Skate Canada's international selection criteria for Senior B & JGP assignments

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    2012/2013 International Selection Junior Grand Prix and Sr. International Events document including the benchmark target scores: http://www.skatecanada.ca/Portals/2/2012-2013_Selection_Criteria-EN.pdf
    In addition to the Salt Lake entries (see below), Kevin Reynolds and Kaitlyn Weaver/Andrew Poje have been assigned to the Ondrej Nepela Memorial:
    http://www.skatecanada.ca/Developme.../tabid/234/language/en-US/Default.aspx#srintl

    Salt Lake City Senior B assignments:
    Amélie Lacoste, Jeremy Ten, Liam Firus, Kirsten Moore-Towers/Dylan Moscovitch and Paige Lawrence/Rudi Swiegers; plus Piper Gilles/Paul Poirier and Alexandra Paul/Mitchell Islam.
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  2. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Thanks for posting that. I'll be looking to see if any of the ladies at Thornhill this weekend can break 130.
  3. crzesk8dad

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    It appears to me that SC has a more rational approach than USFS, one that is based on current abilities and performance, not solely on how the skater performed back in January. Just my humble opinion.
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    "All skaters will be required to compete at a summer competition completing all portions of the event (SD, FD / SP, FP) "

    Amelie Lacoste did the FS only at the Quebec summer competition. Yet she has already been assigned to the US International "B" event in SLC. I'm sure this won't be the only example of a deviation from the "standards". Every year, SC issues standards but has been known to ignore them when giving out assignments. Not quite as rational as one might like.

    It's also more than a little irrational to suggest that "preference" for JGP assignments would be given to skaters who have 3/3s. Maybe one or two men can do a 3/3, but I can't remember the last time a Canadian lady has had a 3/3 ratified.

    Skate Canada has traditionally given JGP assignments to Senior ladies who are still age eligible, even if they don't skate well in summer events. This year, all the seniors except Osmond and Chartrand aged out, which is why this year, two 2012 Nationals junior medalists were chosen. However, Chartrand hasn't performed that well at her summer events, while Sandrine Martin has performed very well at both Liberty and Quebec, yet Chartrand got a JGP assignment and Martin did not.

    BTW, USFS does take summer performance into consideration. Last season, Gracie Gold (who didn't make it to 2011 Nationals) did get a JGP assignment.
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    Also Piper Gilles & Paul Poirier, Alexandra Paul & Mitchell Islam
  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Oops! Too fast a copy/paste job. ;) Fixed.

    I hope Kate Charbonneau [41.14 (SP) + 91.63 (FS Final round) = 132.77 at Skate Detroit] will get a Senior B opportunity at Nebelhorn or Finlandia.

    Kaetlyn Osmond was the highest scoring Canadian lady at Skate Detroit with a combined score of 141.72 [41.69 (SP) + 100.03 (FS Final round)].

    ETA: Jeremy Ten scored 186.99 at Glacier Falls (123.61 FS). Andrei Rogozine scored 179.37 at Skate Detroit (113.65 FS) and is scheduled to compete at Thornhill this weekend.
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  7. hohoho

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    Charbonneau should have gotten a shot at this competition. She met the minimum score by SC. She also has a full competition under her at Detroit. Lacoste hasn't even competed a SP yet and technically doesn't meet the criteria
  8. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Has Kevin Reynolds competed yet this summer? It's possible that 2012 World team members are exempt from the published criteria...
  9. euterpe

    euterpe Well-Known Member

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    Reynolds is scheduled to compete at BC Summerskate this week.
  10. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    I wonder if they will use summer scores to choose the TBD spot for ladies at Skate Canada. Maybe Charbonneau is being considered for that.
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    THIS x infinity.
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    The document also says, "For all assignments - Preference may be given to skaters who have attained a score that demonstrates a top 5 placement potential at that level of competition. The score must have been achieved at an international competition in the previous season."

    Lacoste is the current Canadian champion and achieved the minimum score at 2012 Worlds. I see nothing untoward in this assignment.
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  13. JasperBoy

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    Any idea if Elladj Balde is skating at a summer event?
  14. Sylvia

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    All I know is that he finished 4th in the SP (scored 63.68) at Skate Detroit in late July but did not compete his FS.

    ETA: Just read in the Canadian summer competitions thread in Kiss and Cry that Andrei Rogozine competed at WOS Summer Sizzle. He improved his total score from Skate Detroit to 195.03 (62.32 SP + 132.71 FS).
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  15. fsfan22

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    Kaetlyn Osmond landed a gorgeous 3T+3T in the SP at the '12 WJC
  16. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    I don't know but I read this on Jeremy Abbott's twitter:

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    Who did the choreo for Balde?
  18. sk8hrd

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    Carmelengo was supposed to be doing Elladje's FS but it wasn't ready for Detroit Skate.
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    I hear that V/M will be returning to Finlandia for a warm-up to their season:)
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    that'd be nice
  21. Sylvia

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    Cross-posting more hearsay info to this relevant thread:
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    Andrei Rogozine is slated to do Oberstdorf, too.
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    From BC Summerskate, cut-off for normal minimum target scores:

    Senior Dance (125/115):
    Yes: Orford/Williams (139.01) -- Assigned to NHK based on SB 21 (JW)
    No for Senior B: Van As/Shindle (116.59). She's 20, he'll be 20 in December. I'm not sure if they are juniors internationally. They met the JGP minimum of 115.

