Status of US Ice-Dancing off season

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by olympic, May 12, 2011.

  1. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2005
    Messages:
    8,610
    Honestly, we will never will now the truth....
    For me all this split-ups are shocking. Someone notice N-B, but honestly N-B wasnt the team, wush could fight for medals in any case, biu all C-Z, C-P and S-b its a different story.
    But when there are so many teams in group - who cares about this? Caches always have other teams
  2. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    1,592
    Just so I understand where things are at.

    1. One Canton team has split, that we know of, correct? That's Chock/Zuerlein. None of Tobias/Stagniunas, Samuelson/Bates, Davis/White, Virtue/Moir and the Shibutanis have announced splits/retirements, right?

    2. Evan Bates sustained an injury prior to last season which took S/B out of competition/off the ice for a better part of a year - if I recall, he was just returning to the ice around Nationals.

    3. He was scheduled to perform in Skate for Hope with Emily and wasn't there while she was/performed.

    Right? That's what people are going on when they suggest that S/B have split and/or that the Canton environment is leading to these splits?

    Anyway, I love S/B and hope the rumours are false. I think their 08/09 Sailor OD was terrific and "An American in Paris" was such a perfect idea that the fact that we might not see it performed.... well, it's disappointing.
  3. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2009
    Messages:
    7,139
    "Footwork" hinted that S/B might have split well before Skate for Hope. That's what got people thinking in the first place. Now that he wasn't at the show, it's even more suspicious.
  4. Carmen Ovsiannikov

    Carmen Ovsiannikov New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2001
    Messages:
    8,165
    :lol: :lol:

    Seriously though, the above exchange is what I referred to in my last post and could possibly be (along with S&S's bronze) part of the reason for any surprise splits. D&W are excellent technicians and they should barring any injury stay of most of the Canton teams straight up until Sochi except for S&B. Somehow D&W have become larger than life and are establishing themselves as unbeatable in the eyes of many fans and apparently even the judges. Heck they are seen as even better than a clean V&M.

    In the past there have been teams who had been criticized as undeserving because they weren't polished, lacked connection, needed improvement etc. etc. and other various assorted complaints. Yet when we have had teams who seemed to be what fans are looking for those same fans haven't really been enthusiastic about them either. Matthews/Zavozin, Silverstein/Pekarek (many liked them but many didn't), Stiegler/Magerovski and now IMO S&B are being sold short. If not for Evan's injury and now the rumored break up, I feel as pani does that S&B could very well have challenged D&W in the run up to Sochi. Well, that is if the judges had/will allow them to. Yet many laugh that off. I get D&W but I don't get them in a manner of speaking.

    It does make me wonder what will happen to I&K even if they :kickass: in the remaining three seasons going forward.

    I'd never been a huge S&B fan but for the first time I was excited to see a team move to Canton. S&B like V&M already had excellent skills and beautiful technique. Like V&M, those qualities should have mixed well with Igor's speed and "tricks" type of programs. For the first time I was truly looking forward to seeing Emily and Evan skate. I guess we will just have to see how everything plays out and hope for the best.

    :slinkaway
  5. letsskate

    letsskate New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    294
    @tatjana21 tweeted this last week:

    Next coaching change: A. Rippon will be coached by J. Dungjen in Detroit. Also, I wait for confirmation of another ice dance split.

    Can this be S/B that she's implying? or does anyone know which ice dance team she's talking about?
  6. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    2,104
    Someone said on here they thought Tobias and Stagniunas were done too. I can't remember if it was this thread or another one, but it definitely wasn't confirmed.
  7. hlp728

    hlp728 Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2004
    Messages:
    359
    In the Skate for the Hope thread, Teeveedee wrote this about Emily S.

    "I also attended the show, it was a lot of fun! Just a few more things that haven't been mentioned:

    I talked to Emily Samuelson after the show and asked how Evan was doing. She said that he's on the ice, but when I asked her if they are going to skate this season she said that she hopes so but things are still up in the air and she isn't completely sure what's going to happen in the future. Take that as you will, she seemed pretty doubtful to be honest, but seemed to be more unsure because of his injury than other factors that she did not allude to at all."

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3213042&postcount=32

    I'm too consumed with finding out what is happening between Emily and Evan.
  8. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,014
    Allison Reed has a new icepartnersearch bio up that lists her citizenship as USA instead of Japan: http://icepartnersearch.com/showbio.php?i=3664

    ETA:
    There's a photo of Roxette Howe (of the new Junior team of Howe/Mark Jahnke) who was one of the 3 valedictorians that graduated from the California Connections Academy (a nationwide online school program) last Monday: http://www.ocregister.com/news/academy-305153-california-figure.html
    Howe will attend the University of Michigan and her training is convenently based in Ann Arbor. ETA: There's a second photo of Howe in the MORE PHOTOS link.
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2011
    BittyBug and (deleted member) like this.
  9. OlieRow

    OlieRow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Messages:
    1,659
    Not related to US Dance, but there are also pictures of Mirai Nagasu and Ellie Kawamura.
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,014
  11. lavenderblue

    lavenderblue Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2010
    Messages:
    473
  12. Cloudy_Gumdrops

    Cloudy_Gumdrops New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2002
    Messages:
    11,834
    Too bad they split up. I liked them. They had the beautiful lines that most American teams lack.

