Survivor 28 Cagayan---Beauty vs Brains vs Brawn

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  1. merrywidow

    merrywidow Well-Known Member

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    I think Tasha & Cass are in trouble of being voted out by their new tribes quickly. I think Spencer should be a welcome addition to any tribe but needs to proceed cautiously...in other words: use his Brain!
     
  2. FiveRinger

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    @ Jamesy, but that's why Sarah's an idiot. Well, actually it's two-fold. Why would she believe anything that Tony says? He lied to her straight off when she asked him if he was a cop, and then, when it was convenient, he admitted it. Albeit days later. Now he's spun some other damn lies about Cliff and Lindsey and Sarah hates Cliff so bad she wants him out. So, she's basing her trust in someone who lied to her from day one and hasn't stopped. Oh, and the weasel has the HII. She's way too trusting for a cop. Her radar should have gone up on Tony when she caught him in the first lie and never went off.

    I actually like Cass and hope she goes a long way. I can't remember when I heard her say this, but I like the attitude that she makes decisions and just lives with the consequences, just like a lawyer. I need some of that in my life! :) Spencer, because he's actually good at the challenges and a brain, won't last too long unless he ends up on a tribe with some drama and can find a bestie. It might be too late for him. Tasha is going to overthink her way right out of the game.

    I'm still trying to figure out how the beauties didn't get together and get rid of Jeremiah. He's a cocky little turd. And he was more of a threat that Bryce was, in my opinion.

    Is this the first time that a tribe was unsuccessful in throwing a challenge? I'm really hope we find out that Woo changed his mind about that whole idiotic plan. I like him and Cliff together. And I keep forgetting that Trish is there. That must mean that she's going a long way.
     
  3. Jenny

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    I think Spencer has a shot to get to the end. I think he's a smart, well rounded player who knows the game but got stuck with a couple of amateurs who have dragged him down. If the merge still results in two tribes, he's an advantage because they would have seen that he was carrying all the challenges and that's an opportunity to replace a weaker link. If it's one tribe, there are plenty of existing rivalries before anyone needs to get rid of the Spencer, Cass and Tasha, and if they do by chance come together to vote out the losers, I think Cass is the one who won't fit it with neither the former Brawns or Beauties and will be the easy vote. And by then, I can see Spencer makes some inroads with players like JL and Wu who know the game and will now be in need of numbers, and Cliff who's a nice guy and sees a potential team player to be aligned with.

    I see Tasha running off from Cass and Spencer to make friends with the cooler kids, but as FiveRinger predicts, she's likely to overthink herself out of the game.
     
  4. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    Very minor spoiler:

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/03/13/survivor-cagayan-jeff-probst-episode-3/


    I am so there! :summer:

    :watch:
     
  5. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I meant to post this after week 2 - the thing I hate about 3-tribe seasons is that the first tribe to go to TC is at a huge disadvantage because there just aren't enough people to absorb losing a person. I was happy with the way the Brains tribe voted in their 1st TC, and even their 2nd, but when they start at 6 players per team, there just isn't leeway for a learning curve. And good grief, J'Tia was useless. Probst had it right during the reward challenge when he said that J'Tia just panics - she was completely frozen trying to get that flag back on the platform and all she had to do was feel the edges. Sucks, because Kass and Spencer worked well together, and Tasha was a good caller.

    Aargh, Brawn tribe! I want to like Sarah but she is being the most boneheaded player now. She has bought into Tony's lies but has now taken it to an idiotic level. She knows that throwing a challenge NEVER WORKS OUT, but still thinks it's the right thing to do :wall: Tony is a less evil Russell/Boston Rob - doesn't care about the lying, will say anything to get someone on his side, and is always, ALWAYS on top of everything going on. I thought last week that he would overplay and get caught out, but now that Sarah is stepping up the crazy, he can sort of sit back a little. Well, we'll see how the tribal shakeup affects things, but I wouldn't doubt he can spin something no matter who from Brawn he ends up with.

    Woo is probably my favorite now.
     
  6. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Are you getting Jeremiah and L.J. mixed up?

    I think Tasha is going to flip-flop her way out of the game. Cass is going to have to make her understand that she needs to make a decision and then stick to it. At least sometimes! :lol: Tasha has gotten away with this because of the size and dynamics of her tribe, but others will NOT put up with this.

    There's no arguing that J'Tia was beyond weak as a player and lost the challenge for the group. But why did the team leave her on her own? They should have paired her with Spencer and all J'Tia had to do was remain standing as Spencer and Cass did all the work. At the end though, I think Tasha panicked and her calling skills faltered. I wanted Tasha to tell J'Tia to bring her hand towards her to the base of the flagpole and then push the flagpole eight inches to the left. Or Tasha could have told J'Tia to use both hands...or feel the edges of the platform...or tell Spencer and Cass to come over and place the flagpole correctly! :D
     
  7. FiveRinger

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    No. He's smarmy and full of himself. While he was debating about which alliance to go with, they should have turned it around on him.

    LJ is actually quiet enough not to gotten on my nerves yet.
     
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  8. Fridge_Break

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    Sarah's orchestration of throwing the challenge was the most boneheaded idea this season thusfar. Cliff has been a proven asset in challenges and their tribe has been on a complete roll. To want to get rid of him pre-merge because he doesn't need the money is a terrible strategy. If I were ever on this show I would never support throwing a challenge unless it was an absolute extreme case (ie: Brandon's meltdown from a few seasons ago). Wait until you actually legitimately lose a challenge, then you can vote him off. We saw that one tribe in Russell's final season throw it to get him out and then they lost challenges left and right and had no hope for any chance at the end.

    I am going to laugh my ass off when Sarah ends up on Cliff's tribe next week and ends up needing to beggggg him for his vote. Considering that the brawn didn't end up losing the challenge and this plot seemingly came to a halt, almost makes me think that something will come on later down the season with Sarah needing Cliff for help with the irony being she was orchestrating a plot to send him packing early on.
     
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  9. FiveRinger

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    ^^I agree with you Fridge. I will go out on a limb and say that I have never liked the idea of people being voted out because of their supposed financial status outside of the game. I have always believed that the winner should be based on game play and what happens in those 39 days. Whatever life you have outside the game is up to and on you. I've just always felt that it was mean-spirited. If you want to get rid of former players, that's fine, I get that and it makes sense to me. But voting Cliff out because he's supposedly rich? I don't agree with that.
     
  10. Prancer

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    I thought they showed the Brawn team trying to throw the challenge so we could all point at the hapless Brains and laugh one last time before they disbanded.
     
  11. smurfy

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    I so agree! Voting should be gameplay only. On the flipside, I get annoyed when folks use the poverty card, that is no reason to win either. And when they ask how they will spend the money. It is nobodys business. Not that $1million is not a lot of money, but after taxes, and based on whether the winner has a mortgage, college debt for themselves or their kids, parents to help out, etc, and top that with greedy friends and relatives, the funds could be gone quick.
    So JeTai is gone - I like how Spencer handled himself in TC. If he ends up going early, I would not mind seeing him again. Talk about getting put on the wrong tribe. So true that Tasha will not do well going forward - no focus there. Kass could be under the radar for awhile, with bigger fish to fry.
    Spencer could do well, or could look like a challenge threat. But I hope we get to see more of Spencer.
    I so far love Cliff and hope that Woo is on his side, and was game playing about throwing the challenge. I always lose respect for players that want to throw a challenge - just seems like bad karma. The 2 cops can go soon! They are getting airtime - so hope that is true.
    Looking forward to the switch up next week - will get to learn more about other players
     
  12. BaileyCatts

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    Kass looks and seems ssssoooo familiar. She's the lawyer, right? Has she been involved in some type of nationally known case that she would have been on talks shows (Dateline, 20/20, Nancy Grace, etc.) type shows where I would have seen her? Like a Casey Anthony type trial or something? Its weird how familiar she seems to me and that be the only place I can think of where I might know her from. ;)
     
  13. Jenny

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    Cass looks familiar to me too, but I was thinking of my aunt rather than someone famous!

