Shocking/disappointing breakups in FS

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  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    The most recent splits of ice dance (Crone-Poilier, Samuelson-Bates) and pairs (Dube-Davisson, Yankowkas-Coughlin) teams have been shocking. That started me thinking/wondering of past break ups in FS, and they are not limited to pairs and ice dance.

    To me the most shocking one still remains- Michelle Kwan splitting from Frank Caroll just before the 2002 Olympic season.

    Another one was Ina-Dungjen splitting after a 4th place finish at the 1998 Olympics.

    Chen Lu splitting from her coach of many years after winning a world gold (95) and world silver (96) was also shocking, and it really affected her skating in 1997.

    Jamie Silverstein-Justin Pekarek break up was very disappointing to me because I really liked this ice dance team. Later Jamie went to the Olympics with Ryan O'Meara but ended the partnership (retired from skating) after just one year. That was even more disappointing.

    I remember being shocked when Mishkutenok-Dmitriev split in 1994 (or was it 1995 after they skated a few pro programs?). Even though Natalia did not want to go to another Olympic, I thought she would at least want to skate professionally with Artur, but I think they split because Artur wanted to continue as eligible and Natalia did not want to anymore.

    The most famous has to be Rodnina-Ullanov split after 4 world titles and an OGM, but I was not watching FS then. So it's hard to be shocked or disappointed by it, particularly since Irina won two OGMs with Zaitsev after that.
  2. Spiralgraph

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    The split that "shocked" me at the time was the split of Kristi Yamaguchi and Rudy Galindo as a pair team.
    In hindsight of course, it was a great move for Kristi, as two years later she won the Olympic Gold medal. Rudy had to wait a bit longer for his success, but I was very happy he succeeded to become a National champion and a world bronze medalist..

    But at the time I was disappointed..
  3. blue_idealist

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    I think this season takes the cake for me for the most shocking splits.

    I was a bit disappointed by the breakups of Marcoux/Buntin and Langlois/Archetto for Canada, but they weren't so bad as the ones this season.

    Khokhlova/Novitski was very disappointing, but not at all shocking and pretty inevitable considering his injury.
  4. mikemba

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    At the time I was also very disappointed but I wasn't shocked. After 2 consecutive Worlds in which she did well -- but missed the podium -- in both pairs and singles, it looked like if she ever wanted to medal, she'd have to give up one. I think the TV commentators hinted at this prior to the breakup. It made sense to keep singles since the timing was great: the elimination of figures.

    Although we spectators didn't know this at the time, Rudy later admitted that he sometimes had shown up for pairs practices after drinking. In that dangerous situation I would have ended the partnership immediately!

    Sigh.... What fun they were to watch. It's hard to believe that over 20 years ago they did a side-by-side triple flip-triple toe sequence!
  5. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    How about Kwan and Frank (and even Lori). That one shocked the crap out of me, especially being that it happened going into the Olympic season.
  6. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    That was mentioned in the opening post as the most shocking to me.
  7. ChelleC

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    For me it was definitely Michelle Kwan splitting from Frank Caroll.
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    I amaze myself. I skimmed your post quickly and read every single one except Michelle and Frank. Sorry! Then I agree!
  9. briancoogaert

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    Wasn't she also injured this year ?
  10. kwanette

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    Me, too.
  11. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    No problem. Happens to most of us at times.
  12. casken

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    G&P and U&Z splitting and swapping partners.

    It was like the stuff of skating fanfics. :drama:
  13. Habs

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    For me it was when Bourne & Kraatz split just after turing pro.
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  14. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it was almost a soap opera.
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    Do Chinese skaters have a choice as to who coaches them?

    I think Bourne and Kraatz was the most shocking to me. They were just at the point where they could start making money after a long competitive career, and at that time it was so rare for a North American pair to medal (let alone gold) in ice dance.

    I think it had to partly to do with Morozov. Kraatz claimed he still wanted to train seriously and apparently Morozov wasn't that into it. Kraatz said in one inter view something to the effect that 'I don't know what he is doing (meaning Morozov)'. It's interesting that he and Bourne weren't even communicating until after she divorced Morozov.
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    Grishchuk & Platov- right after their second OGM when they should have been making lots of money as pros, they split. From what I read, years later they even had some regrets about it (at least Oksana/Pasha did).
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    You're kidding! Man, I'd be scared stiff to be hoisted up in the air by a partner who'd just been hitting the sauce. :scream:
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    Also, I think he just wasn't big enough to make it at pairs much longer.


    Averbukh dropping Anissina to skate with Lobecheva was also a shock, although it worked out well for Gwendal Peizerat.
  19. casken

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    I remember her spending far more time hugging Morozov than Kraatz when she found out they won worlds. :lol:
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    That's ok; it was shocking enough to bear repeating!
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  21. Ziggy

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    I still wonder what the real reason for that split was?

    Money?

    Frank becoming an unbearable bitchy old queen?
  22. The Observer

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    From what I remember Michelle and Frank saying in interviews at the time, they didn't have an epic big fight or anything - she got to the point where she wanted to take more control over her own skating and evolve on her own. Supposedly they remain friends.
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    The breakup between Michelle and Carroll really shocked me (perhaps still do). Although I understand the possible reasons for the breakup, I felt the timing was not good at all.
  24. Cheylana

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    The timing was horrendous. When I found out, I said, "it's that dopey hockey player she's dating; he's a bad influence!" :mad: :lol:
  25. reese

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    Frank had some kind of provision where he got a certain % of all of Michelle's money-- comps, endorsements, tours, anything. Same thing that Fassi had with Dorothy Hammill. I'm not sure how common or unusual that kind of arrangement is. I think the financial side of things impacted Michelle's decision, although the timing of the split was certainly less than ideal.
  26. aliceanne

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    I think they had that financial arrangement for a long time.

