Discussion in 'Moves In The Field' started by scootie12, Mar 14, 2010.
I love your technique and landing posture!!
It seems I haven't posted a video in a while. On Tuesday nights I usually skate with a group of friends, so last night I filmed a few things just for fun. Nothing too special, but I did want to see how my cannonball spin is progressing since I tweaked the position a bit.
I've modified the spin to now be a regular sit spin into the cannonball position, and what I've done to get a more pointed look in the cannonball position is to grab my boot at the heel. This helps me straighten my leg and also get a nicer toe point. I think you can see a huge difference in this video. Before, I was holding the leg at the top of the ankle/boot, and I think the position wasn't as good looking that way.
Thanks everyone that has posted comments and compliments/critiques.
Spins are really nice, great line in the camel position and cannonball, and as Dick Button would say...."look at the back! in that back sit spin...very nice!" hahaha
I also really love your axel double loop combo, especially the axel, and theres definitely enough room for a double axel there!
Wow, good stuff! I feel like an idiot when I try to do a cannonball spin. I have enough flexibility, but I always lose my balance and look like the ones in your "mistakes" section. I can do the pancake position, but I want to learn a cannonball so that I can pull up from that into a Y spin. Any tips on keeping your balance as you lower your torso and head on the cannonball?
Doubletoe - I started working on a cannonball this spring and had the same problem...I couldn't get balanced in the spin...and actually I don't have the flexibility so I thought I would never be able to do it. However, my coach had me do it on the harness and while on there I was able to find the right spot on my blade and keep spinning. Soon after working on that a few lessons I was able to recreate the feeling from the harness and do the spin. Sometimes I feel a bit off balance, but at least now I know that if i stick with it, I'll keep spinning. I get right into the sit spin and grab my leg and once I feel secure I pull my head and body to the leg. My position still isn't great and I would kill to be able to do a Y spin from the cannonball, but hey it is something...I hadn't been able to do anything new in years so this was really exciting for me!
When I first learned the cannonball spin I was holding my leg a little differently, and I honestly changed it because I thought it didn't look perfect enough lol. However, the fix I made helps me spin better.
I was watching Brian Boitano's Olympic LP, and noticed how he has a nice regular sit spin with the leg straight...Please reference this vid clip here:
So I decided to do the sit spin with the arms like he had them in the video. This forces you to keep the free-leg straight and it also helps you balance out the spin if you're someone that might have trouble holding different positions.
Anyway, once I was comfortable with the change of position in my REGULAR sit spin, I then decided to add the feature of a cannonball spin. So what I do from the sit position is move my left hand down to the heel of my free leg and hold onto the boot. I spin CCW, so my right hand is holding the top part of my ankle of the free-leg, and my left hand is resting on my left leg....this is while doing a regular sit spin. So while in the spin, I move my left arm inward and grab the heel of my right boot. What this does is force me to keep the leg straight, have a pointed toe, AND it also helps keep the free-leg balanced as I do the cannonball. Once I'm comfortably into position, I then move my back down into the cannonball position. However, as I'm doing the cannonball, I keep holding out my leg as straight as I can stretch it because this helps me keep my balance.
Hope part of that explanation helps somewhat. Watch my video below to see what I mean. I you slo-mo the spin you can see how I move my hands.
In general, I've noticed I have much better control if I'm holding the heel of my free foot rather than the top of the ankle/book. Plus, it makes it easy if you want to raise up into a Y position.
Here's a direct link to my sit spin:
* note how my leg extends even straighter once I do the cannonball position.
Scootie and Mr 7740, thank you!!!
Scootie - I have managed to do it twice, and both times I noticed that I was keeping my weight more over my left thigh (skating side) and pushing my belly/chest forward more. I also wasn't rushing it. My typical problem is tipping to the right, so I think I need to be extra vigilant about keeping my weight over the left side instead of letting it shift to the right as I fold down over the right leg. I'm also going to try the step-by-step process you described. In my regular sitspin, I also rest my left hand on my spinning knee, so that progression should be really helpful!
I will be testing the 10 Fox in a couple of weeks. I am not ready. We're doing it to get it out there; not because we genuinely believe I really will pass. I hate that.
