Sotnikova, Lipnitskaya and Radionova

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Skater91, Jun 6, 2013.

Who will dominate Junior Ladies next season?

  1. Medvedeva

    7 vote(s)
    11.9%
  2. Sakhanovich

    33 vote(s)
    55.9%
  3. Sotskova

    4 vote(s)
    6.8%
  4. Stavitskaia

    1 vote(s)
    1.7%
  5. Gosviani

    4 vote(s)
    6.8%
  6. Angela Wang

    11 vote(s)
    18.6%
  7. Courtney Hicks

    8 vote(s)
    13.6%
  8. Other US Lady

    5 vote(s)
    8.5%
  9. Rika Hongo

    1 vote(s)
    1.7%
  10. Hae jin Kim or So Young Park of South Korea

    2 vote(s)
    3.4%
  11. Alaine Chartrand or Gabrielle Daleman

    7 vote(s)
    11.9%
  12. Other?

    3 vote(s)
    5.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Skater91

    Skater91 Member

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    Sotnikova, Lipnitskaya and Radionova - All 3 of these girls won both their JGPs and JGPF and Junior worlds during there first junior international season!

    Which Russian girl is next to dominate Junior Ladies!?

    Medvedeva
    Sakhanovich
    Sotskova
    Li
    Ogoreltseva
    Pervushkina
    Proklova

    Or will a Russian JGP Veteran get there chance to dominate?

    Gosviani (If she doesn't get the CoR GP spot, she may want JGP)
    Gerasimova
    Stavitskaia
    Titushkina
    Agafonova
    Shershak

    Also who do you think can pose the biggest threat to the Russian ladies having another clean sweep? Japan, Canada, US or Other!?

    Angela Wang
    Courtney Hicks
    Polina Edmunds
    Barbie Long
    Hannah Miller
    Rika Hongo
    Alaine Chartrand
    Gabriel Daleman

    I am excited to see how Tursynbayeva goes competing for KAZ!

    However I am :cheer: for Medvedeva, Hongo, Hicks and Wang
     
  2. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    You mean Pogorilaya, not Sotnikova right?
     
  3. kwanatic

    kwanatic Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea who those first 5 names are...I'm guessing they are debuting as juniors? I'll learn who they are soon enough. I've been closely following the JGP for the last two years and I'm actually looking forward to seeing the new talent this year.

    My two favorite ladies in that group are Angela Wang and So-Youn Park.

    Wang just needs to have a break out season. Her technique is lovely, all 5 correct edge triples and difficult combos (3lz-3t), decent spins, great flow around the ice and I love the fluidity in her movements. She's a strong skater who suffers from SP nerves but if she can get that under control and start delivering some solid SPs in addition to her very strong FSs she could easily be a gold medal threat every time.

    Park is a gorgeous skater. Expressive movements, graceful arms, lovely posture and carriage...I really think she's the future of skating for Korea.

    Rika Hongo has the most potential for Japan IMO. Satoko Miyahara is good but if she can't increase the size of her jumps she will not make it far as a senior. Rika's jumps are solid enough but she needs to work on other areas of her skating. My hope is Haruka Imai will have a breakthrough soon and become Japan's #1 after Mao and Kanako leave...

    I really like Gabrielle Daleman. Nice presentation, she's fast and she has big jumps...sometimes too big. She has trouble controlling them and often over-rotates. If her team can rein her in a bit she'd give Kaetlyn a run for her money. She's not as electric as Kaetlyn in terms of performance but she's not weak either. I'm really interested to see where she will be in the next few years.
     
  4. NMURA

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    Since the Final is in Japan, the JSF's favorite will be given judges' favors (like Murakami and Hanyu of four years ago, Radionova of last season). I think it will be Riona Kato, not Hongo. Kato has better skating skills, spins, base values, more difficult 3-3 combos, and most importantly, consistent 3 loop and better rotation.
     