    She might be able to fly under the radar, but I also think she's an easy target - older players in these games always seem to be at a disadvantage, especially in this case when the whole brawn/beauty thing favours youth. They might all find it easier to buy a few days by getting rid of the old lady to keep the target off themselves. There's also the older pilates woman - the one that seems the best candidate for the "I'm doing this to prove something to myself and kid" breakdown - who seems a more obvious throwaway, but has had more time to bond with more people being on a winning tribe.
     
  14. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Older women who are physically strong can go further, but Kass was just as useless in physical challenges as J'Tia. Being older/not "hot" will definitely work against her in the new tribe system unless she can get something going right away with some dissatisfied folks. Unfortunately, with the Brains tribe performing so disastrously, there aren't many others who know they are outside of an alliance.

    And I agree about the money thing - I loathe the argument that anyone "deserves" to win because of their financial status, and to a lesser extent, that anyone needs to be eliminated due to their financial status.
     
  15. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

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    Very astute point! That could be a problem for Spencer and Tasha too.

    As for the money issue, agree with all of you. Plus, perceptions don't always match with reality - what one person calls being broke another might call being set for life, plus appearances can be deceiving - they assume that Cliff is rich based on years of an NBA salary, but they really can't know if his investments went bad (remember Lisa/Blair? She said everything she made as a child star was long gone), if he has other financial strains (ie. professional athletes' ex wives can be expensive) or if he or those around him blew his money. Either way, it shouldn't matter - it's about game play and game play alone in my book.
     
  16. MarieM

    MarieM Grumpy Cynical Ice Dance Lover

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    So far, I haven't guessed who has the winner edit. Kudos to them :)
     
  17. Catherine M

    Catherine M Well-Known Member

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    Don't watch any of the previews too closely today, heading into tonight's episode as who ends up on which tribe is actually quite easy to tell.

    Sometimes I wonder if anyone at CBS even bothers to check those things!
     
  18. Fridge_Break

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    In the early seasons they used to "photoshop" the buff colors in the previews so no one knew what tribes people ended up on (Survivor Sucks called it the Buff-O-Matic), then they got lazy and didn't bother to hide it. But then, randomly, one of the seasons within the last 2 years or so, it returned and they tried to fool people again in a random preview :lol:
     
  19. Catherine M

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    Didn't want tasha, Kass and spencer to go to tribal so I'm glad their new little tribe won immunity tonight! So smart to move Jeremiah and Spencer to the front.

    Going to be really interesting to see who does get voted out.
     
  20. Catherine M

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    The editing was pointing to a Cliff vote out but I was thinking via LJ's idol, not Tony flipping. Good job editors with that fake ou!

    Just five guys left. That's crazy!
     
  21. halffull

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    Happy with how things turned out tonight. LJ was my "minute after we meet them all" pick in my house. Spencer is young Mr halffull's pick. So far we're doing ok :)
     
  22. Prancer

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    Jeff has been quite meh about this season and now we know why.

    I hope this doesn't mean he thinks the show is better with returnee alpha males.

    I guess Lindsey isn't going to last very long.
     
  23. jamesy

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    Trish's laugh is going to drive me to rip out my own ears. :scream:
     
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  24. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    That first challenge was rather lopsided after the first set - Cliff basically just had to sit there, it looked like he was barely holding on, but just the sheer mass of him was hard to move. And was he laughing at the other tribe trying to move him? :lol: But I thought this was a challenge where it was unfair to have both men and women involved. Sarah actually did a phenomenal job fighting Tony and Lindsey, but I don't see any of the women being able to hold off a team that included any of the guys left in the game.

