Salchow question

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  1. Ozzisk8tr

    Ozzisk8tr Well-Known Member

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    One foot axel is also known as a College named after Cecilia College, and the inside axel is also known as a Boekl, named after Willy Boekl. A boekl landed on the other foot is called a Boekay. There have been some amazing double boekl's landed on roller. Such a wierd jump though.
     
  2. WayCon

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    RE: Risa's 3s-3t

    I understand that the two-foot take-off in a Salchow is accepted technique now.
     
  3. briancoogaert

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    Here is a perfect Salchow by Julia Sebestyen.
    Julia Sebestyen 2001 Euros LP

    And look at every other jump (and spins), it was an amazing performance !!!
     
  4. floskate

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    One of my favourite salchows is the one done by Midori Ito on the back of her double axel at 1987 Worlds. The whole sequence is totally amazing, but the sal is huuuuuuge and I think one of the best she ever landed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9KJwpQbOHY&feature=player_detailpage#t=202s

    ETA: Just re-watching that again, teh sequence seems to take up almost the entire width of the rink!! Another +3 GoE element from Midori :eek:
     
  5. Figga

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    Sure am enjoying these clips. Please keep them coming folks!
     
  6. Macassar88

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    It is. I'm not a skater so I don't know, but it seems like it would be easier to jump off from two feet. I've always wondered about this and also the loop which many people do from two feet unless it's the second jump in a combo.
     
  7. orbitz

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    The free foot brushing the ice on the salchow take-off does not equate to jumping from two feet. The skating leg (left leg for CCW skater) has to bear the majority of the skater's weight on the entrace and take-off. Once he's in the air then he switches his weight over to the right side of his body. Saying that a skater take-off from two feet implies that his body weight is evenly distributed between both legs before take-off, and this is simply not possible to do for any of the 6 standard skating jumps.
     
  8. BigB08822

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    It may appear someone is taking off from two feet but they aren't doing that on the loop.
     
  9. Macassar88

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    I guess. It just seems like some skaters might use their free foot to push off on the ice.
    However, I think it might make it harder to rotate compared to having the free leg just swing around.
     
  10. Sasha'sSpins

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    I think so too and it's likely why she attempted quad sals in her day. It was the easiest jump but an excellent jump for her technique-wise.
     
  11. BmcC102

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    Tara had a great salchow from a young age, consistently being able to tack on to the end of a sequence (combination, whatever) after a double axel or triple toe.

    Joannie also has a wonderful salchow, IMO.
     
  12. briancoogaert

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    I wouldn't say it was a great Salchow, since her jumping technique was really inspired by roller skating. So, I'd say she had not a good jumping technique but an incredible ability to rotate.
     
  13. EricRohmer

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    ks1227 Well-Known Member

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    She also had a HUGE Salchow in her LP at Goodwill Games 98, if I remember correctly, although the rest of the program had some problems.
     
  15. kwanatic

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    I always thought this 3sal from Michelle was really good. It had great lift, good air and a solid and easy landing...
     
  16. Ziggy

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    The salchow has a heavily two-footed take-off and the toe is slightly under-rotated. :p

    That is excellent, actually. And I'm really surprised because I remember Kwan's jumps being rather small. But this is huge, effortless and super solid.
     
  17. Marco

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    The same reason I don't like Arakawa's salchow.

    What are you talking about! The Kween always had excellent technique on the toe, sal and flip. Her jumps were never small, but perhaps didn't compare with Slutskaya's. But hers also tended to have more flow out and better distance than Slutskaya's.

    Another 2 examples of excellent 3sals from the Kween would be 2000 Worlds Red Violin free skate - you can literally hear the flow of the landing and 2000 exhibition Kissing You - she held the landing beautifully.
     
  18. Coco

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    I always loved Kwan's salchow. I wished she'd played with tacking on the 1/2loop 3sal onto jumps.
     
  19. l'etoile

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    yuna's salchow jump montage. I think she gets great height, rotation and distance on the jumps.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRF5deKaIds

    I personally prefer her salchow at the olympics. that was so light like nothing.
     
  20. l'etoile

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    wow that was so high and easy!!
     
  21. kwanatic

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    Nope, check the protocols: full credit for the 3s-3t and +GOEs across the board...:rolleyes:

    Michelle wasn't a small jumper; she wasn't a big jumper either. I'd say her jumps were in the middle: not huge and not small. What she did have was excellent riding edges, flow and check on her landings which is something I miss seeing nowadays. It irks me that many skaters check their landings for all of a millisecond before moving on. I realize COP is to blame for this (you can't spend time holding a landing b/c you have to rush on to the next element) but I really miss jumps like this or this. It allows the judges to see the quality of the jump as well as how in control the skater is of the jump when they can hold an exiting edge.

    I love Mirai for that reason. She takes the time to check many of her landings beautifully...
     
  22. floskate

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    ITA about landing edges and Kwan had some of the best ever. I think CoP is too easy an excuse for stuff like this. We're talking a couple of seconds max to hold a landing edge with good flow out and excellent bodyline on the free leg. If they can't afford that much time per landing and don't have the time to fit in the other elements then they need to brush up on their basic skating to get around quicker and MAKE time.
     
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  23. gkelly

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    If that's an intentional choice, then it may be penny wise, pound foolish. Building in time to hold the landings with excellent riding edges and flow, or even adding some difficulty to the landings as Kwan often did with her double axels early on, could earn an extra GOE point, maybe even two, for each jump. Assuming the skater has the skill to do it.
     
  24. kwanatic

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    A lot of times, that's the case. Skaters sometimes disguise bad landings with a quick check out of it. I think it'd be neat to add a rule that a landing must be held for a full two seconds, similarly to how they demand the spiral be held for 3 seconds or however long it is now.
     
  25. orbitz

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    I don't think you need to hold a jump landing for x amount of seconds to prove that the landing is secured. When a skater lands a jump with security you definitely know it regardless of how long the landing edge is held.
     
  26. all_empty

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    Nancy Kerrigan had a great 3S.

    Here she lands two in this program, as well as a great 3T+3T.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sguvt4USAk

    Later in her career she would do walley-walley-3S. Nice tight feet.

    Tonya Harding had an excellent 3S as well. Raw power.

    Funny, as it was their rival Kristi Yamaguchi's worst jump.

    This was such an exciting time in U.S. ladies skating.