  5. mgobluegirl

    mgobluegirl Well-Known Member

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    What I saw on video of Sakhanovich last year was very impressive. I'm also excited to see how Edmunds does in her JGP debut.
     
  6. Skater91

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    No, definitely Sotnikova

    Sotnikova, Lipnitskaya and Radionova - All 3 of these girls won both their JGPs and JGPF and Junior worlds during there first junior international season!
     
  7. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    Can the streak continue? I voted Sakhanovich.
     
  8. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    no Karen Chen and Miller ? :confused:
    and aren't Daleman and Gosviani Seniors
     
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    I've posted videos of the first 3 Russian ladies listed in the poll in this thread: Skaters & Teams that could debut on the JGP in 2013 (includes videos)

    Maria Stavitskaia has already competed in 3 JGPs and won bronze in Chemnitz, Germany last fall.

    Nikol Gosviani (6th in her 2013 Europeans debut) could end up with the TBA at Rostelecom Cup in Moscow; Courtney Hicks may be competing as senior internationally this fall (it's not yet known about Gabrielle Daleman and Alaine Chartrand).
     
  10. briancoogaert

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    I hope it stops here. I can't watch those little russian strechy girls with no good basics anymore. Figure Skating is not Gymnastic on Ice. hehe, I'm :EVILLE:
     
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  11. TheIronLady

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    I agree it is not, but the Russian ladies are pretty good. Medvedeva and Sakhanovich are star competitors if they want it.
     
  12. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    Seems like the Russian girls are unbeatable until they hit puberty and they can't rotate their tiny jumps anymore. It takes more then being able to bend yourself like a pretzel to be a complete skater.
     
  13. pinky166

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    Sakhanovich and Edmunds. Maybe Wang and Miller as well, or Barbie Long if she can improve her PCS (technical ability is wow) and Mariah Bell if she can become more consistent with her jumps (great presentation). I too love Park but she's very inconsistent and often seems unfocused in competition - if this can be fixed though, I agree she can do very well as she's a gorgeous, well-rounded skater. Chartrand from Canada is also very promising, but she seems to be a skater that peaks late in the season. Gerasimova and Sotskova are also impressive Russians with 3lz-3t. Gerasimova did well last season even when she frequently bombed her FS programs, so if she can be more consistent she should score very high. Sotskova is young and tiny but she does have a lot of talent too. I'd be surprised if Gosviani does JGP, I think she will get the COR spot, I don't know who else would be in consideration for it besides Biryukova (really poor last season and deals with frequent stress fractures), Korobeynikova (not great last season and already has 1 GP), and Agafonova (no international assignments and did not qualify for Nationals last season, but was 2nd ahead of Nikol at the Russian Cup Final). So considering the competition I think Nikol will get it.
     
  14. karlon

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    polina edmunds! I like her very much...
     
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2013
  15. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    None of the current Russian girls who are struggling are really struggling because of rotation issues. If you are thinking of chronic ur issues that is not the problem. The issues are they are rotating and usually fully rotating almost all their jumps. I can give a list of junior skaters who get severe << but their names are known to all. << and << fall and even lots of < are not common! Yet if at all.
     
  16. Marco

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    Edmunds was barely rotating the lutz and flip, let alone the toe, in her 3/3s. But I do like her as a skater, here's hoping she would grow in the Kostner fashion instead of losing her jumps when she grows further (and wider).

    Hicks' lazy foot bugs me to no end - which is a shame because she has some lovely spins (sans the Biellmann) and some good qualities to her skating.

    I am yet to see the next batch of Japanese girls besides Miyahara whom I like as a skater but despise as a jumper. Any video of Hongo for reference please?

    It is impossible to keep up with all the Russian girls because there are so many talented ones and also because they are all quite similar. Out of those ones I watched, Sakhanovich really caught my eye. Medvedeva was good too. I hope they don't just focus on jumps, but focus more on learning how to skate. I am very tired of watching them doing difficult but mediocre jumps and getting into all sorts of painful looking positions all the whilst not displaying any flow or deep edges or interpreting the music.
     
