Soccer player becomes figure skater aka Bestandigova news. (Threads Merged)

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Hedwig, Aug 21, 2010.

  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Asli - thanks a lot for all the insights. :)

    Well if he did have a serious knee injury that forced him out of football, then I can't imagine him making it to the 2014 season at all.

    Once he starts to jump and do lifts regularly, the pressure on his knees will be immense and the injury will most likely start flaring up again.

    Shame.

    Orbitz - Bestandigova has retired a while ago. Being Turkish National Champion (just don't mention you where the only ones competing ;)) is only going to help her show career, I think.
     
  2. Asli

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    Ziggy, whether he is injured or not it is impossible to take this experiment seriously. He never put on skates till he was 30, he's never going to make the minimum score for the Euros, let alone qualify for the olympics. His injury only shortens the time he will enjoy playing at being a skater.

    Still,as I said I am happy about the exposure he is giving to the sport. Plus if he tried he could bring in more sponsors with a phone call than the federation could with a year's struggle. I had never seen a Turkish skater on any kind of commercial - TV, written press, bilboards - until Ilhan appeared in this Clear shampoo commercial on skates and every bilboard was showing his skating photos. In the commercial he says that in skating, not only must your performance be precise but your hair must be perfect as well. Wheeeee! :rofl: He already knows the essentials of skating. He must read the FSU.

    Off topic except for showing the variety of sponsors he could bring in: Don't miss this commercial of the Evy Lady sanitary towels. :rofl: x infinity.
    In this macho sport, not many football players in the world who would accept to be beaten in beach football by a girl having her period - however good the sanitary napkins and however high the fee they earn. You go Ilhan! :kickass:
     
  3. orbitz

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    Cool shampoo commercial. It brought back memory of Dorothy Hamill's Short and Sassy commercial from the 70s. I can totally see Evan doing a commercial like that for Head & Shoulder, for example, but it's not going to happen.
     
  4. Ziggy

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    In other sports, there are loads of stories of people who have taken up a sport and became World Champions in a couple of years.

    Of course skating is very different, much more difficult. But then didn't Johnny Weir start skating very late in his life and became Junior World champ after a few years of training?

    The chance of them making it to Olympics is 0.1% but I'll reserve judgement until I see them compete. We need videos from Turkish Nats!

    Thanks for the commercial link. We need exactly this. Mass media messages that make skating look super cool instead of the usual frumpy, old ladies/gay/whatever venture.
     
  5. pennskater

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    Johnny Weir's 'late' start was at about age 12...lol
    In US most champions start at 3-5 years old.
     
  6. grandma

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    As the ISU is also putting a lot of significance on Adult Skating this is also a good promotion for our sport. I often have older people ringing up asking for training classes. The y have seen a skating movie or live sports coverage and now want to try out if this would be something to them.
     
  7. Ziggy

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    That is an extremely late start. Most skaters start at 5-6 years old.

    Most people would never imagine that somebody starting at 12 would be capable of achieving all he did.

    Of course it's very different than starting at 35. ;D

    But Ilhan used to be a top athlete and is physically in top shape, I would imagine.

    I don't know - I am normally so cynical and bitter but I can't help being super excited about this team.

    I know that their chances of making the Olympics are practically none but I have a lot of respect for him for trying.

    Grandma - glad to hear that! :)
     
  8. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    ziggy. clear your pm box!
     
  9. Artifice

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    Eventhough this man could be brilliant enough to learn skating tricks fast, his knees injury will most probably hold him back.
    To be an international pair skater he will have to learn the basic skating skills extremely fast, as well as jumps. He must be able to perform at least a double axel in competition, meaning of course that he has all the other double jumps.
    This will require a full time training, several hours a day to make up for the late start and age.
    And it's pretty much impossible. Figure skating is too hard. People tend to believe it's easy because champions make it look easy, but once they start they figure out how incredibly difficult it is.

    To do so he has to be a super talent. But since he is already a gifted sportman, maybe nothing is that impossible. And as a man it's easier to learn jumps at a late age than for a woman (after puberty it gets difficult for girls to even manage to keep their technic + they are less powerfull than boys especially with female body characteristics, fat vs muscles...).
    So I'll wait and see but I would not bet my money on their participation at any championship.
    They could maybe participate in an adult event where I believe they belong to.
     
