Should GPF be moved to after Worlds?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by haribobo, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2002
    Messages:
    6,571
    I'm noticing that a lot of the GPF skaters are kinda blowing it or withdrawing from their Nationals. Its pretty unfortunate to see so many top skaters really losing steam after the GP series and final- so many comps in a row really takes a toll. Would it be better to move the final so these skaters can focus on their Nationals and Euros/4CC properly?
     
  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    31,982
    No. Isn't Worlds more important than the GPF to the ISU and the majority of skaters?
     
  3. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2010
    Messages:
    3,633
    I don't see any skaters dropping out just because the GPF was too taxing.
     
  4. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2002
    Messages:
    6,571
    Oh, I definitely think Worlds is more important. But I don't think later has to = more important. GPF could be a nice relaxing April come-down comp for the Worlds skaters, some to redeem themselves or whatnot. But then there's World Team Trophy too which could complicate things. I dunno, just seems like December turns into burnout month for so many skaters. It's a bummer.
     
  5. flowerpower

    flowerpower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2005
    Messages:
    1,693
    No, Worlds is the real final - the "peak" toward which all skaters are building over the season. The GPF would be meaningless afterward.

    The GPF provides a motivator for serious participation in the fall's GP events, and in that sense it is useful to the ISU. If skaters anticipate making it to the GPF and are concerned about fatigue, they might need to limit themselves to two GP events, and forego Senior B's.
     
  6. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2003
    Messages:
    30,687
  7. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2003
    Messages:
    17,267
    No.
     
  8. Really

    Really No longer just a "well-known member" Yay!

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2001
    Messages:
    29,606
  9. mineko

    mineko New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2011
    Messages:
    161
    Burn outs/withdrawals do not seem like an issue for North American skaters, whose nationals are set for mid-January (Canadian nationals) and late January (US nationals). So it's all a matter of scheduling - I've noticed that majority of European and Japanese nationals are held during the mid-late December.

    Trade-off is that European/Japanese skaters have plenty of time to prepare for European/4CC, whereas North American skaters, especially the US skaters have barely two weeks to prepare for 4CC.

    So again, it's all matter of scheduling.
     
  10. Domshabfan

    Domshabfan Searching for Cizeron's Instagram

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2009
    Messages:
    5,363
  11. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2003
    Messages:
    12,508
    No, it's good like this, with a first part, a break with Nationals, then Euros, Olys and Worlds.
    Maybe a team competition after Worlds was a good idea.
     
  12. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

    Joined:
    May 9, 2002
    Messages:
    11,476
    No, but perhaps the whole GP / GPF can be moved back a little (by, say, 2 weeks?) so top skaters can have more rest between GPF and their own Nationals?
     
  13. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    3,231
    If you move it back by 2 weeks, it will be over Christmas. I don't think that would be fair. I don't understand why in Russia plans their nationals over Christmas, although from my own selfish point of view I like it because at least we can watch it. :) Not sure if the skaters like it though! In Japan it is over Christmas too but as far as I know they don't celebrate christmas anyway because they are not Christian country.

    Actually, if you want to achieve more time between their nationals and GP events, you would have to either move the nationals to later (which may not be possible because there is some deadline for submitting names for Europeans) or move the whole GP evebnts including the final to earlier, which is also not possible because before GP events are junior GP events. And if you move the JPG events too, the whole season will be longer and the time between seasons shorter. Less time to rest.
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2011
  14. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    26,555
    I agree with this. Worlds is the biggest competition of the season, so it should be the final competition. I have seen skaters withdrawing from GPF for either health reasons or a family crisis like in Mao's case. Other than that, I think skaters really want to compete at GPF, and most would welcome more rest before their own nationals. Four CC may be a competition that needs to its schedule though. It's just too close to worlds.
     
  15. fan

    fan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2003
    Messages:
    1,003
    Russian orthodox Christmas is later in the year - they don't have christmas at this time.
     
