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  1. nubka

    nubka Well-Known Member

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/n...-ban-on-large-sugared-drinks.html?_r=1&emc=na

    How is this ban going to reduce obesity? Unless they limit the amount of food that people can consume while eating out, I don't see how this is going to help.

    Sugary drinks are fattening, but so are a lot of other things like fried foods, mayonaise, ice cream, butter, etc. When people are eating out, let them decide for themselves. I can see something like this being implemented in a school setting, but not in deli's, fast food places, restaurants, etc. :soapbox:
  2. manhn

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    Whew. I can still visit NYC. I need my diet pop.

    I know people go on and on and on and on and on and on about those folks who buy a Big Mac and then a Diet coke, but do you know how many calories are in a Coke? It makes a difference. Diet soda allows for the occasional treat in a person's diet. Besides, diet coke tastes better than regular coke.

    I don't see this affecting restaurants too much. The glasses aren't that big and they're usually refillable, anyway.
  3. nubka

    nubka Well-Known Member

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    I definately like diet soda better. I just think people should be able to make their own decision about what size soda they want.
  4. agalisgv

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    Except they didn't outlaw the sale of milkshakes and drinks that contain some juice. Both tend to have more calories than regular pop.

    8 oz Tropicana has 100 calories. Not prohibited.
    8 oz Coke has 96 calories. Prohibited.
    8 oz milkshake has 303 calories. Not prohibited.

    From a purely caloric perspective, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
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  5. Prancer

    Prancer Ray Chill Staff Member

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    I think diet soda tastes like it has insecticide in it. :p
  6. shan

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    Diet soda is gross. How healthy is artificial sweetener that's in it?
  7. agalisgv

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    Thank you

    My theory has been people who drink diet pop for extended periods of time eventually kill off any taste buds rendering such foul drinks palatable.
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  8. manhn

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    I'm sorry, I guess I am too unrefined to appreciate the flavour and deliciousness of regular coke.
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  9. agalisgv

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    We forgive you :saint:

    I don't actually like regular coke either. I'm not a big pop drinker in general :shuffle:
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  10. Really

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    Me, too -- regular Coke or Pepsi is just too sweet for me.
  11. Prancer

    Prancer Ray Chill Staff Member

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    Same here. But if I do have a soda, I'd rather have just about anything other than diet anything. Blech.
  12. manhn

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    Yeah, yeah, you can eat and consume anything and everything you want but in proportion.

    Obesity problem solved!
  13. Aussie Willy

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    All soda drinks are just full of crap and chemicals, doesn't matter if they are diet or regular. Drink them and you are just putting crap and chemicals into your body which just ain't natural.
  14. MacMadame

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    But people are fat! We must DO SOMETHING. It doesn't matter if it's effective or not!
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  15. Prancer

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    All food and drink are made of chemicals, just like we are.

    Plenty of natural chemicals are harmful. Plenty of manufactured ones aren't.

    Sugar is natural. So is fat.

    Soda has no nutritional value, while orange juice and milkshakes do. But orange juice and milkshakes are full of sugar and milkshakes are also full of fat. But sugar and fat are natural.

    :drama: Too much for me to comprehend.
  16. agalisgv

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    Tad off topic, but has anyone taken a break from drinking pop, and then gone back to it and find it burns to drink it? I think unless you drink it regularly, it's kinda unpleasant to drink :shuffle:.
  17. overedge

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    NYC already has a law about listing calorie and fat counts for other kinds of food. I remember being in a Starbucks there and being :eek: at how unhealthy some of the baked goods really are.
  18. barbk

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    I don't know that I agree with the concept of a law, but the supersizing of drinks here is astounding. As a kid I could get a bottle of pop from a vending machine that was about 8 ounces. Maybe less.

    I like the required calorie listings at restaurants. I've been quite surprised at some of them, and it definitely has influenced my choice.
  19. genegri

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    My main concern about Coke is other possible harmful consequences, such as osteoporosis. And there is talks about artificial sweetener and cancer. I used to live on Coke. No exaggeration, 90% of my water intake was through Coke (regular Coke only, I don't touch diet anything. And thankfully no need to so far ;)).