Now, I *could* pass; but it would take a miracle. I'd need to actually REMEMBER everything my coach tells me to do, partucularly re: the restart. If I simply remember what he tells me to do re: that restart, I might be all right-ish. But I can't do that in practice yet, so in the test? Yeah, well... wish me luck. I could use the good vibes.
I do have about two weeks before the test, and that's about 7 ice sessions for me between now and then, so we'll see... we'll see. I hope to really get this dance going in that time, so I can go into the test not with "I look confident, don't I?" confidence, but with real confidence.
I haven't posted in a little while.
Here's my HD video posting from 10-19-10
Here's a video of some camera fun from tonight, 11-23-10:
I posted two new videos. I wanted to record some newer stuff last night, but the camera battery died
On a side note, I finally start choreography on my program, so I'm excited about that!!
Oooo..was this a bump originally? lol, haven't heard from Scootie in so long, give us an update! We're all keen as to hear what has been going on I'm sure! I'm getting back into skating myself after a month off (with exams and whatnot), next week, so would be interesting to see how others are doing in their skating as well!
Let us know how your program is coming along too!
I won't steal Scootie's thunder by telling the whole story, but he was just at US Adult Nationals and did well.
ha, thanks! I haven't been posting in a long while. I think I was so focused on Nationals that I felt I'd jinx myself if I posted on my progress during those few months.
Here's the video of my program from Nationals. It's an okay performance, as I purposely omitted the double loop off the final axel combo (and wisely so).
Also, have fun looking at the zipper LOL. It just wouldn't cooperate so I get asked a lot about it hahaha. It's very funny.
Here's the link to the program:
On MKF I posted my "blog" with photos from SLC. Here's the link to my post there:
Wow! First of all, congratz on your win! =D
And second of all, that was an amazing program, love the choreography and the music!! Ahhh, Legends of the Fall haha, I may be biased, cause I skated to it as well 2 years ago, really wonderful music!
So what's the plan from here? Taking some time off (or have you already taken some time off after nationals)? I assume you're keeping the program, since you just made it?
Really gives me inspiration when I get back onto the ice next week haha, and I'll be making a new program too, can't wait! This makes me want to skate so badly!!
Scootie, it was great to see you at A.N., and I'm so proud of you for your beautiful skate! Can't wait to do it again next year! (You *did* enjoy A.N. and you *are* hooked now, right? )
I haven't posted in a while. I thought I would post two versions of my showcase program on here. I skated last weekend at the LAFSC showcase competition, and placed 1st in my Adult Masters Dramatic group.
I'm still skating with a hip flexor strain, but am still managing to skate well with the exception of doing many spins, or things like split jumps.
One video is the on-ice angle and the other is from the audience angle.
On-ice angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNugx3uHSqA
Audience Angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-C0hq6DmYQ
I enjoyed the entire experience
I'm going to go for nationals again, and I'm going to do so with a new program. After practicing to it hundreds of times, I need something new to motivate me, and I need to step up the difficulty. Hopefully I find something that really inspires me to skate....my mood changes all the time haha
Copying my post from MKF to my thread here...
I haven't really posted a practice clip in a while. I've been injured with a hip flexor injury. I strained it while doing a death drop prior to Nationals, and never really took care of it. The pain and aches got worse and worse over time, and I finally decided to stay away from jumping and spinning for a bit.
I'm now skating in my new boots and blades, which are SP-Teri KT-3 boots and Gold Seal blades, so it has been a good time to focus on all the basics. I've been stretching a lot, and also doing a lot of on-ice stretches, like spirals. I've also been working a lot on MITF and will eventually finish off my Junior and Senior tests.
I've been jumping just a little bit, but today was finally the day I actually did all my jumps up to through the double flip. I think you can see my extra stretch in my jump landings now. Hopefully the hip heals soon!!!
Here's a quick video update. Enjoy!!
Which leg is your injury on?
My right hip-flexor has been injured for several years now.... I had to quit practicing triple loops completely, attempting them only in competitions. Same with back sit spins. I heard it was bad to stretch the hip-flexor when it's injured though?? idk. i think i'll finally go to the doctor after putting it off all these years. :S
I worked on double flips this week and landed all of them perfectly fine. They seem to aggrevate my hip a bit more than the edge jumps, but I've just been jumping a little "heavy" on the particular element. My coach wants to get back to the double lutz this weekend, which I haven't done for MONTHS. It's not a hard jump for me, but I need to get the timing back so I don't pop.
I got my new skates in the hopes to actually doing double axels without killing my skates....I now have the KT-3 Sp-Teri's, which are for triple jumps, so hopefully they hold up well
I really hope the hip heals soon. It's so frustrating to have to hold back on skating.
My hip flexor injury is on my left leg....on the inside part of my leg. I hurt it mid death drop in April.
I've heard the opposite about stretching the flexor. I've read and also heard it's good to stretch since it helps promote faster healing. I also notice I skate better if I stretch a lot, then get on the ice for about a half hour and just warm up my body before actually jumping or spinning. I need to see my physical therapist and actually stick to a plan....I just hope this actually heals. Blah.
So how do you like the KT-3's so far? I would imagine they would be a lot tougher to break in...
I was surprised how much tougher the KT-3's were to break-in. The 2's were perfectly comfortable right out of the box, but the 3's took about two weeks to feel "normal." They are one of the stiffest pairs of skates the company makes, and although I no longer do triple jumps, I wanted a pair of skates that would hold up longer based on how often I skate, my weight, etc.
The boots feel great now, and I can definitely feel the stronger ankle support. Now, if my hip EVER heals, I really want to get competitive to skate adult senior and relearn the double axel. I always said I would NOT compete as a senior until I had the dbl axel back....hopefully one day.
BTW, it's funny how when I got the KT-2's in late 2009, the issue wasn't the boot, but getting used to the Pattern 99 blades, which are very curvy on the front.
This time around, it was the boots that took a while to get used to, and the blades felt perfectly fine. I switched to Gold Seal, and I pretty much felt fine right away.
I loooooove Gold Seals! Glad you managed to break in your boots. I actually have one boot that's a KT-2 and one that's a KT-3. That's because my right boot started feeling weak in the ankle after I had my KT-2's for a year, so I took it to Willie's and had them add another layer of leather in-between the two layers, turning it into a KT-3. It was pretty darn stiff, so I can't imagine breaking in all 3 layers of leather at once, LOL!
They certainly seem to have more "bite" to them than the Pattern 99's.
The only thing I really need to get used to is the toe-pick. The 99's have a huge pick, so the first few times going for the double flip felt funny because the Gold Seal picks are much smaller.
I competed today in an Adult Artistic event, and placed 1st. There were only two of us at this club event, but I wanted to do it because the event was local, and because I like to keep up skating in front of an audience.
The event is restricted jumpwise, so only singles. I was allowed one double jump, but I opted out because my hip flexor felt stiff today...annoying!
Lovely performance! I've noticed I always miss my pick-ins on pick jumps whenever I get new blades, so I'm thinking it must also have something to do with the rounder rocker on a new blade. I have to point my toes extra hard or I'll "pick" with the rocker instead of the pick! If I'm also in stiff new boots and can't point my toes, well, hilarity ensues. . .
I think I'm finally okay with the toe jumps, and have slowly been getting my confidence back with doing the harder jumps again. I so badly want to be back on the dbl axel, and hopefully my hip continues to heal with the physical therapy I've been doing.
I had a fabulous skate yesterday, but only got one jump on film Figured I'd share here only because I get asked about technique on the loop jump a lot. Here's video of the double loop:
I made it using an iphone app, which was so easy to use!!
Great double loop and thanks for sharing, scootie12. Sorry regarding your hip. I'll keep you in my thoughts & prayers.
Here's another vid I made straight from iPhone...I love this app haha
My hip is slowly getting better, and I think this new stretch and physical therapy technique is making me feel better I feel better and I'm slowing getting my speed and confidence back. I was afraid to jump, especially the double flip, for example, because if I were to step out of the landing it would aggrevate my hip.
I think we finally loosened it up, and now I need to make sure it fully heals itself. The double flip is feeling better and I keep adding extra speed each week. I will then get back to doing the lutz and then hopefully maintain my skills, add levels to my spins, and get working on that darn 2axel.
Funny how an injury can make you lose your confidence, but I think it's fear of further injury.
Anyway, I skated last night and discovered my right blade was coming LOOSE on the back heel. No one had a screw driver that was the correct size to adjust the screw, so today I'm having my skate shop guy fix the mounting.
I did jumps up to double loop (no toe jumps since I was scared about the blade LOL).
Nothing new here, but I like to keep videos posted to I can see my own progress. I can see more and more that my stretch looks much stronger these days.
What kind of stretch are you doing for your hip? I got xrays on mine last week... and they're of course just referring me to yet another doctor. Said I might need injections, ahhhhhhhh.
Your skating is looking good though!
here's a new video with a few jumps, spins and combos.
I've started back to double lutz this week and then probably by end of September will get the chance to work with another coach on the double axel. My childhood coach recommended to me that I work on the harness first, then move to the fish pole harness, then on my own. I work with him when I travel to AZ, so that might be a possibility.
The flip feels more comfortable each week, and now back to tackling the lutz...biggest issue for me is relearning the outside edge take-off. With the injury, the lutz was hurting me, so I haven't done the double in months. Feels a bit awkward, but hopefully I'm more confident soon.
Enjoy the vid:
PS - I've noticed the Gold Seal rocker makes my spins much stronger than they ever were using Pattern 99. Gold Seal is more flat in the front, so that's probably why. My spins finally feel back to the old days when I had Gold Star blades...faster and more centered.
Spazactaz - I've been searching for videos online of the stretches I do...a bit difficult for some reason, but I WILL find a good one eventually
Here's another video update. Just keeping up the usual basic skills until I start working on my program next week. At that point in time, I plan to ramp up the number of days per week I skate, and also intend to get in better skating shape in order to do a test competition event in January. I needed a nice rest in the last few months
I feel much stronger, but the stamina isn't there That's from lack of doing any program since July, so that'll be the goal very soon. I'll be in Phoenix for several days to construct the new program with my original childhood coach and a choreographer.
Then back to Los Angeles to practice on regular basis with my coach here.
Direct video link:
Wow, I haven't updated my thread in a long time. Nor have I really posted on FSU much, despite reading here all the time
Let's see, since my last posting, my hip finally healed in late October, and I finally had to work REALLY hard to regain my confidence in all aspects of my skating. I think I have gotten so much stronger, especially just from a physical standpoint. I cannot even compare myself to who I was in September!
Also, I was very fortunate to win my second adult national title last month in Bensenville! It was the perfect way to end this competitive season, especially after so many changes to get my body and mind back to where it needed to be. It took A LOT of work to get past the mental blocks, but I did it, so hopefully anyone with a similar problem will know there's an end to the road. Doing so many jump repetitions and programs got me past that part
So I think I'll update all of my video links to catch things up!
In December 2011, this is the one of last videos I posted on my YouTube before I hired a new coach and really whipped myself into shape. You can see how much different everything looks:
Towards the end of December I skated in the LAFSC Holiday Show. This is a program I choreographed by myself about a week prior to the event. I was in zero shape to be out on the ice, and you will see it haha. Otherwise, I think the choreography looks good LOL.
December 31st.....my very last day of practice before my new coach started with me.
Another axel/double loop video from first week of January.
My first week with my new coach. I think you can see some immediate changes here.
Getting more confident with my jumps.
In March 2012, here I am practicing my long program just prior to leaving for Sectionals. I was feeling much more comfortable here!
One last video prior to leaving for Nationals. I think my jumps and spins had improved so much since December!!
Here's my winning performance from Adult Nationals (Champ Masters Int/Novice Men). Artistically and technically not my best, but I'll take it. It was a victory in itself for me to be there and to complete my program without being tired.
That brings us back to the present. Here I am working on setting the choreography for my new artistic program, which is to Josh Groban's "February Song."
Also, if any of you are interested to read a detailed journal of my few months leading up to Adult Nationals, I have posted a thread at MKF that details everything
You're also in the May issue of Skating Magazine, in their review of ANs.
Scootie, I've definitely missed you and hearing about your progress and competition! You have to keep us updated more often!
Happy for your win at US adult nationals, and I read in another thread you're hoping to compete senior next year, and get that double axel back! I say, go for it! Can't wait to hear updates on that (no backing down from that anymore, or any delays, it's been way too long), especially now that you're injury free!
Scootie, I just have to say 'job well done'. Congratulations are in order. I'm so proud of you winning the Gold!
Nice job, well done!
Congrats! Great videos. You have such a lovely straight back, you'd make a lovely ice dancer.
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