Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by judgejudy27, Nov 20, 2010.
Too funny. Someone's bitter...
Whats funny. I never meant anything I said as a joke. And a bitter individual would be blind to the facts and refusing to accept them. I however am observent to the truth and accept the way things are, hence the poll debating the available silver and bronze medals for the mens event.
Well, anyway, he won Skate Canada with 4 falls, not Worlds !
He didn't even win Cup of Russia with 4 falls !
I am one of those who think his skills are far superior to anyone else (and I'm an Abbott fan). But winning Worlds is not the same.
At Worlds, I hope the other skaters will be at their top. And if this is the case, Chan will need to fall less than twice to win !
He competed against everyone noteable except Takahashi, and Takahashi barely beat Oda in his second event (would have lost without Oda doing an extra combo). So obviously Chan doesnt need to do more than he already has to win Worlds. As for losing Cup of Russia with 4 falls that is only due to the extra combo, otherwise it would have required atleast a 5th and maybe a 6th fall for defeat to occur. So no he didnt really lose Cup of Russia with just 4 falls in the true sense of things. I think it is wishful thinking to believe 4 falls would be enough for Chan to lose Worlds. 5 maybe he would lose, depending on who skates clean and lights out I guess, but that is probably even a stretch, especialy as the CSA will likely pour even more money into this plan by then.
There is no gold competition at Worlds. Only a silver and bronze one. And that one should be quite a battle with the # of contenders.
You are aware that the only reason Chan didn't repeat as a 4 fall champ at the Grand Prix of Russia was because he did an extra 4th illegal jump combo that he received absolutely no credit for, right? Had he only done a solo 2Axel at the end instead of a 2Axel+3toe combo, he would have won a second straight gold medal with 4 falls in a competition. So, in the judges' minds, a 4 fall Chan is better than Verner with no falls, a clean SP, and an 8 triple LP. Any sane, reasonable person can see the great flaw in that.
Even if Chan didn't add extra 3T to the 2A, the score would be a little more than 230. The judges could "adjust" not to let him win. And it's clearly impossible to win WC with this kind of score.
I just think falling 4 times in a competition should affect the SS score a bit... slightly at least. In this case, he got 8.50 in comparison with Verner and Abbott's 7.89 (in the free). Also, there is such thing as intepretation - did he really interpret the music the best of all the guys? Highly doubt it. And then, how can you praise a guy's jumping technique (difficult in and out of the jumps), if many of those jumps end up with him down on the ice?
Did you hear the crowd cheering after they knew Chan didn't win? I can expect exactly the same reaction in Tokyo.
I sincerely hope that Patrick skates a super clean program at WC's, and wipes the smiles off all the haterz faces. I would think then that since he would shut the naywishers up, but, then again, I'm sure there would be those who would "wuzrob" their favorites.......am I right? For a 19 year old, he's damn good, perhaps even one of the "greats". I hope he sticks around for a while.
I did not vote because I think either Dai or Jeremy will win Worlds.
I think Patrick has amazing skills, but I really don't think he's going to win Worlds with 3 or more falls. In my gut, I actually feel like Takahashi will win worlds again this year. I don't think his skills are that far below Chan and I actually like his performance quality much more. I can see Chan winning worlds with a fall in the long program and maybe a fall on the quad in the short, but I hope even that doesn't happen. Chan may have the best basics out there, but I want whoever is World Champion to skate relatively clean. I know that under COP skating clean is not that important, but it's still something I hold on to
It depends. Takahashi skating cleanly with quads would probably still deserve to beat Chan skating cleanly with quads, and it would be expected a defending World Champion would get the benefit of a close decision on his home ice anyway, so in that scenario yeah you would probably be right. On the other hand that is in the fantasy World of fair judging, in the real World I am sure most of us will just be relieved if Chan wins the first of his series of pre ordained World titles with only 3 or 4 falls rather than 5 or 6 he might still be given it with. If he wins it with less than 3 all the better.
clarie, the very idea of Patrick skating "super clean" is just absolutely unfathomable given his history. The last time Chan skated an error-free LP was at the Canadian Nationals in 2008 three seasons ago and there he only attempted one 3Axel and no quad.
Ummm ... obsessed much?
This thread is truly entertaining. How many times can someone say the same thing in a slightly modified context?
I assume this whole thread is meant to be a tongue in cheek, so I will play along.
I picked Takahashi and Abbott. I think Jeremy is overdue for a world medal. I hope he has two very good skates and can find a place on the podium. Sorry Jeremy, the gold is not available.
As much as I like Takahashi, I think he is going to make just enough mistakes to allow Chan to win the gold. Of course a clean skate against Chan is not a guarantee, even if Chan falls 3-4 times, even for the reigning world champion.
I hear Dick Button and Plushy are already boxing up their Gold medals to send to him.
It won't matter how many deductions he has. He will still get the gold.
You guys clearly don't appreciate TheChan. He wuzrobbed at both of his events, and I can't believe he didn't win against Verner. All you have to do is look at how deep his edges are, how he flies across the ice and how incredibly expressive he is when he performs to understand that he is probably the best skater we will ever see. Plus, he always comes across as so humble and intelligent.
