Successful Male Figure Skaters Who Don't Have Gigantic Egos

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  1. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    to you and your biased mind of course he is an arrogant douchebag ;)
    god forbid someone offer an opinion that is different from everyone else's
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    morqet Active Member

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    Maybe you should start taking your own words to heart, sweetie.

    Back to the thread - Javier Fernandez, Tomas Verner, Jeremy Abbott. Brian Joubert doesn't always come off wonderfully well in interviews but he's been very unassuming & polite whenever I've met him, same for Florent Amodio.
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  3. Jenny

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    Well technically, given that he's the reigning Olympic champion, he *is* better than everyone else.
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  4. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    don't call me sweetie.
    i just don t undertand how one can say that they're the most artistic skater in the field while at the same time say that their partner is more artistic and better than them
    its contradictory
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  5. screech

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    I know some ISU judges who say that Scott is actually a bit of dick. And IMHO he gives good bitchface once the music stops. Plus, I know someone who dated his cousin for a while, so has been around him on a few occasions and said that he's not always the nicest person.

    As for non-egotistical. Jeff, definitely.

    I met Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze shortly after the 2002 O's, and they were insanely nice.

    I really really don't like Jamie Sale (she annoys me to no end), but when she and David had just won their world title, a friend and I were chatting about how cute he was after an ice show. Jamie overheard us and came up to us and laughed, all 'I know, right?' and started talking to us. This was before they came out as a couple.
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  6. aliceanne

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    I seem to remember Scott Hamilton saying that you have to have a big ego to be a champion because although you may get support from your "team" in the final analysis it is you alone out there on the ice performing so you had better put yourself first. Or something to that effect. The gist of his statement was that although some winning skaters may appear humble, they are not, and that is not a bad thing.
  7. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    proof or it didn't happen
    also being a dick ≠ egotistical fyi ;) choose your words wisely

    :respec:

    perhaps the word ego is too much. but of course one has to be very confident in themselves if they plan on winning
  8. FSfan107

    FSfan107 Well-Known Member

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    Only in your brain.
  9. Golightly

    Golightly New Member

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    Who does not have an ego? I'd take that over fake humility. As for Scott, he is cocky, but as far as I can tell, he's a good guy. Arrogance doesn't make you a dick or a terrible person. Sure, it can annoy us sometimes, but it's not something to hate someone over. But, well, people hate in here over a lot less so.

    I'm just here to say that someone with an ego and results to back it up is not a douche. I like my athletes confident enough to say that, yes, they are the best. Nothing wrong with that.
  10. Alixana

    Alixana recovering Oly-holic

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    I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes anyway ..

    Until we know someone personally, how do we know they have a big ego? Media quotes can be taken out of context, knowing people who know people is hearsay, how people look at any given time doesn't always reflect who they are as a person (I'm told I always look sad because my lips turn down at the ends ..and I'm pretty happy most of the time!) And as much as we're invested in them, these skaters aren't our friends, they're just people we love to watch perform. In the end, we all go home to our real lives. /rant over .. whew, I've ranted a lot this week.
  11. Golightly

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    You should not get flamed at all as this is a very sensible post. I wholeheartedly agree.
  12. lauravvv

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    Thank you two. I am a bit surprised why more people haven't mentioned him. I guess to many he seems like this pretty prince of figure skating - how could he not have a big ego :D? But after being his fan for years I've come to known that this image couldn't be further from the truth. He is unassuming, unpretentious and classy practically in everything that he does and says. But, of course, we can never know everything about someone, especially if we don't know that someone personally.
  13. asunta

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    exactly:respec:
  14. rainbowkisses

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    Anyone can make a contentious claim about the isu but if you don't have proof to back it up you're not going to go anywhere :p

    it is indeed refreshing to have someone speak their honest opinion compared to people who fake humility. I think those who fake humility are the worst.
    Scott has a lot faults but i don't think being egotistical is one of them
    But honestly, I don't understand how some people can hate someone so irrationally up to the point they block everyone whose opinion goes against theirs

    and yes I have to admit Scott comment's did rub me the wrong way at gpf but when i saw ice, sweat and tears i realized that his comments have been twisted and taken out of context by the media. in his case, tone matters a lot. and like I said before, I have next met an egotistical person who can make jokes about themselves/laugh at themselves. egotistical people don't do that.
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    Oh, I too mentioned something like this at the end of my post. You are so right.

    I mostly agree, although I wouldn't equate ego with arrogance. At the same time, you can't also say that humility is always something fake. People are different - some are softer and/or less self-centered, and really tend to think well about others. And it also depends on the upbringing. If someone has been told and shown since early childhood that it can be impolite and hurtful to other people to express one's opinion in a direct and harsh way, then it's very likely that they won't do that, but will either keep something to themselves, or express their opinion in a less harsh, more diplomatic way. And such a person doesn't see it as faking something, while others probably would see it that way.
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  16. just tuned in

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    I disagree. I think arrogance is a very unpleasant characteristic. Clearly, it has been demonstrated here that there are many successful figure skaters who do NOT bash others, do NOT make public statements about how they would have judged a competition differently, do NOT declare before a competition that they will be the victor, etc.
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    Tbh, I agree. I simply don'y believe in people being able to win Olympics and not having an ego. I mean, sure, it doesn't mean those people aren't nice to people around them/fans, but to be a winner, besides, being in top shape, you have to believe yourself you're the very best.
    And Urmanov, Lambiel for sure has egos and their diva moments. They are just better at hiding them :p
  18. Sylvia