  16. Braulio

    Braulio Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2004
    Messages:
    7,220
    No, in the case that it could be taking place after worlds, then many of the top skaters would end up withdrawing of the event

    The GPrix and GPF are the first half of the season to debut programs, get feedback, make adjustments towards the ´real deal´ that is nationals-europeans-4cc-worlds
     
  17. Braulio

    Braulio Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2004
    Messages:
    7,220
    No, in the case that it could be taking place after worlds, then many of the top skaters would end up withdrawing of the event

    The GPrix and GPF are the first half of the season to debut programs, get feedback, make adjustments towards the ´real deal´ that is nationals-europeans-4cc-worlds
     
  18. Jarrett

    Jarrett Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2003
    Messages:
    1,679
    No but I do think US Nationals should be moved... lol
     
  19. cygnus

    cygnus Liberal Furry

    Joined:
    May 4, 2002
    Messages:
    2,362
    No. Remember when the GPF was in February/March and many skaters used to withdraw because it was too close to Worlds/4ccs/Euros. And it made little sense having it then. After Worlds, which is the "climax" of a non-Olympic year it would be silly. That's when they go on tours/take a break etc.

    It makes logical sense to have the fall as the GP season, with the GPF as the final event. Then the Nationals in December/January, then the "continental" championships, then Worlds. It's a logical buildup to the biggest competition.
     
  20. loulou

    loulou Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2005
    Messages:
    1,783
    Look closer.


    I don't think it's all about scheduling.

    If a skater has a reason to show up at nationals (say: the federation won't be too inclined on looking the other way, the athlete has to prove himself/herself, money is at stake), the skater shows up whatever the schedule is.
    Infact, Japanese nationals are always full roster, even though japanese skaters are often in the GPF.

    That said: having too many events and too little time to rest and train isn't going to keep skaters healthy, nor is going to improve figure skating as a sport.

    ISU should see what their ultimate goal is: whether to have fans entartained pratically all year long, or fewer events and higher skating quality.
     
  21. Jarrett

    Jarrett Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2003
    Messages:
    1,679
    or you could just give examples...:blah:
     
  22. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2010
    Messages:
    3,633
    :rofl:

    I don't think so, you name them.

    Name the "top skaters" who appear as if they are "losing steam" after the GP series and/or GPF so much that they can't perform at a their Nationals?

    I certainly haven't heard that there is some sort of epidemic that would cause they whole fall skating schedule to be changed.
     
  23. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    3,231
    I know only about a few.
    Brezina - performed at nationals but his FS was a mess.
    Top two pairs were off Russian nationals (though it is because of injury).
    Somewhere I read that Morozov recommended Leonova not to do the nationals and rest instead. She did compete though.
    Tuktamysheva mentioned in the interview that it was quite difficult for her, that she felt quite tired. (and finished lower than it was expected.)

    I am wondering, as most of them are Russians, could it be that they have far too many tests skates during the season? It must be difficult to stay in the top form all the time.
     
  24. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2010
    Messages:
    3,633
    But none of those examples can be because the GP season was too taxing. K/S and V/T were injured and may have been if it were the summer, it just so happened to be the beginning of December. The other two went to nationals and didn't do as well as they had wished, what ever their excuses were.

    I doubt the test skates had anything to do with because it didn't look like most of them did anything 100%.
     
  25. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2011
    Messages:
    3,754
    Carolina Kostner skipped the recent Italian Championships, and she wasn't injured.
     
  26. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Messages:
    1,604
    No, because GPF is like the barometer on who will peak at Worlds Champ.
    in a way its a further building block for their performance
     
  27. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    4,338
    I question the importance of the Grand Prix Final to begin with. The Grand Prix events are fine, but IMO the final seems like just another event the top skaters have to contend with.
     
  28. loulou

    loulou Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2005
    Messages:
    1,783
    See below:

    I think she said she needed a break after multiple events in different continents, in order to properly prepare for Europeans and Worlds.
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2011
  29. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    3,231
    Oh, come on! Of course the GPF is important!
     
  30. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

    Joined:
    May 9, 2002
    Messages:
    11,476
    Exactly! It pre-told Lipinski and Slutskaya becoming threats to the Kween in 1997 and 2000.

    Plus it was really the only major senior international event that Cohen won. :p