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Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by nubka, May 31, 2012.

  1. Garden Kitty

    Garden Kitty Tranquillo

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    Are you in favor of prohibiting everything that people don't need, or just this one?
  2. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    Some people just prefer the taste of a diet coke no matter if they are trying to lose weight or not. What they eat with it is irrelevant when choosing one beverage of choice over another.

    It's no different that people ordering a salad with a regular coke.
  3. manleywoman

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    I'm in favor of prohibiting marketing machines and large corporations pushing their crap on us.

    When the government allowed ads for various drugs to be put on TV, presumably so people could be in charge of their own choices for drugs . . . has that helped people make informed choices in the long run?
  4. Rob

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    Yes, I quit all soda/carbonated beverages and drank water/iced tea for several months. Then, when iced tea was not available, and I was dying for caffeine, I had a Diet Coke. Not only did the fizz burn, but it tasted totally vile. Combination of Robitussin and insecticide. And the sugar stuff - blah, tongue coating cloying bleech.

    Allegedly, the carbonation contributes to cellulite so I don't think the diet stuff is too good either.
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  5. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    That's exactly why I won't drink it.
  6. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I quit drinking colas 5 years ago - I will drink one very occasionally now, and while it doesn't burn, I rarely can finish the whole thing. It just tastes like corn syrup.

    ps diet sodas are evil! :p
  7. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    The government doesn't need to be involved in this.

    It's likely potentially harmful to eat/drink anything to excess.
    However, unless something becomes a matter of general public safety, it should remain a personal choice.
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  8. Garden Kitty

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    So which additional items do you think should be restricted from sale?
  9. skatingfan5

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    Cigarettes and "smokeless tobacco" products. :slinkaway
  10. nubka

    nubka Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, maybe not, but at least it's still their choice... :respec:
  11. BaileyCatts

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    :shuffle: Been there. Done that. Doesn't work. I used to drink a 12 oz. can of Coke every work morning (it was my 'coffee'). In 2008 my New Years resolution was no more morning Coke and switched to water only work mornings. Stopped cold with drinking a can in the morning, so pretty much cut out about 250 12 oz. cans per year (figuring about 22 work days per month average, excluding vaca days, etc.). Didn't change anything else, just cut that morning 12 oz. Coke. I didn't lose a single pound that entire year (weighed the same on January 1 as I did on December 31 according to my scale at home), and pretty much weigh the same now as I did in 2008 when I cut that single 12 oz. Coke per day and not changing anything else.
  12. agalisgv

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    ^^^ Yeah, considering 8oz of soda only amounts to 96 calories, that's not likely to make a difference in a person's weight.

    I suspect the thinking was if you multiply 96 x 365, you'd get 35,040. Since a pound equals 3500 calories, that would be the equivalent of 10 pounds. But as has been mentioned, the body doesn't really work that way.
  13. BigB08822

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    So a person can make a choice to buy a packet of cigarettes which are clearly deadly but they can't make a choice to buy a gallon of coca cola? It just makes no sense. I drink only diet sodas because I actually prefer them to the real thing and because I am type 2 diabetic. What is to stop someone from buying multiple smaller drinks? Nothing. This is just way too much government interference. If the stuff is so bad for us then outlaw it all together. If they can't do that to cigarettes then it can't be done to sugar drinks.
  14. Garden Kitty

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    Apparently, the Mayor does appreciate certain foods, as he's issued a proclamation for Doughnut Day tomorrow.

  15. manleywoman

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    Of course they can't ban it all together, even if they wanted to. Nor should they.

    I'm not for taking people's choices away, but this is really not a big deal considering people can still buy soda by the gallon and drink it if they so choose. But it's a step towards telling those manufacturers that there should be acceptable limits.

    Do you all think that the few local governments in the US that have banned plastic bags or bottled water shouldn't have done so? The environment and our health are all better off for it, right? But god forbid we took people's choices away and they have to drink tap water like we all did 15 years ago, or bring a cloth bag to the store. I didn't hear anyone here barking about those choices being removed.
  16. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    :lol: huge donuts YES!, huge sodas, NO!

