Skating 'queen' Kim set to return (Threads merged)

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  1. Sugar

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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.16a6e795ea157b6f881d44a190c02852.8a1
    SEOUL — South Korean figure skating star Kim Yu-Na will make her competitive return to the ice in Germany this weekend, ending a break of more than 18 months from the sport, her management agency said.

    The reigning Olympic champion, 22, will take part in the NRW Trophy in Dortmund, chasing the points she needs to qualify for next year's world championships in Canada, her agency, All That Sports, said.
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  2. spikydurian

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    Good luck Yuna.
  3. Jeschke

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    i never really got that hype around yu-na although i see her as an excellent skater (especially clashing into the seniors scene 2006/2007 with great progammes), but i can´t help myself for just being excited and enthusiastic about her return now :lol:
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  4. arakwafan2006

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    I'm in the same boat. I think she benefited from being consistent in 2009-2010 and having a reliable difficult combination in the short and long. She is a good skater and a beautiful girl but I dont get the over hype.
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  5. l'etoile

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  6. Vash01

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    I don't get the hype over her either (except in Korea, obviously), but Yu na's return will raise the standard of ladies skating overnight.
  7. Sylvia

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    Maybe that's where the hype comes from then.

    Except I don't think it will. She's been out of it for a while and the gals I saw on the GP circuit were all doing triple-triples and 2X-triple, which you didn't see a few years ago w hen Yuna was winning everything.
  9. McIce

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    Oh, for sure.

    Like, half of them are doing triple toe-triple toe, while 2/3 of the other half had edge calls or under rotation for their 3 lip 3 toe or 3 flutz 3 toe. About 1/6 of those girls/laides had reliable difficult triple combo.

    How competitive they are! We should give them more hype!
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  10. Ziggy

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    This. Kim has never had issues with edge calls or underrotations that a lot of female skaters are struggling with.
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  11. l'etoile

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    It is the presence of Kim, I think, that all the excitements are coming from. You see someone like Yuna, Carolina, or Joannie compete at the scene, that would add up the excitement all the way, wouldn't it? But it should be also noted that Yuna was the one who settled the winning formula with difficult 3-3s in ladies field during her entire career, and she did it with inarguable artistry combined. What she accomplished on her way to Vancouver was just magic.
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    After her breathtaking 3/3, there was little about her skating that excited me. I hope she is prepared to abdicate or be dethroned. I admire, though, her finding the motivation needed to put herself through this when she could well rest on her past laurels, especially when she has said she does not relish competing. I can only imagine how difficult it must be for her to take this risk.
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  13. UMBS Go Blue

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  14. Simone411

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    Thanks for the info, Sugar. I've always liked Yuna; her artistry, style, and impeccable jumps. Looking forward to seeing her again. :)

    Thanks, UMBS Go Blue! :)
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    The 3-3's we saw at the GPs were mostly 3t-3t. How many are landing clean 3Lz3t? May be Liza and Adelina, but they don't have the artistry yet, and they are not consistently landing the 3Lz3t either. If Yu na is capable of landing a 3Lz combination (even a 3-2) and land most of the jumps she was landing 2 years ago, she will be tough to beat. She does not have the ur or the edge problems many of her competitors have. Artistically only Mao and Carolina can compete with her, but neither is a strong jumper at this point. Yu na is certainly beatable, but her presence alone will make other skaters try to raise their level of skating.

    Also, I don't think she will attempt a comeback if she did not believe that she could win. I don't think she is coming back to win silver or bronze.
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    Quite a few actually. Not only Liza and Adelina. Julia Lipnitskaia, Gracie Gold, Kostner has 3F-3T, didn't Osmond have it too?
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  18. l'etoile

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    ^ Adelina and Julia are having edge problems, and Carolina hasn't landed 3f-3t in quite a while:(
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    At Worlds 2011 Yu-na did not do a 3/3 in the short program. She had one ur at Worlds 2010 and at worlds 2009 she had an edge call in the short as well as in the long and also a ur in the long.
  20. l'etoile

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    That *cough*dubious*cough* edge problem was resolved in just one season and who doesn't have URs from time to time when they're off balance in the jumps? It's constant, chronicle URs that becomes the issue for skaters i.e., Mirai and Mao. All in all, I don't get your point here.
  21. McIce

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    I'm not even talking about if they have any edge calls on any of their jumps (Obviously Gracie Gold got edge calls on 3F at both GPs). Let's just talk about if they have edge calls on their triple triple combination (excluding 3t-3t).