    Two years ago I decided to be healthy, (ha!) and quit Coke cold turkey. Now I only drink it occasionally when I go out to lunch with friends. Still love it, but I have since discovered water doesn't taste that awful either. :lol: Back then if I had to run to grocery store at midnight it was because I ran out of essentials, like Coke or toilet paper. These days, only toilet paper gets the honor. :D
  20. Aussie Willy

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    Definately. I hadn't drunk Coke for years. Decided to have a mouthful and had to spit it out. Was vile.
  21. PeterG

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    This made me think of the stories about personal trainers who eat at McDonald's for a while and gain lots of weight. So that they can understand overweight/obese people... :rolleyes:

    Weight issues are not about what one eats. Weight issues are not about how much one eats. Weight issues are about why one eats calorie-heavy foods.

    Bloomberg is showing how clueless he is.
  22. ballettmaus

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    Not sure I agree. All three play a role in being overweight and especially in losing weight!

    But Bloombergs plan sounds like a piece of garbage! I think it's safe to say he's taking the "you can eat/drink something "unhealthy" as long as it's in small amounts" a bit too far. What does it matter if there are only smaller drinks available? Then people drink more of the sugary stuff at home. Now there's something gained... (I guess the restaurants/stores would gain something, however, if people buy more drinks because they're smaller... :shuffle:)
  23. skatefan

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    This - I don't drink fizzy pop because it 'burns' my mouth (it feels hot somehow) and I've always found it puzzling that people are able to drink the stuff :lol:
  24. BaileyCatts

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    So they can't sell the standard 20 oz. bottles of Coke anymore? Okay ... so I'll just buy two 12 oz. cans instead of one 20 oz. bottle of soda and now I'm consuming 24 ozs. of soda versus 20 oz. Yea. Brilliant plan. Seems to me the only thing this will do is increase the profits for the soda companies because people will now simple buy two smaller bottles. I know I would.
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  25. pingu

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    The aspartame is carcinogenic.

    No you are wrong. Weight issues are about how much you eat, what you eat and when you eat it. If you eat 100g of pasta is not the same as eating 100g of white bread. The pasta has a longer glycemic curve, that means that you body needs a lot of time to burn the pasta, and you won't feel hungry for hours because your body is still using the energy of the pasta and doesn't need more. White bread has a shorter glycemic curve, and your body will need less time to use the energy that comes from that food. You will feel hungry in a shorter time because the energy of white bread lasts less than the one of pasta. So if for lunch you eat pasta, you will feel hungry at dinner. If you eat white bread, you will feel hungry after a few hours, and you will feel the need to eat before dinner.
    Every food has a glycemic curve, which is determined by the nature of the food and the way it has been processed. For example, and apple has a quite long glycemic curve. If you blend it, it will be shorter. If you drink just apple juice, without the fibers of the fruit, the curve will last a few minutes. It means that you won't feel hungry for five minutes, while if you had eaten just the apple, you would have felt hungry after a couple of hours.
    And I was just talking about an apple juice, which only contains the water and unprocessed sugar that is in an apple. A coke contains about 1/3 of sugar and 2/3 of water, plus colours and flavourings. Therefore, if you drink 300g of coke (way less than half a litre), you are eating 100g of sugar.
    Another example is that if you eat something at lunch, is not like eating it in the evening, because after lunch you work/study/play a sport, while after dinner you just sleep.
    Another thing I'd like to point out is that eating a lot/junk food and not getting fat does not entitle us to eat it anyway. I've heard lots of thin girls saying that they were eating junk food every day and not getting fat at all. It doesn't mean that your body won't later suffer because of that. Eating junk food for years does not just mean that we will get fat, but we will find the real results of that after decades, when all the junk that we have accumulated in our body (which won't be young any more) will cause tons of different illnesses, and it will be too late to change that situation. We are what we eat.
    IMO what the mayor did is better than nothing.
    Genegri, I'm happy that you quit drinking that much coke. Your body will thank you in the next years :)
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  26. Flatfoote

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    From the article: "The measure would not apply to diet sodas, fruit juices, dairy-based drinks like milkshakes, or alcoholic beverages; it would not extend to beverages sold in grocery or convenience stores."

