was Vytas who turned on Brad.
I totally didn't understand that tie break procedure. I mean it worked out because someone flipped, but in generally you can't have 4 people whose votes were split to break a tie. Having Brad and (girl whose name I don't know) sit out the vote didn't really do anything, because their votes were clearly for each other.
What if no one changed? Do they just keep voting until someone does? (And then what if two people flip and it ties again...)
Is there some actual tie break available or do they just keep voting?
They'll either go to picking purple rocks or building a fire challenge.
The ultimate tie breaker if there are more than five players is the rock draw, which has only come up once (I think), in Marqueses. They all fear the random drawing of the purple rock of doom, so someone has always switched ever since then.
Totally random aside: Aras made a CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/oddus3
Jeff is in awe of the Culpepper physiques:
well, in Monica's case, it's easy to understand why part of her defies gravity.
But seriously, after years and years of hardbody dudes playing the game, Brad Culpepper is the one who draws his eye?
I think Jeff gets paid every time he says "Culpepper."
Some of the posters on Survivor Sucks have a slightly different theory about what happens to Jeff when he says "Culpepper."
How can he not know how silly he looks when he clearly has a mancrush on someone, and worse, that they are always the same type? This has been going on for years! Makes it all the more amusing that Cochrane insisted that he be called by his surname
Man, this would sure suck if both one of the girls and one of the guys changed their vote and just got a new tie.
Good article about sexism on Survivor.
Which was written by a woman who cheers for the alpha males even more than Jeff. And makes some rather arguments.
I think Survivor is a really sexist show, but IMO, this article doesn't do a particularly good job of showing why.
.....and why hasn't he ever deigned to call a woman by her last name...the Survivor honorific??? Hmmm...
Interesting. I hadn't noticed that men refer to the women as "the girls" all that often. Usually I pick up on those things...
Among the men I know, many call each other by last names interchangeably with their first names. I think it stems from playing sports as kids - they would be called by the names on their uniforms because half the time the coaches and other kids and parents weren't sure of their first names.
I think that's why Jeff does it with alpha males - he wants to be one of the boys. Either that's how he grew up, or that's how he wanted to grow up.
So maybe blame parents of previous generations for putting their boys in team sports and signing their girls up for gymnastics and piano lessons
I feel like I'm loosing interest in this season. Maybe next week's big shake up will keep me watching.
So if the merge does come, only three couples are left:
Vytas & Aras
Hayden & Kat
Tina & Katie
I can see Vytas and Aras totally pretending that they can't stand each other as to not increase the very large targets on their backs. Not sure about the other two.
In theory Monica & Brad and Laura M & Ciera are still in play too. Wonder if they anticipated this when they planned the season - that the players would work hard to break up the family ties so early. In Big Brother couples often get very far with little effort to break them up (much to the annoyance of those of us playing from the couch), so it's interesting to see a different approach here. Must be why we are getting a mix up next week - I feel like TPTB only do it on Survivor when things aren't going the way they necessarily thought they would.
I did think that the returnees overthought that vote last night - putting Laura M on RI specifically to eliminate Brad so Monica would be more loyal. That's a big roll of the dice, and in the process, they've lost Laura M who if she returns will now likely happily go with whoever her daughter is with, or whoever isn't with Aras. Maybe it's because they have been coasting so far that they felt the need to play hard right away, and previews suggest that "big moves" are already on everyone's mind.
Personally I thought they should have just gone with Laura B (and sidebar, what did she do to annoy everyone? Did I miss that last week or was it one of Survivor's classic storytelling gaps?). The other side has now tasted victory and shown they can win, and you get rid of an acknowledged strong puzzle/physical player? And one who was prepared to be very loyal, especially to Aras? Dumb move on Aras' part because even if you have a strong alliance it's always a good idea to have back up plans, especially when you are already a potentially big target for so many reasons.
I don't think they are going to merge next week. I think a tribe swap may happen, with the two survivors from RI filling in to each new tribe, and then RI starting again. It seems that's what they did the last time they had an RI season.
And I did. And LOLd again when the first thing Brad said to Laura was "How did you guys lose?"
Bwahahahaha. I hope they win until Brad is gone--and I will really laugh if Laura does indeed knock him out.
I wonder how Laura's husband felt about that little massage she gave Aras. Mercy. I'll bet the ladies are her church were all a-flutter.
I see this a lot and not just in personal interactions. In formal papers, writers refer to cited sources by last names. I have students (both male and female) who do that with male sources, but always refer to female sources by first names. None of them are aware that they do this until I point it out.
Last year, I was in a class where three of us had the same first name, so I said everyone could call me by my last name. And while some did, most of them were very uncomfortable doing so, and I don't think it would have bothered them at all had I been male. It didn't bother me because military people call me by my last name all the time--everyone is known by last name in the military, male or female. But I think it takes some people some adjustment to get there.
Didn't even think of the military - of course! In my little universe, most men played hockey as boys, so I think a lot comes from that. Funnily enough though, among my husband's close friends there are several repeat first names, but they don't refer to each other by last names, which would seem to be the obvious solution. Instead, one of the Jims just became Jimbo and for another pair, they use their first names unless it's not clear which one they mean, and then they say their full names (first and last) to clarify. Among the women, when referring to these two men, we say "your" or "my" to each other, and the others say "Jenny's" or "Julie's." Then again, all these guys met in college, not hockey, so perhaps different rules apply
Either way, I don't find anything sexist about referring to men by their surnames and women by their first names, or to referring to women as girls, because I just as often hear men referred to as boys. Men and women ARE different in my opinion, so I find these studies/theories/rants about how men and women are treated differently are quite often to me.
As for Laura M's slobbering all over Aras - perhaps she forgot about the night vision cameras and didn't anticipate that they'd string it all together in one episode - I was also a bit when she said she'd been married for 20 years. Husband says "why is that a problem?" so I asked "how would you feel sitting here watching me do that and say all that to some hot young guy?" and he said "all's fair in Survivor honey - whatever it takes to win I'm with you all the way." Love him
I almost NEVER hear grown men referred to as boys. Only in extremely friendly groups in a kidding manner. Certainly not in professional settings, where women are still referred to as girls with annoying regularity. Heck, even in skating we can't call our female competitors women! (although truth be told - many of the stars ARE still girls ).
I have a common first name and have been called by a variation of my last name by friends most of my life. I don't ask them to, they just do it. I see it happens to my niece, too, and her first name isn't as common as mine. I think we just have a fun last name?
The RI challenges are more interesting than the rest of the show - no wonder it's given a full third of the episode. I was a bit surprised that nothing came out last night about how the vote went down - or at least it wasn't aired. But that vote was crazy, and there had to be a ton of from the other tribe. Seeing all the returnees giving Brad support was a bit , but I guess they figured there was nothing to lose, really, and nothing to gain by not.
Stupid move on the part of the returnees to boot Laura M. I do hope she survives in RI. I can't imagine that Ciera would switch with her (or that Laura would allow her to), but Laura would definitely be an asset to the loved ones' tribe. If there weren't some sort of shakeup coming that would be pretty awesome.
Wow, that tribe really loathes Laura B. I mean, based on the little we saw last night, her strategizing is pretty ham-fisted and transparent, and the "oh, I'm just going to stand over here hoping I'll survive tonight" was cringeworthy, but last night was the first time they'd gone to tribal, so one would think that hadn't come up yet. Maybe she's been trying to get in with the others in other ways that just haven't been shown. When Laura B went on about how disappointed the tribe was to not be playing with the Great Rupert, I had to laugh, though. Based on what's been posted here/Sucks, I'm thinking ... maybe not so much. But Kat's rolly eyes alone made me hope with every fiber of my being that she get caught in another jackass elimination. PLEEEEZ?????
I am enjoying this season! I have a crush on Vytas - he is so zen! I do not remember much of Aras from his first season, nothing bad, just not memborable, he is a little more noticeable this season.
Yes poort Brad - how did you lose? hee hee
Funny how Tyson has not sat out a challenge.
Laura B - just uncomfortable
Wished they had voted out Monica, but she is in the dominant alliance. Too funny they voted a girl out to get Brad out. hee hee
Wonder what will happen with Caleb - he has a target on him now. Loved how Vytas handled him.
My favs are Vytas and Vytas with Gervase and Aras in the mix, maybe Caleb (but his choice of Colton as a bf is a major negative). I do like Tina too. Monica can go soon, along with Brad.
The most exciting part of the entire episode was the RI challenge. I was really disappointed that Candice lost. But, I was surprised at the amount of support that Brad got from the opposing tribe. I just wonder was it really out of support for Brad or out of support for Monica.
But what really annoyed me was Brad's apologies. The lame apologies to his tribe after getting voted out and the ones he attempted to make to Candice and John just bothered me. He did all this big talking when he made all of these grand moves and then punks out. It was strange and awkward and just weird to watch.
I am so glad that the loved ones finally won a challenge. We usually get to see the winners enjoy some of their reward. I kind of missed that. I love seeing how people worship food after they haven't had any for days and days.
I'm glad we got to see some of the inner workings of the returning tribe. But they have me wondering, What would have been the big deal in making the easy vote? Somehow, sending Laura M to RI just doesn't necessarily set right. The only reason that I could see for keeping Laura B is that she's a wild card because she has no loved one and no alliance. That makes her vote valuable further into the game. I don't know how Aras talked them into voting off Laura M. Even with the challenges seeming to be more balanced (meaning not necessarily advantageous to the men because of strength) there was no guarantee she be successful against both John and Brad. At some point, people are going to figure out that you have to eliminate who you want gone from and you have to deal with the consequences of who returns to the game when that happens.
I'm not going to try to figure out what next week's shake up is. It could be anything. This week's episode was kind of a drag.
I hear it all the time, in work settings as well. Not to carry a theory too far, but maybe it's the hockey thing again - I hear men referring to each other (as a group) as boys all the time.
Just thinking about this this morning and recalling friendships and work situations over the years, there's no definite pattern other than the hockey thing.
I wonder if Tyson saw that challenge and knew he could do it with his shoulder so wanted to play and have the option to sit out next time if he didn't think he could do it. They can't sit out back to back, right?
Caleb had me with all his talk of being the swing vote. Clearly he's not as big a fan as Colton, because that is NOT a good thing!
Might just be Jeff and the editing, but if Tina is playing the "this game has changed since my day" card that's a smart move, because so far no one seems to be focused on getting rid of the two people who have already won Survivor, or the one who has won Big Brother (and also potentially has a "he's not one of us" target on his back, which I'm not seeing yet). Perhaps like many of us, they don't recall Aras either and keep forgetting he won
Too bad there are no live feeds - it would be fun to see the returning players sharing stories about their seasons and other players they know or have opinions about, and to see Hayden talking about Big Brother, which has to have come up since lots of fans watch both shows.