Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Jun 12, 2012.
Oh how I hope that Babs helps Riazanova refine her diva-ness!!.. I can see it now
And iirc, TAT's comments were at the start of the 2010/2011 season, complaining that they hadn't done enough work over the summer, when in fact Katsalapov had been off the ice completely for around a month due to back problems, which stopped them working on new lifts in particular & also delayed their overall progress. That year of course I/K also complained that Zhulin was to taken up with his ice shows to fully pay attention to their training.
Source? That's the first I've ever heard of that.
I dont get the impression that Meryl is an extremely nhumble person and i dont get the impression that Barbara is very meek. That could have been a very diva like power struggle. I do agree that its a shame because I think that Barbara Fusar Poli was an amazing technical dancer. She could have done great things for D&W. It's always good to have a perspective of someone who thinks you're good but not great! They see you in a way that the people who are used to seeing you dont. THat goes for strengths and weaknesses alike.
There's an article on GS with quotes from them :
The whole "we didn't prepare for this competition because we are in good shape" is baffling to me
Madison Chock and Babs working together????
I await with anticipation!!!!
Serious OTT going there.
(Chock & Babs)
Look in the archives. This was extensively disccuss in 2011. It's not new inforrmation.
gee, it's easy to pontificate on "work ethics" while comfortably sitting in a chair !
The thing about making a big move in the standings these days is that we don't yet know if it is truly possible. When V&M and D&W made their moves up the ladder, COPs was very new, and they 'got' it faster than some others, so they were able to move up rather quickly. Now most teams have already established their PCS scores, and it's tough to improve them. The technical pieces have to be in place first-- Getting Level 4s for all elements goes a long way in helping to raise the PCS scores. But I'm not sure that a team that was 5th last year can go to the top right now with the top 3 (and possibly 4) teams being so far ahead. Just my two cents.
But we are not ice dancers. According to that logic the judges shouldn't be allowed to judge because they can't do the skills that the skaters are doing.
Anyway what they said about not training and how they were glad that it was the end of the season so they didn't put in 100% really irked me.
Thanks for posting the link, Libertango.
Not preparing because of being in good shape is baffling to me as well.
It irks me as well. None of the other teams showed up unprepared.
During the time frame between Worlds and the WTT, V/M went home to London for that event to try to drum up business support for 2013 Worlds. They did a couple of radio interviews afterwards--from the car, on the way back to Canton. In one of them, they made the remark that they were on their way back to train that afternoon because they had another competetion coming up and couldn't miss a whole day of training.
Buried somewhere in Elena's twitter feed are a few comments about wanting to skate as well as V/M do. Well, if she wants them to skate as well as V/M, they're going to have to start by emulating V/M in getting to the bloody rink and getting to work.
What a pointless comment. If anyone here aspired to be world and Olympic champions, we wouldn't be sitting in our chairs and posting on the internet. The cold hard fact is that NONE of the other teams went on vacation prior to Moscow but I know that more than one team/skater who CANCELLED planned vacations because of the shift in the date for Worlds, as well as pulling out of shows and tours.
Quite to the contrary, this is completely new information, because one of I/K's complaints at the time was that they had to share ice with other people, e.g. Tomas Verner, who skated with their group while they were preparing for the WC in Moscow.
Zhulin complained about it publically at the time. There was an interview with translations posted here. There was also the Ice Network interview with I&K. This information may be new to you, but anyone who followed the threads around the shift of Worlds to Moscow would have been aware of it.
All I remember was Nikita complaining that Zhulin wasn't around enough for their coaching & claiming that they had to work out lifts by looking at other skaters on youtube, and Zhulin countering with general comments about them not always having a great work ethic. You may be confusing his comments with TAT's earlier in the season about them having too much of a break over the summer before the 2010-11 season, but as I said before, that was largely due to Nikita's back problems.
No, I'm not confusing anything. Zhulin gave an interview wherein he said they went on vacation after Worlds was cancelled. He seemed absolutely disgusted by this. I am aware of TAT's comments at the beginning of the season and she blamed Zhulin for not booking enough ice time for his teams. At that point Zhulin initially floated the idea that the team wasn't working hard enough.
Why do you find this so hard to believe when they did the same thing this season and didn't practice for the World Team Trophy?
Maybe it would help if you found a link to the exact interview, Dragonlady.
It seems to me that Zhulin was far too keen to blame anyone else when he started spreading himself too thin and did not have enough time to give them. I think the question should be, why are you so keen to believe Zhulin rather than believing the skaters who explained that they did not have very good working conditions?
I don't have access to the archives to do so.
When Zhulin initially complained about I&K's lack of work ethic, I thought he was making excuses for himself. TAT said they lacked sufficient ice time and I tended to believe her, but when the team went on vacation before Moscow Worlds, I started to believe that the work ethic issue might be the reason why they've shown no significant improvement since they moved to seniors. That they did the same thing this season, pretty much confirms it.
I don't see I&K getting better at the pace of say D&W or V&M who worked their butts off when they got to seniors, and continue to do so. I don't think I&K have improved significantly since they first moved to seniors. The only reason they beat B&S at Worlds was because B&S had the worst programs I've ever seen them skate.
P&B never complained about lack of ice time and they improved a lot with Zhulin's help.
Maybe you're referring to this:
No. This is not it.
I just read all the posts from the last couple pages of this thread and don't understand where this discussion has gone. Does any of this relate to Shpilband-Zueva? It seems mostly to be about criticizing/defending I-K, who, last I heard, train in Russia. Are they coming to Michigan?
These are all good questions. Typical FSU thread drift.
Now I'm really curious....
Well Elena used to train with them
It was not in the any I&K thread, it was in a general discussion thread on the move to Moscow, like who would benefit most from the delay or something like that.
All this talk about I & K those two peaked @ 5th place and it's downhill from here on!
A match made in heaven!!
I don't understand how Barbara F-P is joining Igor S but will not leave Italy. Will she use Skype?
I imagine she will join them for a time and return to Italy.