    I feel kinda bad for Emily. She sat out a whole year only to end up splitting with her partner. :(

    Man, this offseason is getting ridiculous. :lol:
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2011
  13. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,833
    At least having already sat out a year of competition will make it easier for her to represent a different country, if that's what she decides to do - right?

    I do feel bad for Emily, and am disappointed S/B have split. Their lines were gorgeous and I enjoyed watching them skate.

    With all these splits and retirements, GP fields next season are going to be awfully thin...
  14. Hedwig

    Hedwig New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    17,416
    Very very disappointed about this. I loved their technical brilliance. :(
    I hope they come back to each other. Sometimes a split makes you appreciate your partner again. :(
  15. toddlj

    toddlj Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Messages:
    1,087
    So... things are starting to look even better for Kriegenkrairut/Giuletti-Schmitt. (Please don't say they are splitting too.)
  16. reese

    reese Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    3,368
    They aren't!

    And yes, things are looking super for them. Very exciting.
  17. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,833
    I can't help but think that while training with Marina and Igor has its advantages, there are also benefits to not being in Canton. Especially for the lower-ranked teams there, it must get pretty demoralizing at times - not to mention the pressure on young teams to succeed almost immediately at the senior level. It's not for everyone, and good for Kriengkrairut and Giulietti-Schmitt for doing things their way. I'm looking forward to seeing them in more international competitions next season.
  18. sk9tingfan

    sk9tingfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,944
    The Shibs stellar performance and ranking at Worlds must have blown everyone's minds and made them start to rethink everything.

    Love Kriengkrairut and Giulietto-Schmitt's programs last year and wish things had gone better for them. I too, am looking forward to what they bring in the coming season.
  19. LilJen

    LilJen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2006
    Messages:
    9,253
    I seriously doubt USFS would release either Evan or Emily to skate for another country.
  20. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,833
    I do wonder what would have happened if Fabian Bourzat had stayed upright and the Shibs had finished off the podium.

    I know... but one can hope, right? I mean, if either can't find an American partner, it would be a shame for them to be unable to compete anymore.

    Is there no way for skaters around the federation not giving permission? It seems horribly unfair, especially in a sport in which they can't compete unless they are representing a member federation. Maybe some day someone will go to CAS over this? It'll ruin that person's career, though, so I guess probably not.
  21. taz'smum

    taz'smum Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2007
    Messages:
    384
    I believe that after 2 seasons have elapsed, the skaters can appeal directly to the ISU and they have to be released. I'm not sure of the details but it is something like that.
  22. mgobluegirl

    mgobluegirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2005
    Messages:
    2,028
    IIRC, having citizenship in the country to which you're switching gets you around being released.
  23. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,833
    That's what I thought, but then the ISU regulations confused me. If that's the case, both Evan and Emily are halfway there, if they wish to skate for another country.
    This I actually knew, from the Dube-Davison split...

    I'm curious to see if any of the currently partner-less US dancers will team up with anyone in time to compete - at least at the national level.
  24. Susan M

    Susan M Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2004
    Messages:
    1,448
    I think they'd be nuts to even think about a partner with whom they could not go to the 2014 Olympics. For Samuelson & Bates, skating at Nationals and GP events is not enough of a goal, and even another top 10 at Worlds would be a bit anti-climactic. Unless they already hold dual citizenship somewhere, they need to either find a US partner or retire.

    Either way, I honestly don't see either of them improving their competitive position by moving to another partner.

    When I first heard the rumblings, I had guessed maybe Evan was done with skating after a year of living with nonskaters and doing college full time. I was surprised to read he was looking for a new partner. I guess he'll pretty much have his pick of Madisons.
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,014
    FYI, a separate Samuelson/Bates split discussion thread was created in GSD earlier today (with the Detroit Free Press article link, originally posted here, as the source): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79258

    Just a reminder that this competition takes place this weekend and that there is an event discussion thread in the Kiss and Cry forum (open to all until July 1st when the Season Pass subscription usually kicks in): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79157
  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,014
    Current Known Status of Teams from 2011 US Nationals:

