Sochi Olympics will test gay rights

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  1. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

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    I don't think expressing distaste for homophobic attitudes and criticsm of homophobic legislation equates to hating Russia and Russians. Also, most of the posters in this thread have advocated making a statement against these things by means other than an Olympic boycott.
     
  2. lala

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    I was very-very young in 1984. I was living in the Eastern Bloc, and one of my friend had a chance to go to Los Angeles Games because he passed the qualifying level, he was a long-jumper. But he could not go because the LA Games was boycotted by the Eastern Block. It was a tragedy for him, he almost cried, he worked so much for it. And he never had the opportunity again to attend an Olympics. His dreams were lost forever. Do you want it your favorite athletes?
     
  3. skateboy

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    As a gay male, I was willing to take your post seriously until you said THAT.
     
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  4. spikydurian

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    Alright, perhaps this may work. Why not provide refugee status to those who want to leave Russia? Perhaps Weir can start a campaign to push for refugee status for those who want to leave?

    I think Eyre’s quote was related to Angelskates’s comments: “So it would be a "I came to this country but I don't intend to obey the laws I don't like?" Where does that end?”. I believe it meant in relation what was posted earlier, “That you have enough law and order problems in your country, so why create the same in someone’s else’s country"

    Yes, I agree too that the crackdown will increase ten-fold. Let me share an article I came across which I thought was insightful and thoughtful. I cannot remember the name of the journalist but I think he’s American (no, definitely not Phil Hersh :p ). It is in relation to N. Korean refugees who escaped to the USA via the Chinese Embassy. A campaign by well-meaning activists in highlighting the N. Korean plights only resulted in setting off a Chinese crackdown that forced some 100,000 refugees back to North Korea whereas in the past, a blind eye was adopted towards the refugees. Whilst the campaign was successful in highlighting the’ big bad N. Korea’ it came at a price for future refugees. The very people the campaign aimed at helping, gained nothing.

    I don’t believe spectators care more about the Olympics than the athletes and those who supported them. I am not going to be depressed if there is no Olympics to watch. If I am an athlete who has worked my butts out and sacrificed for years to reach a level good enough to compete to represent my country in the Olympics, I would be depressed. And I think it is unfair to call these people selfish. Similarly, I can call those people who call for the boycott selfish because they think their campaign is more important than the athletes and their aspirations.
     
  5. BittyBug

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    Did Putin not sign the law? And without his signature would the proposal have become law?

    Please - laws being passed do not necessarily mean that they represent the views of a majority, otherwise, I'm quite sure that very few countries would have taxes. :p

    Are you serious? People criticize political leaders every day and it has absolutely no further implication on a country's people. I took the "Putinstan" moniker to represent Putin's well-established semi-autocratic authority.

    Are you serious? This has absolutely nothing to do with the Cold War, and I haven't seen anything in this thread to imply a broader hate for Russia as a country or the Russian people. The discussion in this thread is focused on one law, and if the best defense you can come up with for that law is trying to distract the conversation from the intended topic, I suppose you really can't defend it.

    When a country hosts the Olympics, it will necessarily come under closer scrutiny by the world at large. And when that host country passes a law that very expressly discriminates against a class of people, it should not be surprised if that action draws vocal criticism.
     
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  6. skatesindreams

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    The athletes need spectator support more than ever.
    Their success will do more to show how ridiculous these laws are than anything else
    Boycotting serves no useful purpose.
     
  7. overedge

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    It's not the campaign that is more important to many of them. It's the laws that the campaign is opposing.
     
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  8. lala

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    Yes, I'm serious. You are arrogant, you are thinking with your western brain.. Not to mention, we know in your country the gays also had a very long way. What do you think about it, everyone has right to medical care. How many people have no health insurance in U.S.? I want a boycott. And I want a boycott against Rio 2016!!! In Rio millions of people live in favela! They have rights for the normal life and healthy environment. And I wanted a boycott against Vancouver! The Canadians destroying the environment with the oil sands extraction.

    Do you know that the Athletic World Championships will be held in Moscow a few weeks later? We can see what will happen.
     
  9. VIETgrlTerifa

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    ^ Go ahead. Rally enough support for those causes and see how the general population reacts. The consensus of world opinion often picks and chooses what things they cannot put up with. I don't see how not making a big enough stink for other violations undermines the very real fact that the LGBTQ population is being targeted based on hostile animosity due attributes people cannot change. Saying that it's only targeting behavior and not sexuality is also a bit false because it's putting a heavy and non-realistic burden on that population.
     
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  10. centerpt1

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    I’m concerned for the discrimination that may face the Athletes before they even get to Sochi.
    Suppose New Zealand* decides that sending Blake (a vocal out gay short track skater) would be too risky- that his presence might endanger his team mates by making them a target of anti-gay violence? Violence seems to be accepted in Russia-as long as it’s against Gays.

    *just used as an example

    Even if Blake makes it to Sochi.....will he be stuck in the Village? Too risky to go out and get a tat or see local sights? Will his Fed bar him from leaving the Village?

    IT just takes away from the whole spirit and good will of the Games to potentially have some athletes treated differently than others- just because they’re part of the 10%- not the 90%.

    I’m not in favor of a boycott- that would hurt all the athletes that train so hard. But the whole situation is very sad.
     