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  17. Prancer

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    I don't see a whole lot of similiarity there. Plastic bags and bottles weren't banned for personal health reasons; they were banned for environmental reasons. While there are some people who have concerns about drinking out of plastic bottles, that was really not the issue behind the banning.

    Banning soda in this manner, OTOH, serves no particular purpose that I can see.
  18. nubka

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    That's because in the huge scheme of things, soda (especially diet coke,) is so much more vital and important! :D
  19. Karina1974

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    There wouldn't be such a problem with plastic bags if cashiers were taught how to properly bag stuff like groceries. Can't tell you how many times I've gone through the line and have had to say "one bag, please." "One bag?" "Yes, one bag." :wall: This is for items that don't "need" to be bagged separately, like raw meats and veggies. I don't even pack my bread separately; I'm going to be eating it, not putting it up for decoration, so if it gets a bit dented, who cares? This is why I only go to the market with the self check-out if I'm getting more than 1 or 2 items, so I can pack my own, and walk out with one bag instead of the 2-3 that a cashier would typically use.

    And yes, I do recycle my plastic bags. Price Chopper and Hannaford both have bins out by the front doors where people can drop off their plastic bags; every month or so I take my collection up to PC and get rid of it.
  20. milanessa

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    Why not a reusable bag?
  21. alchemy void

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    Diet Soda haterz! :lynch:

    I quit a few years ago for 3 months. Succumbed during an overnight shift and it was the best thing I've ever tasted. I drink 52 oz of Diet Mtn Dew most mornings. :p

    As for the ban, its totally stupid, and as others have mentioned, makes no caloric sense. People will continue to make poor choices and continue to be obese.
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  22. MacMadame

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    No, it's just political grandstanding.
  23. danceronice

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    For me, 1. I use the plastic bags to dispose of cat litter rather than creating a catastrophic mess by dumping it straigh in the garbage or wasting plastic and money buying special bags just for cat crap and 2. I have something like twenty reuseable bags, none of which ever make it back to the car. I don't JUST go to the grocery store, this not being 1950. I usually stop when I have the chance and am out in the right direction anyway. When some stores were doing a 5-cent or 10-cent-per-bag discount, it was worth my time to remember, now it's not. (And as for charging per plastic bag, rewards work better than punishment.)

    Plastic shopping bags also work better as packing padding than peanuts or poppy paper....
  24. RobbieB

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    As others have said, if large sodas are banned then we also need to ban all other foods that are high in calories. Maybe we should work on the fast food industry...that seems like it would be more directly related to obesity.

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  25. Prancer

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    :lol: I can't remember the last time I got so much positive rep for a single post.

    I think soda probably is a major cause of obesity myself, along with other sweetened drinks like Gatorade and bottled tea and such. The number of calories that people consume in drinks is pretty ridiculous.

    But half-assed measures are rather pointless.
  26. Flatfoote

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    I used to drink soda every day. Usually a bottle that I took two days to drink out of. Sometime or other, I just sort of started drinking more water than soda, and only have one every so often now. Yet I'm not only just as fat as I've always been, I'm even a few pounds more. So I don't think too much soda is the prime culprit.
  27. Scintillation

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    I've just been watching that "Weight of the Nation" series on HBO, and it has many interviews with many different dieticians and nutrition specialists who are extremely worried about how this country has compromised itself by becoming too fat. There's a lot of blame being thrown in many different directions--the companies making and marketing their unhealthy products, congress for being unwilling to step in and enforce major changes, schools for providing unhealthy food options to their students.
    And when it comes to the nation's kids, I agree that they are partially responsible for the current epidemic. Parents need to take responsibility too and make sure their kids know what healthy options are, and encourage them to stay active.
    But the adults in the series seemed to latch on to the idea that someone else to blame for their current state, which I think is bullsh*t. I got close to the point of type 2 diabetes and I have no one to blame but myself for it. I'm lucky because it's all still reversible but I have to change how I take care of myself. I have to make better choices, and no but me is able to make those decisions.
    Anyways, I applaud Bloomberg for trying but I think he's misguided. I liked the idea of posting caloric content at all the major chain restaurants, but this soda size ban won't do much to change anything.
  28. BlueRidge