    So, in other words, you can still be a drunk. Just not a fat drunk.

    Can't you just see it in a few years. Obesity has been outlawed. Authorities go door to door arresting people for being too fat, and imprison them. While in prison, they are put on strict diets and excercise programs. The only way to serve out your sentence is to lose weight to your prescribed accpetable size.

    People begin hiding out in their homes, in fear of being caught for being too fat. Neighbors begin turning in neighbors when they are seen outdoors displaying their fat.

    Sounds like a good futuristic SyFy movie, doesn't it?
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  27. gingercrush

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    Wow. Nanny State. I'm over being told what to eat. One day potato is super evil starch food the next I'm reading some article about how they're a super food. Pasta is evil then it isn't. Fat is evil and lard is difficult to find but you can find all sorts of cooking oil. Rice is eaten in the bucketloads in some countries and yet somehow we're killing ourselves eating rice. Meh I like a bit of everything and probably over indulge in sugars etc. Oh and I like coke.

    Also pingu you could eat all the healthy food in the world and still find yourself sick. Oh and I feel quite entitled to eat what I want thanks.
  28. Holley Calmes

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    Well, I know it has aspertame (spelling?) which turns into formaldehyde when heated, so don't heat up your Diet Coke! At least this is what's been buzzing around for several years.

    I used to drink 2-3 Diet Cokes per day. I quit for Lent this year, and I have lost about 5 pounds and a lot of bloat in my lower abdomen, doing nothing else to lose, and now Diet Coke does taste like insecticide to me. I've had 2 since February, and I've absolutely no urge to go back to them. Those 2 I had made me ill.

    I believe they make you retain water pretty badly, so the lack of calories is offset by water retention. Someone can contradict me on that, but I think that's right.
  29. Sarah

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    I heard about this on the radio and it really bothers me. I have being told what to eat/what not to eat. The second I ban a food/drink, it's all I want.

    As for soda, I don't drink it too often anymore (I used to years ago, but have more or less cut it out as something I consume on a weekly basis. I may have a soda once or twice a month, if that). When I do drink soda (either coke or ginger ale), I don't do diet. Diet is a migraine trigger for me. In fact, if I can catch a migraine before it starts (I don't get auras, but sometimes get an odd taste in my mouth before the pain starts), nothing works better than coke and rx strength pain killers. If my stomach is upset, I'm flying, or super nervous about something, I drink ginger ale. So all in all, I don't drink soda often.

    Still, I hate the idea of banning soda/sizes of soda. When I was a kid, my family would often buy a large soda at the movies and we'd share/split it 3 ways. Way more cost effective. Now this would require individual sodas and more $$. This won't stop people from consuming larger quantities of soda, but rather it will cost more money to do so (instead of buying 1 20 oz, a person might buy 2 12oz...). I'm convinced, in the end, it's just a money making scheme.
  30. Aceon6

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    Most of the folks I've seen buying the 32 oz and larger sizes have been teenaged boys buying mega amounts of Mountain Dew. I've rarely seen someone who needs to lose weight buying one. I have seen a person buy and consume 3 Big Macs, a supersize order of fries, and a Diet Coke.
  31. pingu

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    I'm sorry, I didn't want to sound like I was telling people what to do, I was just sharing what I have been taught in the dietology lessons I had at the university, as I found them interesting when I learned them. English is not my mothertongue so perhaps what I wrote had been misunderstood.
    You are right, we will never be sure whether we'll be sick because it was just going to happen anyway or because we smoked/ate something wrong/had any other bad habit. But, for example, if I have a lung cancer when I'll be older I know it was note caused by smoking because I don't smoke. If I smoked and I would then have a lung cancer, I would be never sure if it was caused by the smoking or if I would have had it anyway.
    It's like when you drive, you pay attention and try to not do any crash, but maybe you'll get involved in one anyway, right? In that case you are unlucky, but you know that it was not your behaviour that caused that.
  32. PDilemma

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    An 8 oz Coke is not prohibited. The ban would be soda in serving sizes over 16 oz.