    Junior Dance (125/115)
    Yes: Dalmer/Firus (119.43) for JGP
    No: Bruser/Lum (113.95)

    Edwards/Pang: SD only and assigned to JGP this weekend

    Senior Men (185/155):
    Yes: Reynolds (216.30) -- with two GPs, he could request a Senior B -- and Ten (192.62) for Senior B; L. Firus (175.05) for JGP
    No: Gordon (136.50) and Godfrey (88.52)*

    *Yes, he deserved to be last, but, no, he didn't deserve those appallingly low PCS scores.

    Junior Men (185/155)
    Yes: Mitchell (160.15) for JGP
    No: Wolfe (120.99), Cuevas (199.72), and Hori (112.30)

    Senior Women (130/115)
    Yes: Kitty Qian (138.30)
    No: Gray (112.90), Leniuk (112.69), Rynn (98.93)
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    Firus is 19 and has aged out of juniors.
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    Hasn't Firus been assigned to Skate Canada? If he doesn't make the minimum in Salt Lake does anyone know what will happen?
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    He was born on 2 July, and I thought he was the magic age before the magic deadline. He's going to have a tough time as a Senior this year, unless Skate Canada decides to "reserve(s) the right to waive [the minimum score] requirement in extenuating circumstances." He fell on both 3A attempts (SP and FS) at BC Summerskate, and three more times in the FS. He is going to SLC; I hope he's gotten the kinks out of the program.

    I wonder if Mark Pillay is his choreographer this year. His 2011-12 programs are still up on his bio, and the choreographer listing might be old.

    ETA:

    He was :duh: (I'm confusing him with his little bro again.)

    The minimums guidelines are for JGP and Senior B's, not for GP. Technically, SC could replace any of their host spots, but I'm not sure they'd be willing to do that, especially since they don't have many choices. There's still a TBA. Rogozine already has one and is high on the sub list (as if they matters), and I suspect they've got Balde or Ten in mind for the spot. Ten fell on his 3A's, too, but landed a bunch, too.
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  27. hohoho

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    Has SC assigned any ladies to Nebelhorn?
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    Is SC only permitted to send 1 lady to the Senior B events? Only Osmond assigned to Nebelhorn.
  30. Sylvia

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    The 2012 Nebelhorn Announcement says:
    "Each ISU Member has the right to nominate one competitor for each single event in the NEBELHORN-TROPHY 2012. Member Federations, placed 1 to 10 at the NEBELHORNTROPHY 2011 in the category concerned, are entitled to enter two participants."

    Adriana DeSanctis placed 14th last year, while Elladj Baldé was 10th and Samuel Morais 11th.
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    I wonder who will get the TBD host pick for ladies at Skate Canada. I thought the Salt Lake City and Nebelhorn assignments would give us a clue, but nope!
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    Thanks Sylvia for the info.

    SC seems to want to keep it a secret on the TBA for SCI. I don't think after Nebelhorn there is anything else internationally. Desanctis was there last year. But my bet would be on Charbonneau. When you look at the senior scores from the ladies this year, Grenier has scored ok. But that was at Quebec summer skate.
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    Finlandia is still an option.
  34. ChiquitaBanana

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    Maybe they wanted to know how was Samson's skating...
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    I'm very glad to see Elladj Baldé get a Senior B assignment. With the improvements that have resulted from his new coaching situation (and, apparently, no injuries), he could do well at Nebelhorn.
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    Fingers and toes crossed!
  37. hohoho

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    It is hard to understand SC rationale when it applies to the ladies group. They have selected well for the JGP so far. But then they seem to miss something with the seniors. Knowing they have 2 slots for the US senior B and only send Lacoste. Then with one spot at nebelhorn they send one. So one spot is lost to a potential SCI TBA. Have they decided to go with a youth movement and only giving Lacoste a Senior B because they had to assign her to SCI? Have they lost interest in Charboneau and Grenirer (excluded Najarro and Phaneuf -injury)? I personally agree with the youth movement. Lacoste did not raise any eyebrows at Quebec, Phaneuf is injured, Desanctis has been competing but yawn, and Najarro is injured. That leaves Osmond to lead the way and has shown in summer comps she is willing. Lacoste and Osmond head to head at SCI. I think with the international judging Osmond beats Lacoste. Will be interesting.
  38. Erin

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    I actually think that what they've done makes a certain amount of sense. I was initially confused by the Lacoste assignment, because I had forgotten that she only has one GP. But I can definitely understand why SC would want their national champion to have a second assignment. And Osmond definitely needed a senior B...I just wish she could get another one. To me, Osmond was by far the most impressive Canadian lady last seaon and desperately needs ISU points because she is way down in 82nd place in the ISU World Rankings. If we had enough spots, I'd send Charbonneau and/or Samson to a Senior B (and Finlandia may still be an option), but not at the expense of Lacoste or especially Osmond.

    I've actually been reasonably impressed with the assignments that SC has done so far. All of the skaters who only have one GP (Firus, Rogozine, Lacoste, Osmond, Ralph & Hill) were assigned to a senior B. Paul & Islam got two Bs to help make up for not having a GP. Ten & Balde both get a B, giving a chance to figure one whether one of them (or Rogozine) should get the SC spot. And since Gilles & Poirier are starting out with no ISU points, it's good for them to have a B as well. The JGP assignments also look good, with the first assignments going to the three ladies I think have the most potential and actually using all of the pairs assignments. I'm often very critical of SC's assignment process, so I feel like this is a minor miracle.
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  39. hohoho

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    I agree with all you are saying. Just wish SC could have sent another to US Senior B
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    I've heard that Kate Charbonneau scored somewhere in the 120s (total score) at the MN State Championships last weekend. I believe that's been her only summer competition this year, correct?