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    I'm wondering if the whole point of this effort isn't about the huge sodas themselves, but stirring up a lot of attention to the fact that of the massive empty calorie content of sugary drinks. A lot of people are pretty oblivious to that. It doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise, but it certainly is getting people talking about what is in sodas.
  29. Jot the Dot Dot

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    Sorry, but the government has no business in that department. Regulate offensive/destructive behaviour yes (such as drunk-driving, etc.). But it sounds like Mayor Bloomburg is on a Puritanism craze.
  30. Aussie Willy

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    I am the same with bags too. I get very annoyed when you might have 3-4 items, one of which is laundry or washing detergent. They always put it in a separate bag. When you ask them to put in the same bag as the others they say "but it might leak". I respond that is my problem. I do like self checkout for that. :)

    All my bags get used for my rubbish. Just silly to buy separate garbage bags.

    As for the soda drink debate, whether you agree with the proposal or not, it does get people discussing the health implications of these things. The reality is they are not healthy. And they are not a need. Water is a need, your body can't get by without it. Soda drinks are just a want which most people would acknowledge are not good for you and can contribute to obesity. But so can a diet of eating the wrong thing. My sister eventually had lapband surgery because she ate too much crap, drank too much soda drink and got very overweight. And even after that she still eats too much crap and then complains she has stopped losing weight.
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  31. Rob

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    That's really what they ought to crack down on, rather than the drink itself. When I lost 80 lbs on Weight Watchers, I had a can of Pepsi every day.

    I also think it goes back to parents/educators really emphasizing healthy eating. My parents were pretty good at feeding us healthy stuff most of the time, so I grew up with it. Though I'm obese according to BMI (regained after thyroid disease), I don't have any "fat" medical issues like high blood pressure or cholesterol, and I think it's because I still eat fairly healthy. Not enough movement and too much cheese and pasta sometimes :shuffle:

    Unfortunately healthy eating runs directly counter to the food industry's moneymaking interests. I don't think a 44oz drink exists because consumers asked for it. They're just as powerful as Big Pharma.

    Agreed. There's a local Panera-style cafe that does that, and I definitely :eek: and had the fruit salad instead of the baked potato soup when I went there!

    Honestly, I wish they'd work on making healthy food more affordable. Eating fresh fruit, vegetables and meat is incredibly expensive and a PITA. The Philly "food desert" experiment sounds interesting, I hope it works.
  35. milanessa

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    Isn't that what they're doing with this law?
  36. vesperholly

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    :slinkaway Ought to read the article better ...
  37. Badams

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    I totally agree. It's nice in the summer, when you can grow your own garden full of veggies, but in the winter it's almost impossible to eat very healthy. Pasta, rice, everything that's fattening and bad for you is way more affordable than out of season "fresh" veggies and fruits that have to be trucked in. :(
  38. Prancer

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    Well, right there is one problem--are pasta and rice bad for you?

    Depends on who you ask. Most diet experts still recommend that you get most of your calories from carbs. Rice is the primary diet staple of more than half the world's population. It's hard to believe it's bad for you.

    I think everyone agrees that eating fruits and vegetables is a good thing, but only for part of your diet. Dieticians are actually seeing a small percentage of middle and upper middle class children who are suffering from dietary insufficiencies because their well-intentioned parents are feeding them too much fruit. What do you eat for the rest?

    I'm not asking to get answers, just pointing out that it isn't all that easy to say what a healthy diet is.
  39. michiruwater

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    And there's a world of difference in the glycemic index and overall health value of white pasta, rice, and bread versus whole wheat/whole grain pasta, rice, and bread. The overabundance of processed flours, their really high glycemic index, and the strain they put on the pancreas is, IMO, the number 1 reason diabetes is an epidemic. Pastas made with 100% whole wheat do not have the same affect on the pancreas.
  40. milanessa

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    And they taste like crap, IMO. :slinkaway