    What about restaurants that keep refilling? Will that be banned? That drives us nuts when we are out with my nephew (an obese teenager)--servers will refill for the entire meal even if you ask them not to and the kid gets to drink a gallon of soda.
  33. manleywoman

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    I think it's a good thing. Frankly, nobody needs 44 oz of coke.

    I read a study a few years back on CNN that if every person who drinks soda daily cut out 8 oz a day of soda, they'd lose 10 lbs by the end of the year without changing anything else.
  34. purple skates

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    While I agree that nobody needs 44 oz of coke, it isn't the government's job to deny them the right to have one if they want.
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    I swtched to Diet Coke several years back while trying to lose weight and now prefer it to regular Coke, which tastes much too sweet. I don't drink it often, though, maybe two-three times per week.

    A drink that should be banned is that vile concoction known as Diet Pepsi.
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  36. MacMadame

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    Diet soda, yes. (Don't drink regular -- too sweet.) It tastes like a mouthful of chemicals.

    It does but our body makes formaldehyde naturally. So I'm not sure it's that big a deal especially when it's in such small amounts.

    As for artificial sweeteners causing cancer, that has been largely debunked as the studies where this was shown were full of flaws and better designed studies don't show this to be an issue, at least not any more than anything else we use on a daily basis.

    But it's not a study. It's a prediction. And the thing is, that's not how bodies work. You can cut out 8 oz. of soda a day but, unless you are carefully tracking everything you do to make sure nothing else has changed, most likely you will change something to compensate.

    That's because our appetite control system is very powerful. Our bodies do everything in our power to keep us at a certain weight. You can't just change one thing like that and expect that it will have any durable effect without doing anything else.

    This is one reason why just exercising more often doesn't lead to long-term weight loss. (Something that has been shown over and over in studies.) Our bodies respond to us burning extra calories by increasing our appetite most of the time. You also have to consciously limit your calories along with the increase in exercise if you want to see results.*


    *usual disclaimers apply... this is on average and in general. Individual results may vary. ;)
  37. BlueRidge

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    aspartame as MacMadame said, has not been shown to cause cancer, or any of the other things you'll find claimed on the internet. It still tastes vile though.

    There does seem to be confirmed evidence that sodas, diet or otherwise, with the caramel type coloring of colas block calcium absorption so as someone said up thread, anyone with concerns about osteoporosis should not drink them regularly.

    I wonder how movie theaters feel about this law? Here they always sell humongous cola drinks at humongous prices so they can make money. I can't imagine how anyone drinks those things without bursting their bladders! Okay, I'm small...

    I think that calorie and ingredient information, and maybe sometimes warnings about information people may not have are a good idea. I don't think banning drinks or food that are only harmful if you over consume them is a good idea. People can decide for themselves and if they have unhealthy habits a ban like this isn't going to change that anyway.

    I drink seltzer water. I like that burning sensation. :lol:
  38. danceronice

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    Lol, you mean the 'fizzy' part? I love it--I always try to get the sparkling mineral water (otherwise I can't really see BUYING water.) It also feels colder on hot days! (If I get soda, I get Vernors or Squirt, or I get Canada Dry if I'm sick. If you see me with Canada Dry and saltines, keep a safe quarantine distance--its' my go-to stomach-bug food.)
  39. purple skates

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    I love LaCroix sparkling water. No sodium, like most carbinated water, no artificial sweateners, no calories. :)
  40. nubka

    nubka Well-Known Member

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    Isn't it great that it's your choice? :) :cheer2: :cheer2:
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