Skating in Dubai or not

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by vexlak, Apr 12, 2013.

  1. vexlak

    vexlak Member

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    I noticed a posting on the ISU to keep skaters from competing in Dubai. Understandably so, because they are not members.
    However from the business stand point of view and future of the sport, would it be more appropriate to promote the sport in one of the richest countries in the world? Or at least not routing against it?

    When will the ISU management take heads out of the sand and smell the roses?

    http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/...3,4844-205151-222374-nav-list,00.html?id=1306
     
  2. J-Ro

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    Methinks the ISU is just a tad uppity. I agree with you completely. I'm sure if the ISU weren't so stuck on protocol, it could grant an exception on a trial basis and work with the UAE to become a member and develop skating. Yes, with all the money in Dubai (they have an indoor ski area, don't they?), the Middle East could become the next figure skating, er, hotbed. I say, don't knock it.
     
  3. overedge

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    The ISU is warning people not to participate in this particular competition because it's not sanctioned by them. And looking at the announcement, I can see why they issued this statement.

    http://www.danskate.dk/da/Det sker/...ncer/2 ANNOUNCENENTDUBAI GOLDEN CUP 2013.ashx

    The announcement mentions the ISU a few times, including that the competition will be run by ISU rules. So an ISU-eligible skater could well read this and think that it was an ISU-approved competition.

    The ISU is not saying they are against skating in Dubai in general. And they're not saying that they won't ever do business in Dubai.
     
  4. J-Ro

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    Right. But I'm suggesting that maybe the ISU could work with the organizers in Dubai and recognize an opportunity.
     
  5. jlai

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    There are quite a lot of non-IsU sanctioned comps in Asis, including some of the recent skating challenges in the jr level
     
  6. overedge

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    Maybe the ISU doesn't think the competition is developed enough for an ISU sanction. Also, the competition organizers indicate in the announcement that they want "to promote the newly organized UAE Figure Skating Federation, eventually to be under the governance of the International Skating Union". Maybe the ISU has other plans to organize a federation in this region and doesn't want to work with this particular group.

    Yes, it's an opportunity, but I see nothing wrong with the ISU deciding not to work with this particular opportunity. It will not be the last or only competition in this region.
     
  7. vexlak

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    You are correct in theory which I agree with letting anyone know that it is not ISU sanctioned event.

    What strikes me is the second part of the announcement:
    "ISU Members should therefore refrain from entering Competitors and Officials into this competition"

    Refrain? Why? Can a member be punished by attending after all? It sure sounds that way.
    Why could not ISU have a little bit of business sense? We are reading about the sport going down the drain and loosing fan base, yet we turn backs to a promotion in a $$$ rich country? When will they (ISU) wake up? When it's late?
     
  8. overedge

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    Yes, an ISU skater or official can be punished by the ISU if they participate in a non-sanctioned competition or event (such as an ice show). This is true within ISU member federations as well, e.g. competitors in Canada who are Skate Canada members can be punished by Skate Canada if they participate in an event in Canada that is not sanctioned by Skate Canada.

    As I pointed out above, maybe the ISU has reasons why they are warning their members not to participate in this particular competition. But whatever the reason is, it does not mean that the ISU wants to never have anything to do with skating in Dubai, or to ignore the opportunities there. Maybe they want to promote their own competition at some point, I don't know. But telling people not to participate in one competition is not shutting the door on skating in that country forever.
     
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Maybe it has to do with young skaters that competed there last year who were unaware the competition was not sanctioned by the ISU? From the FSU Archives:
    ETA a history of figure skating in UAE:
    http://www.facebook.com/DubaiFigureSkatingAcademy/posts/542231102461686
     
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  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    2013 Golden Cup of Dubai Figure Skating Championships Begins Today [April 25]: http://www.dubaichronicle.com/2013/04/25/golden-cup-of-dubai-figure-skating-championships/
    Excerpt:
     
  11. overedge

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    Kristina Romanova and Lydia Paly-Hume are "famous names in international figure skating"? I Googled Paly-Hume and the only hits that came up were references to the story that Sylvia linked.

    ETA: Oh my, the "Queen of Ice World" website is quite something: http://www.queenoficeworld.org/v1/
     
  12. zaphyre14

    zaphyre14 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the ISU is trying to send a message to "the richest country in the world" that they have to follow the rules the same as every other member federation and get a sanction for their competition ahead of time like everyone else?
     
  13. allezfred

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    This. It might help if they got their act together and actually applied to be an ISU member. :shuffle:
     
  14. MacMadame

    MacMadame Internet Beyotch

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    What a concept?! :drama:

    Silly ISU expecting people to play by the rules and not put out misleading press releases making it seem like their competitions are sanctioned when they aren't.
     
  15. jlai

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    I thought I've seen similar references to ISU in the announcements of other non-sanctioned comps before, like in those Asian jr figure skating challenges
     
  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    In 2009, Dubai denied an entry of then a prominent Israeli professional tennis player, Shahar Peer, into their tennis tournament presumably due to a long-standing Jewish-Muslim geo-political conflict. The American tennis player Andy Roddick subsequently withdrew from the tournament in solidarity with Ms. Peer, thereby effectively denying himself of prize money and appearance fees, even though he at the time was a defending champion.

    The governing world-wide tennis federation subsequently heavily sanctioned UAE federation in order to prevent such discrimination from happening again. The governing body was able to act accordingly, since UAE was a member country.

    I'm not saying UAE skating event would exert same kind of discriminatory policy. However, I am merely pointing out that sometimes even ISU may have a valid point. Remember how cautious the Japanese skating federation was to sending their skaters to COC grand prix event the last November due to the mounting political tension between China and Japan at that time? The geo-political tension around the middle eastern region is even higher now than in 2009.

    I am all for money and spreading skating popularity. However, EAU not being a member federation, ISU would be out of luck pulling whatever little leverage it may have when something happens. I think it is prudent for ISU to be cautious.
     
  18. N_Halifax

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    It's certainly a very interesting debate. I'm of the belief that the ISU should definitely recognize an opportunity to work with the organizers and "federation" of Dubai to assist them with intregrating events like this one into the ISU structure. While I think it's AWESOME to see competitions being held ALL over the world, it would be absolutely devastating to see any skater be punished or lose funding, eligibility, training access because they attended an event unknowingly not realizing it wasn't ISU sanctioned. I agree with you all that the ISU is approaching this matter in an appropriate way. Look at me agreeing with the ISU... and I'm not even drinking!
     
  19. mineko

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    You and me both! :lol: Who would have thought to agree with ISU. ;) But this is an important discussion to have.
     
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    Any word of any ISU eligible big names who competed here?
     
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    Another reason to respect Andy Roddick. While I'm no super fan of the ISU, if Dubai would choose to be discriminatory to any skater of any nationality/religion, that would be reason enough for me not to have an ISU event there. Discrimination should not happen in ANY sport.
     
  22. Iceman

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    With all the money there, maybe they would fund a figure skating tv channel. Half tongue-in cheek; half serious.
     
  23. leafygreens

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    They have tried to make the competition seem ISU-friendly when it is not. Whether this is deliberate or dishonest remains to be seen. Combined with the possibility of political issues, I understand why the ISU is hesitant to be linked at this point.

    On another note, does anybody know the state of ice rinks in Dubai? I know there is an indoor ski resort! Wondering about their electric bill...
     
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  25. AxelAnnie

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    Oh - I am on the other side in this. UAE is perfectly capable of joining the ISU. And, the ISU is correct to stand by the rule Re membership IMO. ISU cannot enforce its rules and standards on a country that is not a member. And, since a country has all the money they would ever need, what is to stop them from paying exorbitant amounts of money to skaters....having their own GP...etc. And, if they are members, I would assume having UAE events non-sanctioned would be sticky.
     
  26. Susan M

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    To my thinking, this is really no different from losing your eligibility by competing in the old World Pros or any other non-ISU competition. I suspect the reason for this particular ISU notice is that they are worried that the organizer's repeated references to the ISU will mislead skaters into assuming this is an ISU event, though.

    Seeing that, I hope they decide to waive this penalty for the young skaters who competed there last year not realizing what they were doing.