I really love hearing Debi's insights (both skating and medical) but I do agree she rambles pretty badly and, left to her own devices, can run away with an interview quickly. I think she treats interviews like a big open conversation and basically makes her own sequiturs and connections. The interviewer is merely someone to "talk to," as it were. I don't think she does this out of insane egoism or some power-trip like others are suggesting, but I imagine she's just someone who feels naturally compelled to "take the lead" in almost every given situation in her life. Extreme perfectionists are nothing if not control freaks, as evidenced by her comments on her Calgary experiences. Unfortunately, that can make for an extremely unfocused interview if not checked. I remember listening to Manleywoman's podcast with her, and there I also felt Debi constantly veered into unrelated tangents and tried to set the pace of the interview, no doubt unconsciously. I thought Manleywoman did a good job bringing her back to topic, backing up or slowing Debi down if she got too far ahead of herself, or make whatever she was saying relatable to skating in general. Ultimately, it's the interviewer's responsibility to assume control as much as possible, and I have to admit, I think Jenny and Dave kinda got run over and didn't know how to re-adjust as quickly when Debi would go off topic. They didn't seem to have a Plan B, and it showed. But, having said that, obviously Debi is not the easiest person to interview. I think we can all see that, and I don't envy the person given the task to conduct and construct a linear, cohesive interview with her that is evenly well-rounded and relevant all in one. However, in spite of all that, I still find Debi fascinating to listen to. She seems to have so many great stories to share, and above all, her candor and self-awareness when it comes to her strengths, but also her flaws and shortcomings as a skater and person, are very refreshing.