    Interesting tribal switch, with all of the Brains staying together. Very glad that this tribe was able to win immunity, and that the brains really contributed to the win.

    UGH. I knew Cliff was going when we were reminded about LJ's HII, but I really wish it had been due to the idol being played. I was suckered into thinking Tony was getting smarter/not overplaying, and then this?? :wall:

    Lindsey finally speaks somewhat, and now she may quit. Eff that. :blah: Prepare for more returning players after this one....
     
  25. Vagabond

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    I think this is the best season in many years. :shuffle:
     
  26. BaileyCatts

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    That pole challenge was actually kinda violent. They literally could have broken someone's leg the way they were twisting their legs all up! Hell they coulda paralyzed some of those smaller girls! I do not like this challenge at all. At least the other one no one was intentionally trying to hurt you, which is all the pole challenge was.

    Eh, still don't care at this point who stays and who goes. Maybe when the numbers get lower I'll have someone to root for.
     
  27. Jenny

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    Those are my picks too :)

    I'm guessing that the reason that LJ didn't use the idol was that unlike the 5 minutes we saw, he sat through perhaps 90 minutes or more of TC and decided he was good. I can't imagine he put his reliance on Tony either directly or through Trish - I think he's way too smart for that, and seems to be very perceptive of others. Brilliant working of Trish too - with Cliff gone, Woo and the others may be his for the taking.

    So very sad, but so very true. Husband wondered why he was sitting out in the rain at TC - obviously he wants to show everyone that's he's tough too, and let his shirt get wet over his (hate to admit) impressive upper body.

    Definitely - the sheer size and weight of him, not to mention a life of conditioning and VERY strong legs said no way. He was laughing alright - although not sure if it was the absurdity or if all that manhandling was tickly :lol:

    As for Tony - this was his first TC - he's itching to play and make moves, so no surprise that he'd go the crazy route and switch allegiances rather than go the easy route and vote out LJ. At the same time, he understands this game very well, and I wonder if voting out Cliff was a message to Sarah now on the other tribe - "I did this for you, so you better be there for me at merge."

    I'm loving this season.
     
  28. Catherine M

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    I'm loving this season too but like others, I'm worried that since Probst seems meh on it that they'll be back to lots of returnees. I guess we'll know in a few months when the 14/15 seasons get filmed over the summer.

    Of the guys left, I think LJ is in the best position. Woo and Cliff getting sloppy and not making Trish feel like she was a big part of their alliance was a classic mistake. They should have known better than that. I wonder though just how much Lindsay's hatred of Trish played into that decision!?!?

    If Lindsay does quit as the preview is implying, I can see that adding to Probst not being a fan of this season as he hates a quitter.
     
  29. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    He's not alone in that.

    And it would explain why we've gotten almost no coverage of Lindsay. If it weren't for her highly identifiable hair she'd be more invisible than Allison/Alexis/Amy.

    I want Jeffra gone because I can't take another 2+ months of hearing that voice :scream:
     
  30. Jenny

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    Good points on Lindsay's edit and Jeff's reaction. But this early - pre merge - is one quitter really going to ruin a season for him? If he's meh, then Cliff's exit and Lindsay's potential quitting would contribute to that, but there's a lot of season left and I wonder if meh is because the ending isn't interesting - it's either someone he's not big on, someone who won by default rather than earning it, a predictable ending where someone was clearly a front runner for much of the end game, or one alliance managed to dominate completely, or something along those lines.

    Or I'm overthinking it :lol:

    re people saying "you never got to know me, never talked to me" etc - that always astounds me on Survivor and BB. Even if you don't particularly like someone or have found nothing in common, how is it possible not to speak to them at all when you are in a small group cut off from the world 24/7? And who on earth still makes that mistake after all these years on Survivor (and BB)? Cliff I guess.