  17. kwanatic

    kwanatic Well-Known Member

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    ITA w/ all of this.

    And here is Rika Hongo.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYNz-kyfVAg

    She needs a lot of work (posture (yikes!), musical interpretation, spins, etc.) but from a jumping basics standpoint I feel better about her than I do Miyahara.
     
  18. TheIronLady

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    Hicks is like watching paint dry.
     
  19. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Just another Ando.
     
  20. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    I'd say a mix between Ando and Murakami. ;)
     
  21. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Not better.
     
  22. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    Indeed ! :lol:
     
  23. kwanatic

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    I'd say she's more Ando than Murakami. Kanako isn't the best skater out there but she's never bored me when she skated...I can't say the same thing about Miki. There's something about Kanako that I really love...there's a spark to her skating. I don't think Rika has that right now. Maybe she'll develop it in the future but for now she's very bland. Hopefully as she matures she'll gain a bit more personality and style to her skating.

    Sadly it doesn't look like Japan has that many great up and comers right now. The majority of the strength seems to be coming from Russia and the US and a few from Canada. Japan's prospects aren't looking half as good as either of those countries right now...
     
  24. Marco

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    I respect that Murakami puts an effort into presenting her programs. She isn't as naturally graceful as Asada or musical as Suzuki, but she is good to very good at about everything (sans lutz). And it seems like she is done growing so her jumps are unlikely to become worse. Would be a shame if she didn't continue - especially since she is on an upward trajectory with her Worlds placement and is pretty much going to be the undoubted top Japanese lady once Asada and Suzuki retire.

    As much as I have enjoyed the skating of the podium skaters at the last Worlds, I am really looking forward to the next batch taking charge. Sotnikova, Gold, Li, Osmond are really to move up.
     
  25. kwanatic

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    ITA Marco. :)

    Kanako is definitely a favorite of mine. I think people underestimate her a lot...like worlds this year. Who honestly thought Kanako could place well with Wagner, Gold, Osmond, Tuktamysheva and Sotnikova in the line up? Some people thought she was a long shot for the top 10...and yet she places 4th with two very strong performances. I was so proud of her!

    She's such a beautiful girl and I really love personality. I've enjoyed watching her since her days on the JGP and it's been so wonderful to watch her grow and mature over the years. I really hope she continues to compete at least for a year or two after Sochi. She'd definitely be the clear #1 for Japan.

    ITA about this new wave of skaters too. It's been great to have these post Torino and post Vancouver holdovers but I am really ready to see the new wave of ladies take over. The 2014-2015 season is going to be really interesting! I'm excited to see which skaters are going to take advantage of the vacancies at the top. I'm ready for some new rivalries and new fan wars! It's going to be great :)
     
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  27. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Marin Honda (Novice B champion this past season) is still too young for the JGP this fall, correct? Will she be old enough in 2014-15?
     
  28. NMURA

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    No. She needs to wait two more years.

    Reportedly she upped her jump contents again. At a local competiton in last month, she skated basically clean with -- 3Lz-3Lo 2A-3T-2Lo 3F-2T 3Lz 3Lo 3S -- scoring 97+ points.

    Kanako Muarakami was underestimated by many, including me. In the world of figure skating, anyone recognized as Japanese #1 could expect some preferential treatments. Murakami will be in such position after Sochi, competing for world medals with Russians without much surprise. Her relatively low risk contents might give her some edge in consistency.
     
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  29. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    The interesting thing about Murakami is that many of us (and probably her too) just couldn't know "how" she had skated when she stepped off the ice. She was always sort of clean, but UR was always a big problem for her. And everyone would have to wait until her scores were announced to know if she skated well or not. :p
     
  30. mgobluegirl

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    The thing that really bothers me about Murakami's skating is how she bends forward really far on many of her takeoffs. Otherwise she's quite pleasant to watch, but I haven't been able to get past that yet.