I am starting to love Chan more and more just simply for the hate on for him
I think the scoring system needs a tweak to take away points when a skater has multiple falls. It's very disruptive to the flow of the program and it should affect the PCM scores.
I don't see anything extraordinary in his musical interpretation. Takahashi does it the best- JMO. BTW I think his LP is gorgeous, choreographically, but he did not deliver it.
Sorry. I think the days of rewarding jumps are over (much to my disappointment). Chan has been inconsistent but he is given high marks. There is no reason to believe things will be different at worlds.
It matters at prestigious events like WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS or OLYMPICS. Is there anyone won worlds with 2 or more falls? The judge are obliges to prevent such things to happen by unwritten rules. He couldn't sneak into the final flight of Vancouver Olympics with a flawed SP. I suspect Patrick Chan can't win anything bigger than Skate Chanada in future.
I highly doubt he'll win Worlds with four mistakes (unless Worlds ends up being a splatfest). He hasn't won Worlds before with mistakes. The GP events don't even put World medalists against each other until the GPF. So top skaters aren't even facing the strongest fields until December.
Honestly, the strongest competition he faced at both of his events have never even medaled at Worlds. This isn't to knock the skills of Abbott (who I love), Verner, Oda, and Rippon. They're incredible skaters. I'm just pointing out that it is much easier to win with four falls at SC or another GP event than at major competitions. I don't even know if four falls will get him on the podium at the GPF. I think it's a bit premature to anoint Chan the WC.
I think this whole thread is meant to be in jest. You may be taking it too seriously. However, to answer your question seriously- not so far, but judging from the way Chan is being overscored, he could become the first world or Olympic champion with 3-4 falls.
I actually like Chan but this thread is
Wow, all this hate for Chan even when he loses the gold
I think most people would feel better if after a fall, the music was stopped and the skaters were asked to leave the ice.
I dont believe this thread gathered so many posts
Kozuka for WChampion 2011, please put a banner there!
The world needs him period. His edges are so deep that they create valleys so animals and peoples can live and water can flow.
I think most would only like Chan to leave the ice, but not to worry these people also have lots more Canadian skates to share the hate...C&P and M&M bashing all over the threads...it's like a Mastercard moment......PRICELESS
Actually, Patrick Chan is yet to prove he can win anywhere but Canada with four falls. The event called Skate Canada is getting nothing but a farce. Two years ago, Patrick Chan "won" by the 7th highest TES, and this year, "won" with four falls. Is there anyone who "won" GP event with four falls before? Maybe, creating the new "history" is the sign of his "greatness". Anyway, with all the bad reputations on Patrick Chan Scores, rule changes on PCS seem inevitable after this season.
I m really starting to like Chan more, after all the critics, I have a tendency to root for bash-able skaters Afterall he is not the threat of universe, he just won a gp, it was worse when Lys started winning everything and got 10 points pcs up from the end of one season to the next, I much prefer Chan even not clean. And he doesnt even have the World champion boost marks yet!
I still think people are blaming the skater and not the system, it maybe his fault for falling but it's sure not his fault for the scores he gets.
No one (including anyone here) would take off their medal and throw it in the judge's faces and say you should have given it to someone else.
Can't believe Chanada isn't using him in their international relations. I mean he could solve the NK/SK problem...with his edges he could create a canyon between the two, and his footwork would solve all the nuclear issues. If all else fails, he could just fall on Kim Jong-il.
The USA needs to realize he might be the biggest threat to national security. Those edges could slice right along the boarder setting the USA adrift in the Pacific.
Chanada could become the greatest superpower of all. With one swipe of his blade; he could till rows in rock to plant crops, create new waterways for the drought-ridden and the inundated. Just imange what those skating skills could do.
"O Chanada, we stand on guard for thee. Chan keep our land glorious and free!"
Imagine what would happen if Chan teamed up with the USA's skating diplomat!
I was so happy for Jeff, too! But I do not believe the PCS worked in his favour against Brian, as Brian outscored him in this (which I find to be absolutely ridiculous--Jeff's insanely difficult choreography against crossovers--arghhh!) I thought Jeff should have won by an even bigger margin.
I hope that the PCS is scrutinized more as it is more often than not used to prop up skaters (and I am not only referring to Chan here). These skaters work so hard and I think as fans we can all agree that we want skaters to have a fair shot.
I was soooooo thilled for Tomas and cannot wait to see him at the GPF! I am giddy just thinking about it. I am also happy we got to see an interview with him on CBC--so interesting to hear his thoughts on the system and the new changes.
I actually love a lot of the male skaters right now (which is strange as I used to find this event the least entertaining). Along with Verner, I am pulling for Abbott and Oda...they have been through so much and would love to see them have breakthroughs. I would also like this to happen for Kozuka, though he is a bit younger. I just love to watch him stroke...his blades seem to kiss the ice. Chan and Daisuke are two of my favourites ever, so I am always rooting for them...but I can't help but really pull for those who, in spite of their immense talent, haven't yet won medals. I think the only prediction I can make is that we will be treated to some outstanding skating--with such a deep field in the men, I am sure we will see some truly memorable performances.
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