  10. Ziggy

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    Ughhh that... :p

    Message me on FB please. ;)
     
  11. Doubletoe

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    Oh ye of little faith! My money's on them to kick the Indian pair's a$$es! :kickass:
     
  12. Ziggy

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  13. Asli

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    I think we see quite enough. :shuffle:
     
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    "The negative things is that Ilhan has to learn figure skating." :rofl:
     
  15. Andrey aka Pushkin

    Andrey aka Pushkin Brezina's Nemesis

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    Nah, he's not much worse than Bestandig :p
     
  16. Ziggy

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    I loved that part too. :biggrinbo
     
  17. Asli

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    Yes, the coach is doing very well in interviews, but I hope he's also giving Ilhan a dose of reality. In another video I saw them practicing an overhead lift off-ice - they didn't show the entry but it could only have been a lasso lift. With one hand and a one-hand dismount. :eek: Why on earth do you think they were practicing this lift? They wouldn't attempt it on ice, would they? Shouldn't he learn his back crossovers first?

    Olga Bestandigova is too sweet and way too young. Just saying.
     
  18. Artifice

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    It's interesting to see what a total beginner in FS, though a talented sportman, can do under great coaching conditions and with an experimented partner.
    This will show how far it is possible to go when starting late and with more than perfect training conditions.

    Wait and see.
     
  19. Hedwig

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    I think he will. Alex K├Ânig is a very good coach and one based in reality as well.
    When I asked him about the pair he was laughing a bit and said that it is good that he is training other couples as well because they won't be winning World medals. ;)
     
  20. Ziggy

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    Well athletes always do more things off-ice than on-ice.

    He might as well get ready with the bigger elements, so they are there as his basics progress.

    This is a very fascinating experiment and I hope they last.

    I wonder if the Turkish federation is funding them?
     
  21. Asli

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    I hope not. Ilhan Mansiz is not a skater and he has the means to fund the Turkish federation rather than vice versa. I know for a fact that the fee he earned for "skating" in the one shampoo clip I have linked above equals the funding Tugba Karademir received during her last two seasons, corresponding to her coaching, choreography, off-ice, equipment, travel and health expenses during these two seasons. Furthermore Ilhan received approximately the same amount as prize money for having won the Turkish "Dancing on Ice" and he donated that entire sum to charity. He is very much is demand for advertising and he just has to pick up the phone to find sponsors.

    Plus if the federaton had a say in the matter, they would team up Olga with any Turkish skater and it would work better.
     
  22. Ziggy

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    He must be loaded then (although that's not exactly surprising given he played for top level football clubs for years).

    Let's hope that he really gets involved in skating and doesn't quit a few months down the line, because if he does maybe he will fund some Turkish skaters.

    Thanks again for all the info. :)
     
  23. Asli

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    Even if he doesn't fund them himself he could really bring in the sponsors if he tried and that would be a terrific contribution. I hope he realizes the need and tries. He looks like a really nice guy.

    Tugba was not able to find a Turkish sponsor even for Olympic year. Except for her club from which she received a modest stipend.
     
  24. Ziggy

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    Yes, if he acted as the "face" of the Turkish Figure Skating federation he could do a lot of good.

    I guess it's a slim hope, I would imagine he doesn't know anything about figure skating. But maybe somebody will educate him. ;P
     
  25. grandma

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    DSL German Sports Television will be having Mansiz as a special guest on tomorows football show at round about 7pm GMT+2.
     
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    I'm guessing he thought this was better than getting her name tattooed on his chest! :lol:

    How do you say "Toe Pick" in Turkish?
     
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    Turkish soccer star eyes Olympic ice-skating glory
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE69R16620101028
     
  29. Ninchen

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    I think they'll report about this pair on German Tv RIGHT NOW:
    on Sat1: Kerner
    I just saw a short preview about a football player who becomes pairs skater, so...

    ETA:
    I enjoyed watching it :) Perhaps there will be a rerun and someone is able to record.
     
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    http://www.faz.net/s/Rub987B0DA694D7435 ... ntent.html

    new article, pretty much the same as before except that they are saying that they are getting more coverage by the media than for example Hausch /Wende who also train during the same times on the ice in Oberstdorf