  11. kwanfan1818

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    There's a difference between awarding the games when those issues are known, and quite another when legislation is created after the games are awarded, legislation that directly impacts the athletes, officials, voluntters, media, and spectators and forces paricipants to be held hostage in the athlete's village. Apartheid was the legal norm in South Africa, although there were private faclities where "coloreds" were physically protected, but this is as if apartheid were put in place after the games were awarded, or if morality police squads emerged within a year od the Games that would curtail the movement of the women who were involved with the Olympics.

    What about the alternates who are specifically not given credentials or a room in the village by the rules, but must be present "off campus" in case they are called? What happens if security is lax enough like in Munich and gay-bashers decide to take matters into their own hands in the village?
     
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  12. centerpt1

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    It does seem that some sort of protection/safeguards should be put in place, especially for the Athletes, their families, and spectators attending the Games.
     
  13. BittyBug

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    That there are other atrocities elsewhere in the world - everywhere in the world - does not in my opinion in any way diminish that this law is discriminatory and has the potential to not only marginalize a segment of the population but also put them at risk.
     
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  14. dots

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    After watching one of those gay torture videos circulating Youtube, I have come to the conclusion that hate crimes will happen at the Olympics. And I don't say this just because I'm emotional right now, but sometimes you just have to admit things are broken beyond repair. There's too much hatred going around.

    For those people that are minimizing the severity of these events, you deserve no respect. I don't respect you. You are everything that is wrong with this world.



    Some people in the skating community are not our friends PeterG. They are far far on the other side of the spectrum.
     
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  15. Sugar

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    Russian lawmaker wants ban on gay propaganda to be applied to Sochi Games
    http://rbth.ru/news/2013/07/28/russ...aganda_to_be_applied_to_sochi_game_28449.html
    Chairman of the St. Petersburg legislature's committee for legislation Vitaly Milonov, who is also the author of the city law banning gay propaganda, said the similar federal law should apply to the guests and athletes of the Sochi Winter Olympics."I haven't heard the government's commentaries, but I know that the government acts in compliance with Russian laws. If a law has been passed by parliament and signed by the president, the government has no right or powers to reverse it," Milonov told Interfax on Sunday on reports that the federal law banning homosexual propaganda will not be applied to foreign participants in the Sochi Olympics.
    "Any normal athlete, or sport fan arrives to support his team and to watch sport events in their splendor, not to violate the laws of the hosting country," he said.
     
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  16. lala

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    Yes.

    Yes, I agree. I just don't agree with the boycott.
     
  17. dardar1126

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    Two new viewpoints:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miche...he-olympics-russ_b_3667829.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    Michelangelo Signorile, Editor-at-large, HuffPost Gay Voices
    Boycott the Olympics? Russian Vodka? NBC? Maybe. Here Are Five Other Ripe Targets

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/29/russia-war-on-gays-sochi-olympics?CMP=twt_gu

    Shame on the IOC, NBC and foreign governments for turning a blind eye on Russia's LGBT hate campaign
    As long as the Sochi games are fine, the IOC and others will ignore Putin's moves to intimidate and hurt LGBT Russians

    Nancy Goldstein
    guardian.co.uk, Monday 29 July 2013 07.30 EDT
     
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    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/07/2...-over-anti-gay-laws-ahead-of-winter-olympics/

    Canada: Vancouver Mayor attacks Russia over anti-gay laws ahead of Winter Olympics

    by Joseph Patrick McCormick
    29 July 2013, 11:41pm

    Excerpt:

     
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  20. overedge

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    Just to point out that Mayor Gregor has always been very supportive of the LGBT community in Vancouver, so it's not like his views have been changed because of what's changed in Russia. Plus it's Pride Week in Vancouver, so it's a very relevant issue.
     
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  22. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Well, I don't expect athletes past or present to support any boycott. Of course they are justified as they are the ones directly affected by it, but I'd be more surprised to hear an athlete be supportive of one even if it means losing an opportunity for personal glory.
     
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    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/07/...anti-gay-law-enforced-during-winter-olympics/

    Russian lawmaker wants anti-gay law enforced during Winter Olympics

    BRODY LEVESQUE | LGBTQ Nation
    Monday, July 29, 2013

    Excerpt:

     
  25. Vagabond

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    Interestingly enough, two-time Olympic Pairs champions Andrée and Pierre Brunet were probably the first athletes to boycott an Olympic competition (Garmisch-Partenkirchen in 1936) for political reasons.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrée_Brunet
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Brunet_(figure_skater)

    With respect to Sochi, though, what any meaningful boycott would need is the support of gay groups in Russia, and, as I mentioned above, they apparently don't want one. I suspect that they would rather see athletes -- gay and straight alike -- speak up for gay rights rather than stay home.
     
  26. Iceman

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    There will be so much violence at this olympics that many countries will bring their athletes home for their own safety.
     
  27. DaveRocks

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    Wow. How lovely.
     
  28. judiz

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    Everyone seems to expect the athletes to lead the boycott, has there been any comments from any government as to possible boycotts as it is the governments that make that decision and not the athletes. - one athlete boycotts there is always another eager to take his place.
     
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    Russia has no sense of hospitality whatsoever and should never be chosen to host an international event of any kind - sport, fashion, music, art, whatever.

    A potential hosts to the world, they SUCK A$$, which, ironically, one of the gayest things anyone could do.......
     
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