    * = currently listed on icepartnersearch.com

    1 Meryl Davis/Charlie White (W1)
    2 Maia Shibutani/Alex Shibutani (W3)
    3 Madison Chock/Greg Zuerlein (W9) - split; he has retired
    4 Madison Hubbell/Keiffer Hubbell - split
    5 Lynn Kriengkrairut/Logan Giulietti-Schmitt
    6 Isabella Cannuscio/Ian Lorello
    7 Shannon Wingle/Timothy McKernan
    8 Rachel Tibbetts/Collin Brubaker* - split
    9 Meredith Zuber/Kyle Herring
    10 Ginna Hoptman/Pavel Filchenkov
    11 *Alissandra Aronow/Zachary Donohue - split
    12 Kristen Nardozzi/Robert Cuthbertson
    13 Katharine Zeigler/Baxter Burbank - split
    14 *Alison Carey/Ryan Van Natten* - split
    15 Katherine Pilgrim/Alexander Lorello
    Emily Samuelson/Evan Bates - split

    Moving up to Senior/registered for Lake Placid IDC:
    J1 Charlotte Lichtman/Dean Copely (JW3)
    J3 Anastasia Cannuscio/Colin McManus (JW7)
    J4 Anastasia Olson/Jordan Cowan
    J11 Carina Glastris/Kevin Allison
    N6 Brittany Schmucker/Adam Munday
    Janine Halstead/Robert Knopf

    New partnership in Senior:
    Madison Hubbell/Zachary Donohue

    Reportedly looking for a partner and not listed on IPS.com:
    Evan Bates, Madison Chock, Keiffer Hubbell, Emily Samuelson

    Listed on IPS.com:
    Collin Brubaker, Ryan Van Natten
    Alissandra Aronow, Piper Gilles, Alison Carey
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2011
  27. another sk8rmom

    another sk8rmom Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2005
    Messages:
    119
  28. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2010
    Messages:
    3,720
    WTF is going on in US ice dancing? We went from having perhaps the most depth in the world to just two quality teams now. This is suppose to happen in Pairs not ice dancing.
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,014
    Thanks, another_sk8rmom. I've edited in your info.

    I think we have more than just "two quality teams" left...
  30. OrioleBeagle

    OrioleBeagle Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2009
    Messages:
    781
    I wonder what TAT would have to say about all of this off season drama?
  31. OlieRow

    OlieRow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2006
    Messages:
    1,659
    Good luck to both of them in whatever they decide to do next. They both seem like really great people. I've been to PSCHS's Challenge Cup the past few years where they've skated and I've overheard parents talking about how great they are with the younger skaters who seem to really look up to them. They had lots of kids cheering for them which was cute.
  32. LilJen

    LilJen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2006
    Messages:
    9,253
    Oh man. Now there'll be no good names left in skating. Baxter Burbank should become a private eye, or an actor, or a spy. Or something that demands an awesome name like Baxter Burbank.
  33. hockeyplayer2

    hockeyplayer2 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2010
    Messages:
    118
    With all the breakups of US teams, how does it look for US in the GP season? Still two openings for SA, but who will fill those? Will C/B be given an assignment? W/M? H/D (new team, but both have have had international success w/other partner)?
  34. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2004
    Messages:
    6,092
    The open spots in SA, as well as spots in Senior B's and JGPs, will be given after the Lake Placid dance comp, which is the monitoring comp for ice dance. In the past, there has been 1 spot at SA left open and then given to the highest-placing Senior team at LP not already assigned to 2 GPs. Last year, Lynn/Logan got it. W/M and H/D could get one/both, depending on how they skate, and Lynn/Logan would also be eligible b/c they only have 1 GP assignment at the moment. W/M and H/D would have to go to a Senior B (Nebelhorn?) first, though, to earn the qualifying score as they have no int'l scores from the past 2 seasons. Scores with previous partners don't count.

    With 2 open spots this year, things could be done differently. I suppose USFS could keep one spot open and assign it later (so if C/B don't compete in LP, they could compete/exhibit at a local comp and be monitored there...but would also need to go to a Senior B first).
  35. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,014
    Link to what I posted about the dance possibilities in the "TBA Spots at Skate America" thread in GSD (before Chock/Bates officially were announced as a new team): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3222285#post3222285
    (pretty muching echoing what Debbie S posted above :))

    Link to ice-dance.com's "2011 Off-Season Report" dated 6/28 that summarizes the major dance splits (not just the US teams): http://www.ice-dance.com/news-a-articles-articles/1062-the-2011-off-season-report

    Link to blogs by Isabella Cannuscio and Colin McManus: http://www.ice-dance.com/bella-a-colin-blog
    :lol:
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2011
  36. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,014
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2011
  37. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    30,014
  38. ~tapdancer~

    ~tapdancer~ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2006
    Messages:
    5,083
    Thanks, Sylvia for the link. So cool to see Charlie especially since it seems like only yesterday he was a young one and now he's the mature World Champ!
  39. rhumba

    rhumba New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2007
    Messages:
    358
    sorry, wrong thread.
  40. hockeyplayer2

    hockeyplayer2 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2010
    Messages:
    118
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2011