    I read an interview with Lori Nicholson where she said Michelle was starting to go her own way and wanting to do things outside of skating like going to college, while they were trying to "take her to the next level". It sounds to me like Michelle became an adult and wanted to start making her own decisions and expand her horizons outside of skating, while Frank and Lori were used to having her undivided time and attention. That seems normal to me. The timing may have been a shock, but when you're ready to go, you're ready to go. Maybe the OGM wasn't the be all end all for her any longer.
  27. Cheylana

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    OGM or no, Michelle Kwan was a phenomenal skater and had an amazing skating career, but I still can't help but wonder what might have been had she stayed with Frank through the 2001-02 season. She was probably a triple flip away from Olympic glory; having FC at the boards might have made the difference. Or not. Oh well.
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    Um...couldn't she decide on that AFTER SLC ? :lol:

    MK was the reigning WC, a heavy favorite in 2002 and competing in her home country. I place my bet that winning the gold in SLC was numero uno on her mind.
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    IIRC, She had wanted to split with her coach before 97 because it wasn't working out anymore. But the Chinese fed forced her to stay with said coach which is why she was doing so terribly in 97.
  30. aliceanne

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    She did all the right things, skated cleanly and didn't win in Nagano. Maybe she felt she needed to change her image as a non-risk taker.
  31. AndyWarhol

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    money + danny kwan.
  32. The Observer

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    Michelle still had it up until 2003 Worlds, which she won a year after losing the 2002 Olympics.

    But after 2003 things seemed to go downhill. I think the new judging system was a factor. She never really adjusted to it, and she talked about how she was taking time off to study the new system and only compete in a couple of events a year, but it didn't work out.
  33. AndyWarhol

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    CoP was not kind to MKs style of skating. She also didn't have the flexibilty to do the beilmans and awful ispins the new system dictated at the time. It was hard to watch her do a fan spiral, and her coe spiral was pretty much worthless.
  34. Cheylana

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    I've heard Danny Kwan blamed before, but, if true, I don't understand what he thought he had to gain by causing MK to go coachless at the Olympics. :confused:
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    I always figured there was an element of Michelle simply growing up and changing. You don't necessarily have the same needs at 11 as you do at 21 (or however old she was). People change a LOT during the teen years, and it always sounded to me like Frank wasn't acknowledging that with Michelle and allowing her the space or change or freedom (or whatever) she felt she needed. Seems plausible to me.

    I'm STILL really, really disappointed with the Samuelson/Bates breakup. I guess it hasn't been that long since it was announced, but it really was shocking.
  36. arakwafan2006

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    oof... you can say that again. The thing that always shocked me was how the masses never thought that Michelle was an arrogant nutjob for a year of her life at least. I mean, how insane is it for a skater to decide to not only break up with her coach; one of the best out there and skate alone, IN AN OLYMPIC YEAR!!!! I mean, there is not possibly a worse thing to decide. Kwan came out though the bronze medalist and not the lunatic. That shocked me the most.
  37. arakwafan2006

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    For her whole career though, Michelle's camp would talk of "uping the ante" or adding difficulty of sorts to her skating. Never happened. Michelle went a long time spending her time above ground so to speak with her other interests and kept her head in the sand with regards to adding jumps that she needed to be competitive. Its sad that the very thing she ignored did her in at the olympics both times. She pretended like she didnt really NEED a 3/3 combination and both times her competitors had some form of two of them in their free skates. I never understood how a 3toe/3toe was upping anything. I think Michelle would have had a great 3flip/3 toe although on second thought, the triple flip gave her trouble at both games (wasnt that the jump she was shown falling on in the practice in Torino that caused her to withdraw?). I also think that under the 6.0 system, the judges at the 98 games would have gave her the nod for the gold. Salt Lake City which is the one program from her that is too painful for me to watch just slipped through her fingers.
  38. Vash01

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    I have to disagree with some of what you wrote. It's true that Michelle did not really try to up the ante in terms of jumps. However, a perfectly done 3t-3t was nothing to sneer at. Tara and Sarah were both exceptions in terms of doing 3-3 combos those days (and Sarah always underrotated hers, which was forgiven by the 6.0 system). Most other top ladies were not doing 3-3's. Michelle's presentation was far superior to the two young ladies, and with just a little luck she could have won an OGM. You do have to be lucky to win an OGM; talent alone may not be enough every time.

    Michelle did not do the 3t in 98 because of a toe injury, and not because she could not do a 3t-3t combination. Initially it was planned, but the 3t was too painful due to the injury. She had to replace the 3t with a 3R. You wrote that she had problems with the 3f in BOTH Olympics. She landed a clean 3f in 1998. It was a tentative landing, but she landed it on one foot. It's not like she missed the jump completely or that she two-footed.

    In 2002 I think not having a coach the whole season really hurt her. This time the 3f did her in, but again I think it was the result of trying to do too much on her own. This one was a missed jump, but it's amazing how close she was to still win the OGM.

    About Torino you are completely off, IMO. Michelle had a hip injury the whole season. It became aggravated during the practice and she had to withdraw. It's not like she could not do a 3f. She had done it numerous times in her career. She did not withdraw because she kept falling on the 3f, but because of a serious injury, which eventually turned out to be (eligible) career ending for her.

    So the only time she truly missed the 3f was in 2002.
  39. Cloudy_Gumdrops

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    Not so much shocking, but I remember being really disappointed at Kalesavich/Parchem's breakup.

    I sooooo loved them. She couldn't jump, but she just had it you know.

    I never could warm to him with Hinzmann.
  40. museksk8r

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    It's got my vote. I'm not a fan at all of Carroll's personality. :shuffle: