Shizuka Arakawa's triple-triples video

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by bartek, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. bartek

    bartek New Member

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    Here is my next video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KWGp1vFwE0 This time: Shizuka Arakawa. It's amazing how it goes from simple 3T+3T to 3S+3T+3L! If you know any other videos where she landed triple-triples please let me know so that I can add it to the video.

    Enjoy, share & comment!
     
  2. poths

    poths Well-Known Member

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    Nice job.

    I know she did 3toe/3toe in 1995 at Nebelhorn, probably at Junior Worlds that year too.

    and a 3 Lutz/3toe at the 98 Olympics (sp) and at the 2004 worlds sp too.
     
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  4. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    She is a FREAK!!! Some of her best were in practice. Her 3toe/3toe/3loop wasn't bad at all! She was still doing these combos in 2010? Wow. I don't blame her for stopping with her Olympic gold but she clearly could have challenged for another gold in 2010. Was she thinking of a comeback and that is why she was jumping so well? Or did she go pro? Some people just can throw them, I guess.
     
  5. pinky166

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    Watching this video, Christina Gao really reminds me of Shizuka in some ways. I never really noticed it before, but now i can totally see it.
     
  6. indicatoto101

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    Shiz landed a lutz/loop at a practice session for Turino. It was featured on Olympic Ice episode 9, right after they showed Fumie and Jamie Sale boasting that she was the complete package.
     
  7. bartek

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    Thank you for all info about combos. I thought I checked her Worlds 2004 SP but apperently I did not. And I didn't find any triple-triple landed in the SP but I know she wanted to land them in SPs too from what commentators said. I will add all the combos you mentioned. I know that she landed two triple-triples in GPF 2002-2003 FS but I can't find the video :(. She might have landed the combos at Campbell's 2005 and Japan International Challenge 2005 as well.
     
  8. stillalive

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    how can she perform a 3lz-3lp like that now? And to think it was more rotated that the one she did in the olympics sp warm-up!!! She was crazy to retire.
     
  9. robinhood

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    I think Shizuka is a great skater. For me, far more talented than Yuna or Mao are but she never struck me as the competitor they are/were.
    The fact her career was so up and down, she was a late bloomer winning worlds at 22 and wanting to retire right afterwards... much like Yuka Sato, brilliant skater not so fond of competition.
    The only thing I've missed this years after Torino is the lack of a professional circuit with Worlds Pro, Challenge of Champions....where we could have seen her more and Shizuka would have flourished as a pro-skater even more
     
  10. stillalive

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    Well, she has taken up producing duties for shows in her home country successfully, so she seems to have a vision of what entertaining skating should be. I think she could try to resurrect some kind of pro-circuit.
     
  11. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    OMG, Shizuka is phenomenal.
    She is so straight in the air. Everything she does is beautiful, even when cheated !
     
  12. MikiAndoFan#1

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    This girl is amazing! :swoon: She attempted so many 3+3 combinations during her career! :eek:
     
  13. poths

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    I found a video of Nebelhorn EX,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dVd6N_0yRY&feature=related
    She does the 3toe/3toe at 53 seconds

    There's also a video of her Junior Worlds 3/3 but she fell on the second toe.
     
  14. bartek

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    She did 3Lz+3L in the warm-up at the Olympics :O? I had no idea! I will include that of course. And I've already found Olympic Ice episode where she landed this combo beautifuly and David Pelletier said after watching it: "I did one of these and then I woke up" :lol:.
     
  15. poths

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    To think, between 1998 and 2003 she couldn't even make the Japanese team (since she had no personality or any kind of decent program construction). What could have been had she found TT in, say, 1998. 2002 Champion?
     
  16. Ajax

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    Thanks for this video. It's absolutely amazing how she's able to do a 3l as the THIRD jump in a combo, basically from a standstill. And they don't even seem to be cheated. Shizuka :respec:
     
  17. WayCon

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    Yes, an excellent compendium. And when I review videos of her recent exhibitions, I find myself thinking, her jumps are solid..., could she make a competitive come back?
     
  18. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    I love this thread!

    The best combo's she did are the 3s-3t in practice at Torino and the 3z-3t at Skate Canada in 03. I can watch those alllll day. :swoon: I loe how straight she is in the air, her straight leg on exit, and the speed she comes out of the jumps with. She has unmatched power-to-elegance ratio IMO.

    I literally think Arakawa is thee most talented female skater of the last decade. Yes, I know I'm biased, and no, she can't match the competitive consistency of many of her contempories, but in terms of sheer talent, basic skills, posture and jump technique, I really think she's the best (/underrated)

    It's also crazy how she is doing a 3z-3lp in practice still today! It's as good as any 3-3 she did in her amateur career. People in this thread are asking why she retired when she can clearly still match the tech content of todays ladies. Well, the answer is actually quite obvious if you look at her wildly inconsistent results - Shizuka didn't enjoy competing. For someone of her immense talent, to never win a Nats title after 99, to win only one GP, and two medals at the GPF, is kinda ridiculous, but competition never really brought out the best in her on a consistent enough basis. Of course, she has the two big titles, and for that I couldn't care less about what else she did or did not win. So I'm happy. And I know that Shiz is much happier skating in and organising professional shows - so that's why she's not amateur anymore, even though she clearly still could be.

    Thanks so much for the vid!
     
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    That was gorgeous...:swoon: I wish she made it into a short program during her competitive days. Even if some of her 3+3's were slightly short of rotation in the past, she did manage to get tons of flow out of those triples. And of course her lilting knees really stood out for me. I still wish she hadn't retired so soon!
     
  21. WayCon

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    All true. I still wish she would come back--her and Yukari.
     
  22. Marco

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    She would have spared the world from having Hughes as a OGM :eek: and having to watch so much Yoshie Onda within that period. :dog:

    And if she started to pick up her style, choreography and jumps and consistently deliver in 1998/9, there would have been no new Slutskaya to contend next to Kwan. Arakawa would have been the token athletic elite competitor for Kwan and she would have trashed Slutskaya because she would have the jumps and the grace.
     
  23. Marco

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    Because she was so underrated and never really received political backing except perhaps for 2004 Worlds and 2006 Olympics, the two events she rightfully won anyway.

    To lose out the SLC Olympic spot to Yoshie Onda on GP draw, to never really been given benefit of the doubt, and to never really get top marks even when she skates really well must have broken her spirit. She had a relatively clean and solid 2005/6 GP season but didn't even manage to make GPF for god sake.

    The skate of her life at 2004 Worlds nearly lost to a 5/4 split to Kwan's 5 triple effort to Tosca. Freakin' Tosca.
     
  24. Triple Butz

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    Okay, I enjoy Shizuka's skating, but she was very much a late bloomer, and I don't think it was a "miracle month" with Tarasova that turned her skating around. If anything, I credit Richard Callahan for most of her improvement. There is no way she would have risen to the top in 1998 with a new coaching team, she had too far to go. Her musicality improved bit by bit every year, but even now, she struggles to project raw emotion and/or sex appeal. She also had some really awkward positions(see: her lazy low free leg in jump landings, inability to create a clean line in spirals). Combine that with a major lip and cheated jumps and I don't think she would be challenging Slutskaya in the SLC quadrennial.

    Also, in 2004, as great as her LP was, her sp was a mess choreographically and her combo was sloppy and badly cheated. I would have placed her in sixth. I think she should have certainly won the lp with a good lead on tech merit, but I found Kwan's presentation to be superior even with a watered-down program.
     
  25. Marco

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    Tarasova's influence in style and skating might not be immediate, but her political prowess sure was. Without it, Arakawa couldn't possibly have placed as high as 2nd in the sp with that heavily cheated 3/3 (and on both jumps).

    As a matter of fact, while Callaghan should certainly take credit towards that World title, Arakawa had always had the jumps and the consistency since her junior days. It's always a matter of putting things together.

    The flaws in her jumps (edge problems, underrotations, form) didn't improve much under any coach but in any event didn't mean much as I am sure you know by now that Sarah Hughes was the 2002 OGM?! :drama:
     
  26. Loves_Shizuka

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    I totally get what you're saying - Arakawa WAS (and IMO, still is) underrated; but there's more to it than that. Yes she didn't have the support, and was very much "under the radar" but Shiz really wasn't anywhere near her best until much later in her career because she just didn't develop as quickly as some of her contemporaries.

    I agree it would have been nice for Shiz to have had a Kwanesque career - something she certainly had the talent to do IMO - but in many ways it was the fact she didn't which makes her skating all the more special to me as a fan (read: uber) Arakawa contemplated retirement pretty much every year! :lol: After failing to make the SLC team, she wanted to quit. She continued anyway, pretty much with the intention of definitely retiring in 03 - she had an unexpectedly good 02/03 season, winning GP medals, making it to the GPF, winning the Asian Games and finishing top 8 at worlds. So the JSF convinced her to stay one more year.

    2004 was definitely to be Shizuka's last year, even after posting her best perfomances on the GP circuit and winning GPF bronze. Yet by now her skating had moved up a level IMO, thanks to boosted confidence from the success of the previous season. Her basics, jumps, spins, flexibility, and consistency, and even her choreo and programmes, dresses and appearance, were all stronger, like she'd had a mini-makeover. The JSF got Tarasova for her, and she was finally getting some support and backing. I think others saw her potential more than she did herself. Still, heading into worlds I remember hearing in the Japanese press that this was her last competition. Of course, we know what happened there. So again, she was convinced to stay.

    05 was a miserable season; I really don't think her heart was in it, she struggled with motivation after winning Worlds and then had injury and boot problems. I'll always remember after her 05 worlds LP, her giving an interview on the verge of tears, saying she didn't want to do this anymore and that she wanted to skate in shows. So, for a while, there were more retirement rumours. She decided to give the Olympics one last shot, having missed it last time; but even at the GPF (which she didn't make) she said if two Japanese made it onto the podium, she didn't think she'd even make the Olympic team. But of course Asada was too young and Shiz finished ahead of Nakano at Nats. Finally, at Torino, Shiz looked confident, strong and settled. And for me, that was why I followed her career so much. She didn't peak at 18 and go away. She struggled, she lacked confidence and she didn't make the most of herself at such an age. But it was such a pleasure to see her stick with it, to mature and develop a sense of confidence and elegance only a woman of a certain age and experience can have. Her unexpected victories, later on in her career, at an age when so many female skaters have come and gone, made her successes all the sweeter for me.

    I'm so sorry I've gone on and on. :slinkaway
     
  27. l'etoile

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    gosh, she was a really amazing jumper!!

    I only saw her performance in Torino Oly, and her fs was absolutely beautiful, and to see that clip? boy she was also a technician!
     
  28. briancoogaert

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    Well, she was a technician before being anything else ! ;)
     
  29. WayCon

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    Your comments are very welcome. Her skill and back-story make her an inspiration for me. Snubbed by so many, she endured. I characterize her as skating with grace and rage.
     
  30. ks777

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    I really think Shizuka was too shy to express the music. To me, she didn't want to be graceful. She probably was very flexible but was too shy to show that off.. like her spiral for example. She barely lifted her leg up before 2004. I think she was looking at figure skating as just a sport for a long time. She probably didn't realize how important to be artistic as well as athletic. She either didn't care or too shy to express the music. She really did have awkward spins and positions until she went to Richard Callaghan. That's why it took Shizuka so long to become a medal contender. The japanese feds always knew that Shizuka was the one with most talent back in 2002. After she failed to qualify for the olympics in 2002, I think the japanese feds stepped in and made a coaching change to Callaghan? I am sure the feds paid for the coaching fee.