Skate Canada's international selection criteria for Senior B & JGP assignments

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    2012/2013 International Selection Junior Grand Prix and Sr. International Events document including the benchmark target scores: http://www.skatecanada.ca/Portals/2/2012-2013_Selection_Criteria-EN.pdf
    In addition to the Salt Lake entries (see below), Kevin Reynolds and Kaitlyn Weaver/Andrew Poje have been assigned to the Ondrej Nepela Memorial:
    http://www.skatecanada.ca/Developme.../tabid/234/language/en-US/Default.aspx#srintl

    Salt Lake City Senior B assignments:
    Amélie Lacoste, Jeremy Ten, Liam Firus, Kirsten Moore-Towers/Dylan Moscovitch and Paige Lawrence/Rudi Swiegers; plus Piper Gilles/Paul Poirier and Alexandra Paul/Mitchell Islam.
     
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  2. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Thanks for posting that. I'll be looking to see if any of the ladies at Thornhill this weekend can break 130.
     
  3. crzesk8dad

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    It appears to me that SC has a more rational approach than USFS, one that is based on current abilities and performance, not solely on how the skater performed back in January. Just my humble opinion.
     
  4. euterpe

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    "All skaters will be required to compete at a summer competition completing all portions of the event (SD, FD / SP, FP) "

    Amelie Lacoste did the FS only at the Quebec summer competition. Yet she has already been assigned to the US International "B" event in SLC. I'm sure this won't be the only example of a deviation from the "standards". Every year, SC issues standards but has been known to ignore them when giving out assignments. Not quite as rational as one might like.

    It's also more than a little irrational to suggest that "preference" for JGP assignments would be given to skaters who have 3/3s. Maybe one or two men can do a 3/3, but I can't remember the last time a Canadian lady has had a 3/3 ratified.

    Skate Canada has traditionally given JGP assignments to Senior ladies who are still age eligible, even if they don't skate well in summer events. This year, all the seniors except Osmond and Chartrand aged out, which is why this year, two 2012 Nationals junior medalists were chosen. However, Chartrand hasn't performed that well at her summer events, while Sandrine Martin has performed very well at both Liberty and Quebec, yet Chartrand got a JGP assignment and Martin did not.

    BTW, USFS does take summer performance into consideration. Last season, Gracie Gold (who didn't make it to 2011 Nationals) did get a JGP assignment.
     
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    Also Piper Gilles & Paul Poirier, Alexandra Paul & Mitchell Islam
     
  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Oops! Too fast a copy/paste job. ;) Fixed.

    I hope Kate Charbonneau [41.14 (SP) + 91.63 (FS Final round) = 132.77 at Skate Detroit] will get a Senior B opportunity at Nebelhorn or Finlandia.

    Kaetlyn Osmond was the highest scoring Canadian lady at Skate Detroit with a combined score of 141.72 [41.69 (SP) + 100.03 (FS Final round)].

    ETA: Jeremy Ten scored 186.99 at Glacier Falls (123.61 FS). Andrei Rogozine scored 179.37 at Skate Detroit (113.65 FS) and is scheduled to compete at Thornhill this weekend.
     
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    Charbonneau should have gotten a shot at this competition. She met the minimum score by SC. She also has a full competition under her at Detroit. Lacoste hasn't even competed a SP yet and technically doesn't meet the criteria
     
  8. Sylvia

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    Has Kevin Reynolds competed yet this summer? It's possible that 2012 World team members are exempt from the published criteria...
     
  9. euterpe

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    Reynolds is scheduled to compete at BC Summerskate this week.
     
  10. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    I wonder if they will use summer scores to choose the TBD spot for ladies at Skate Canada. Maybe Charbonneau is being considered for that.
     
  11. Ziggy

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    THIS x infinity.
     
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    The document also says, "For all assignments - Preference may be given to skaters who have attained a score that demonstrates a top 5 placement potential at that level of competition. The score must have been achieved at an international competition in the previous season."

    Lacoste is the current Canadian champion and achieved the minimum score at 2012 Worlds. I see nothing untoward in this assignment.
     
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    Any idea if Elladj Balde is skating at a summer event?
     
  14. Sylvia

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    All I know is that he finished 4th in the SP (scored 63.68) at Skate Detroit in late July but did not compete his FS.

    ETA: Just read in the Canadian summer competitions thread in Kiss and Cry that Andrei Rogozine competed at WOS Summer Sizzle. He improved his total score from Skate Detroit to 195.03 (62.32 SP + 132.71 FS).
     
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    Kaetlyn Osmond landed a gorgeous 3T+3T in the SP at the '12 WJC
     
  16. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    I don't know but I read this on Jeremy Abbott's twitter:

     
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    Who did the choreo for Balde?
     
  18. sk8hrd

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    Carmelengo was supposed to be doing Elladje's FS but it wasn't ready for Detroit Skate.
     
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    I hear that V/M will be returning to Finlandia for a warm-up to their season:)
     
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    that'd be nice
     
  21. Sylvia

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    Cross-posting more hearsay info to this relevant thread:
     
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    Andrei Rogozine is slated to do Oberstdorf, too.
     
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    From BC Summerskate, cut-off for normal minimum target scores:

    Senior Dance (125/115):
    Yes: Orford/Williams (139.01) -- Assigned to NHK based on SB 21 (JW)
    No for Senior B: Van As/Shindle (116.59). She's 20, he'll be 20 in December. I'm not sure if they are juniors internationally. They met the JGP minimum of 115.

    Junior Dance (125/115)
    Yes: Dalmer/Firus (119.43) for JGP
    No: Bruser/Lum (113.95)

    Edwards/Pang: SD only and assigned to JGP this weekend

    Senior Men (185/155):
    Yes: Reynolds (216.30) -- with two GPs, he could request a Senior B -- and Ten (192.62) for Senior B; L. Firus (175.05) for JGP
    No: Gordon (136.50) and Godfrey (88.52)*

    *Yes, he deserved to be last, but, no, he didn't deserve those appallingly low PCS scores.

    Junior Men (185/155)
    Yes: Mitchell (160.15) for JGP
    No: Wolfe (120.99), Cuevas (199.72), and Hori (112.30)

    Senior Women (130/115)
    Yes: Kitty Qian (138.30)
    No: Gray (112.90), Leniuk (112.69), Rynn (98.93)
     
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    Firus is 19 and has aged out of juniors.
     
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    Hasn't Firus been assigned to Skate Canada? If he doesn't make the minimum in Salt Lake does anyone know what will happen?
     
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    He was born on 2 July, and I thought he was the magic age before the magic deadline. He's going to have a tough time as a Senior this year, unless Skate Canada decides to "reserve(s) the right to waive [the minimum score] requirement in extenuating circumstances." He fell on both 3A attempts (SP and FS) at BC Summerskate, and three more times in the FS. He is going to SLC; I hope he's gotten the kinks out of the program.

    I wonder if Mark Pillay is his choreographer this year. His 2011-12 programs are still up on his bio, and the choreographer listing might be old.

    ETA:

    He was :duh: (I'm confusing him with his little bro again.)

    The minimums guidelines are for JGP and Senior B's, not for GP. Technically, SC could replace any of their host spots, but I'm not sure they'd be willing to do that, especially since they don't have many choices. There's still a TBA. Rogozine already has one and is high on the sub list (as if they matters), and I suspect they've got Balde or Ten in mind for the spot. Ten fell on his 3A's, too, but landed a bunch, too.
     
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    Has SC assigned any ladies to Nebelhorn?
     
  28. Sylvia

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    Is SC only permitted to send 1 lady to the Senior B events? Only Osmond assigned to Nebelhorn.
     
  30. Sylvia

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    The 2012 Nebelhorn Announcement says:
    "Each ISU Member has the right to nominate one competitor for each single event in the NEBELHORN-TROPHY 2012. Member Federations, placed 1 to 10 at the NEBELHORNTROPHY 2011 in the category concerned, are entitled to enter two participants."

    Adriana DeSanctis placed 14th last year, while Elladj Baldé was 10th and Samuel Morais 11th.