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    I think a better title for this thread might have been "Male Figure Skaters Who Don't Come Across as Having Gigantic Egos but YMMV." ;)

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  19. rainbowkisses

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    sanctimoniousness is also a very unpleasant characteristic as well

    :rofl:
    good luck with that
  20. lauravvv

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    Once again, you are mixing up confidence and egoism. I don't think it's always one and the same. But, come to think of it, ego is not always something that is bad. A healthy egoism is possible, and it's also not the same as arrogance. Healthy egoism is also when a person is capable of putting his/her personal interests first in situations where doing otherwise would mean losing a competition, losing one's goal in life, or giving up something that is truly very important for that person. It doesn't mean that that person has to really think less of others, look down at them, and so on.
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    How has no one mentioned Johnny Weir yet?

    Forget Pluschenko, Moir, Chan and the rest of those who actually have titles to back up any perceived ego they have and look at the guy who thinks figure skating needs him to bring back viewers.

    Has to be one of the most egotistical skaters out there.
  22. Knigolubka

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    lauravvv, I think we've been talking exactly about egoism? And, IMO, confidence and egoism go hand in hand in the most cases, but I do agree that arrogance is not the same. The problem is that often it's hard to tell one from the other.
  23. rainbowkisses

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    hes an american skater thefore he cannot be egotistical am i right? ;):rofl:
  24. Golightly

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    This is very true, though. For me, a dose of arrogance is not bad at all. Sure, I don't condone anyone insulting a fellow competitor. But it is okay for me that they spoke freely about their talent and why they think that sets them apart from the competition. It might not sit well with others, but I like that attitude. As long as it is done without insulting anyone, I think it is fair game. I mean, when Federer was number one, he would say: "They have to play their best to beat me." And, hey, that was (and even today, is) true. He's not insulting anyone, he's simply stating a fact. Many people hate that. I, on the contrary, hate it when Nadal, after beating Federer 6-3 and 2 says: "He's clearly better than me." That's not humility. Anyway, I went a bit off-topic there, sorry.
  25. just tuned in

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    For the record, the following skaters have exhibited behavior or have given statements that tend to cause me to think that they may have over-active egos (what some might call "arrogance"): Lysacek, Plushenko, Weir, Chan, Moir, and Gracie Gold.
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  26. Golightly

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    Wait, what did Gold say? I missed that one.

    BTW, this doesn't mean agree about the others being egomaniacs, I am just curious about what she she said that might be perceived as egotistical.
  27. rainbowkisses

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    i didn't know Gracie identifies as a man now :lol:
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    Well, she jumps better than quite a few senior men! :D
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    Has someone told Max Aaron? :eek:
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    I think those who are saying Scott Moir, Evgeni Plushenko, and Patrick Chan are humble have a vastly different definition of humility than I do.
  31. rainbowkisses

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    or you know, they just know the skater more than you do.
  32. snoopysnake

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    Does this mean the three spots are off?
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    Ok, question: how do you know he didn't "fake humility", as you say, in that "ice, sweat and tears" (whatever that is)? How do you know if those reactions of his, which have made a lot of people assume he has an oversized ego, were not the sincere, true reactions and whatever different side of Scott you saw in some kind of a staged program was?

    Also, I actually think a big ego helps in making jokes about yourself. You're just that sure of yourself you can afford it. Notice how insecure people never make such jokes.

    Yes, that is true that the media can twist one's words or create the false image - but taken the media aside, Scott just does not come across as a nice person when you meet him. He's definitely not the kind of person you wanna approach and talk to.
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  34. rainbowkisses

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    it shows you didn't watch the documentary because you're not making any sense. Also it depends on what kind of jokes. I know plenty of insecure people who make jokes about themselves (the kind of jokes in which one brings themselves down. for example when an insecure person says something they're not sure of to another person and a person looks at them weirdly, they would usually joke about what they said to get the approval from that other person)
    and FYI you're talking to someone who has met him once 3 years. he wasn't the type of unapproachable person you make him out to be. in fact he seemed very overwhelmed (and hyperactive)
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    One thing I've learned is that you can't really gauge what a person is like from TV (though I used to think you could)--or even necessarily reputation. In general, it can take years to get to know someone, such that you could state with a reasonable amount of certainty the largeness, smallness, etc., of their ego. So, you would either have to have known that person for years, or need to get this information from someone else who has. Appearances can definitely be deceiving.
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    Funny to see so many people list Boitano as not having a big ego. I guess I feel the opposite. In nearly every interview he brings up 1988. Even when he was asked about Christopher Bowman's death the day after it happened, he ended up reminiscing about winning the 88 Olympics. But maybe that makes him self-centered more than having a big ego. For the record, big egos don't bother me, even Boitano's whom I love. I think athletes need to have bigger egos if they want to succeed on a big scale.
  37. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Didn't he bring up the 88 Oly because it was Christopher who had told him that he had won and Chris was a known prankster?
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  39. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    unlike that other person i have proof
    although to you guys it probably wont be enough
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    Oh my turn!
    I have a cousin, whose neighbors, best friends, sisters, hairdresser says that Fabian Bourzat, Charlie White, Luca Lanotte and Scott Moir are all equally douchy:p:rolleyes:





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