    Besides Gracie and Liza, who else has reliable and regularly-used 3-3 (other than 3t-3t)?
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  22. peibeck

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    For NRW Yu-Na is not going to need a 3/3 anyway so long as her spin and step levels are good. This comp is about her getting the TES requirements for Worlds.
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    I think Yuna has one of the best 3-3s - huge(height, distance), great speed, powerful, effortless, consistent and beautiful! I have never seen that gorgeous 3F-3T and 3Lz-3T in ladies.
    She is a great skater with combination of artistry and athleticism. I'm so glad and excited about her comeback! :)
  24. Vash01

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    Kostner did not even compete in the GP this year, and last year she did not have a 3f-3t (it's been a long time since she landed one) or a 3Lz. You are obviously thinking of several years back. Julia and Gracie both had edge calls, and Julia's jumps are quite small compared to Yu na's (and I am not even a Yu na uber).

    Every skater is going to have a ur or an edge call occasionally. Yu na is no exception. Most of the time though her jumps are fully rotated and edge calls are rare for her.
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    Her speed & control were so amazing to watch. Never found her to be super artistic (ducking for cover) but her presentation was plenty good enough.

    We'll see what shape she's in, kinda hilarious that she'll be upstaging the GPF. Wonder what the ladies there will have to say about that.
  26. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I do think Yuna is one of the most technically proficient skaters ever. I'm happy to see her come back just to raise the standard and push the other ladies.

    That said, I have never liked any of Yuna's actual choreography nor her interpretation. She's sort of blank, but like Coco said, her presentation is pleasant enough.

    So I guess you can say, I'm happy to see her comeback, but she doesn't raise enough passion in me to get excited about it.
  27. riveredge

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    Well, she said before leaving to Dortmund that she's about 80% level in Vancouver. I'm excited to see her skate again.Good luck yuna!
  28. 4rkidz

    4rkidz GPF Barcelona here I come

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    who is coaching her now? I wish her good luck as well, will certainly add to the drama for the women's skating and nice timing for Sochi.. hope this means we might see her at worlds?
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    thanks Sylvia :) Les Miz is very timely with the movie coming out at Christmas..
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    A new German article about NRW Trophy that starts today:
    http://www.derwesten.de/sport/lokal...tlauf-welt-schaut-auf-dortmund-id7359078.html


    [English Translation - courtesy of Eclair from yunaforum.com]
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    The figure skating world is looking at Dortmund

    When world stars attend B-rate competitions, dearly treasured normality goes derail. This is experienced by the management of the NRW-Trophy in Dortmund, which until now was characterized by being a regional figure skating event with only a reasonable fan-block.

    But this belongs to the past. From today to sunday, a young lady from Korea turns everything upside down. Kim Yu-Na, 2010 Olympic gold medalist in figure skating, holds court in Dortmund. And one might almost say that the whole figure skating world is watching Dortmund. Film crews from Korea, Japan and the USA are coming, requests are overwhelming. Everyone wants a TV-signal for live TV-coverage. Within a few hours all tickets were sold out. Fan groups from Korea and Japan are flying to Westfalen to experience Kim Yu-Na live. Too bad, that all the Asians seemed to think, that the competition will be held in the big ice rink. Wrong: The competition will be held next-door, in the figure skating centrum (I don't know the english name for the rink), which will only provide enough space for a handful of audience. "We can't offer more than 200 seats.", organizer Frieder Dieck had to admit.

    The limited space is one problem, another the technical requirements for TV broadcasts. "I can barely sleep, when I'm merely thinking about it. This is a whole new league", Uwe Kisker admitted. To meet the requirements he will have to greatly improvise. The TV man probably will be dealing with the biggest challenge of his life.

    The media hype around the mulit-millionaire Kim Yu-Na is huge. The Olypmic champion, who, despite of her many fans and worshippers at home, seems to be known as being down-to-eath and easy to care of, is going to come with an escort of 9 persons. "As for extra-wishes, her management only asked for additional ice-time and a seperate shuttle.", said Ulrike Swillims from the figure skating centrum Dortmund. The hotel, in which she's going to reside, remains even after repeated demands, a secret.

    What else is happening in Dortmund? A lot of stars. From 38 nations, 223 sportswomen and sportsmen are going to come. Among them are exotic figure skating nations as Puerto Rico, the Philippines or Thailand. Though 7-time European champion Jewgeni Plusheko has cancelled his entry, the dream-duo of figure skating is coming to Dortmund instead. The world champions Aljona Savchnko/Robin Szolkowy are starting on Saturday.
    "Can we come?", their coach Ingo Steuer asked Frieder Dieck. "Of course you can", was the answer. Not completely voluntarily. After all the pair from Chemnitz missed the qualification for the simultaneously planned Grand Prix Final in Sochi due to illness.

    From German perspective, attention is also focused on Isabel Drescher and Nicole Schott. Nico Ulanowsky, last years German junior champion, drops out due to an injury. It's too bad that at least Saturday and Sunday are completely sold out. For Friday there still seems to be some tickets. And everyone in Germany, who is hoping for a live TV broadcast, will also be disappointed. ARD and ZDF didn't express broadcasting interests, neither did Eurosport.

    Article from Peter Kehl

    [End Translation]

    Yuna arrives today, and is physically in very good shape - about 80~90% of her Vancounver condition according to her interview. All signs are indicating that the Queen is really back. :hat1:



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  33. Japanfan

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    I appreciated, rather than adored, Yunah. She just never had that 'wow' or 'magic' factor me. But truth is if she got back in form, she could probably win Worlds this year. The ladies field is a bit lacking at the moment. Which reminds me - where is Kostner this season? Injured?
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    She skipped the Grand Prix because she wanted to take a longer rest and is scheduled to compete at Golden Spin Trophy in 2 weeks.
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    If Kim is 80% of what she was in Vancouver, then she'd be looking at TES of around 35 in SP and 62 in the FS, which is well over the 28/48 she'd need for the World TES minimums. That's a little bit more than the 32.97 TES in the SP and 61.72 TES in FS she scored at 2011 Worlds. There, she did 3Lz, 3F/2T, and 2A, plus L3 steps and L4 spins in the SP, and the base for that program is 28.5, which shows how high the TES minimum actually is. (The minimum for 4C's/Euros is 20, and the base value for the easiest jumps to fulfill the requirements -- 3T/2T, 2A, 3S -- plus 3-L1 spins and L1 FW is 20.2.) In the FS, she singled the T in the 3S combo and singled the flip, but she did not get a single -GOE on any element.
  36. misskarne

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    "additional ice time and a seperate shuttle".

    Wow. Isn't there a thread in the Trash Can about "entitled" skaters? Maybe this belongs there.

    And as suspected, the Yunabots got all the tickets, and real skating fans who want to see other skaters have missed out.
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  37. alilou

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    And you know this how?
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    Actually this comment definitely belong there, also known as the "entitled" trolls thread.
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    I think you’re mistaken. She's RENTING additional ice time at a nearby practice rink. And it’s reasonable for her to arrange for a shuttle van since she has some company (a group of nine including her coaches). I assume she’s paying for that too.

    Your comment on Yu-Na fans is quite rude. Are you saying the fans, who go distance to see her from Korea, other parts of Europe, and Japan, are not real fans? Every fan has his/her favorites, and all fans want to see exceptional athletes live. They had no better chance than others when it comes to getting the seats.

    I can’t wait to see Yu-Na's new programs -- the routine, the music cut, the costume, everything! It’s great the event organizers are making extra efforts to provide good TV coverage.
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    For me, Yuna is the most brilliant female skater since Michelle Kwan. Period. BUT, everybody has their own favorites, just like we all have our own favorite singers, etc. Nevertheless, regardless of how some skating fans feel about her, her return to skating will bring much needed attention to ladies figure skating, and that IS a good thing.
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