Sad news: Glee star Cory Monteith found dead today in Vancouver

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  1. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    James Dean died in a car accident, not from drugs or alcohol. Unless by path you just mean dying at a young age, regardless of reason.
     
  2. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I think a more likely assumption is that he was either with fans or people who are only friends/acquaintances through drug use. Monteith's addiction was so widely known that I can't imagine that anyone actually close to him would have been with him and actively encouraging him to use.

    OTOH, it's very hard to keep an addict from using, and it's not hard at all for an addict to find temporary friends with whom to use. Even if the addict isn't a famous star who probably makes tons of "friends" everywhere he goes who may be willing to do or put up with a lot to say they hung out with him.
     
  3. cruisin

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    Who knows how they feel. If they really felt anything, they would not have done drugs with a friend who had just gotten out of rehab for addiction. I know a person who was in rehab and while they were there, they got a letter from a stupid friend asking if they would still smoke pot when they got out. What a bleeping idiot! As I said up thread, another problem is that the addict using drugs, often doesn't see alcohol as a drug. They figure that since alcohol was not their drug of choice, they don't have a problem with that. Well, they're wrong. Anything that stimulates a high is dangerous to an addict.

    I hope that Glee does tackle it. With sensitivity and information about the disease.
     
  4. *Jen*

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    I did. I was referring back to this article - a senseless, preventable death of a teen idol for every generation. Although in my train of thought I was also thinking about 'Rebel without a cause'. Wasn't the accident caused by excessive speed and dangerous driving? Still preventable, if so.
     
  5. screech

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    It seems likely that he indulged while out, prior to his return to the hotel, because the initial comments (made yesterday I believe) said that there was no evidence of illicit drug use, meaning the heroin was likely done elsewhere.

    Terrible, horrible to hear of all of this. And again, sending well wishes to all who loved him.
     
  6. Whitneyskates

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    That would probably be a safe assumption. A lot of these young stars have hangers on who only hang around them because their fame can get them things they couldn't get on their own. I read an interview with that Disney star Demi Lovato where she talked about all the friends she had before rehab, yet when she got out, she only had a few that were actually still around because most of them knew the party was over.

    Back to Cory's addiction problems; when he went to rehab, I read that a source (Yea, so take it with a grain of salt) that he and Lea actually drank together, but in a way "where he could handle it". Now, I'm not an addiction specialist, but is that really such a good idea? Seems like you should be doing everything you can to prevent someone with a history of substance abuse problems from drinking. Please know that I am in no way trying to place any blame on her, at all.
     
  7. screech

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    Lea's rep released another statement after the autopsy results were announced. She has been with his family and is helping to make the arrangements.

    As much as I feel for her, this is the second statement she has released since the death, and she keeps asking for privacy. I never get why people ask for privacy through official statements that bring attention to them.
     
  8. Latte

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    OPPS right person, wrong name. My only excuse is lack of sleep. I had never even read before that they were dating.

    I heard on CNN a couple hours that Cory died of a combination of alcohol and Heroin.
     
  9. Skittl1321

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    I think if I released a press release asking for privacy, it would only draw attention. She already has so much attention on her. I've read comments all over the internet about her, and I've also read article titles that were "How Lea is coping".

    They release statements, because to some extent they know they have to; he was a public figure. They ask for privacy because they don't want to say anything else and would like to be left alone.
     
  10. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Probably also to dispel any tabloid stories that purport to have anything about her reaction. In the celebrity world, absence of a statement leaves a lot of room for people to just make shit up.

    A casual friend on FB posted a link to the cause and then something like "countdown to rabid anti-junkie response 3-2-1...". I think she is anticipating cries about him being a junkie (which I don't think he was), but all I could think was, is there a pro-junkie contingent somewhere? :huh:
     
  11. julieann

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    Maybe we was fine all night and did drugs in his room after he got back. I wouldn't call out his friends until some of them speak.
     
  12. Skittl1321

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    Well, he'd admittedly struggled with drugs since he was like 13, so over 15 years; and he had been to rehab, multiple times I think. That might fit the definition. I never done any sort of drugs though, so I don't know how much you have to do to fit the title. I think he has admitted to being an addict, at least in the past; is that the same as a junkie?

    Coroner says alcohol and heroin :(
    http://www.nbcnews.com/entertainmen...ed-heroin-alcohol-mix-coroner-says-6C10651460
     
  13. julieann

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    I agree, reckless behavior doesn't need to involve drugs and alcohol.
     
  14. KikiSashaFan

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    The police said no drugs or evidence of drug use was found in his room
     
  15. Skittl1321

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    That's weird. The police constable quoted in the article that says it the coroner said it was a drug overdose said this
    Montague said.

    Maybe evidence consistent with overdose is no the same thing as evidence of use?
     
  16. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I don't think being an addict is the same thing as being a junkie. it's that rectangle/square thing - all junkies are addicts, but not all addicts are junkies (....yet). And someone who is in recovery might have been a junkie, but they aren't currently (but they're still an addict). I think of the term "junkie" being more about behavior than the addiction itself.
     
  17. Allskate

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    I wasn't "calling out" his friends. I was making an assumption, which I meant to imply that I had no idea if it was true. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough. Anyway, I was wondering about the friends situation in more general terms. I wasn't calling out his friends in particular. As was noted, we don't know who he was with or if he did it alone in his hotel room.
     
  19. julieann

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    I never heard that. I did hear that they wouldn't comment on things at that time.
     
  20. Whitneyskates

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    I've never heard that either. All the police said initially was that they did not suspect foul play; they made no comment on what was or was not found at the scene.
     
  22. Angelskates

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    My best friend is an alcoholic (more than 10 years sober) and she buys alcohol, holds drinks for people, drinks drinks that look like alcohol, and acts "drunk", all the time. These pictures were printed to add to gossip, and they don't prove anything and paint whatever picture you want to see. If Cory hadn't died, no one would have cared about these pictures, but reading into them now doesn't help anything either.
     
  23. overedge

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    Just a few blocks from his hotel is a neighbourhood with parts that are basically open air drug markets. If he didn't want to be sober, he didn't have to sneak drinks of beer at a motorbike shop a couple of miles away.
     
  24. jamesy

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    maybe, but they probably sold their computers for crack
     
  25. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I think you mean they sold their grandmother's computer for crack.
     
  26. *Jen*

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    That was the first statement. The second was that there was no evidence of illicit drug use. Now they're saying that there was. Part of me suspects either a journalistic embellishment at some point or a desire not to have it published as a foregone conclusion as the cause of death before the autopsy.

    IMO, I don't think they will speak. It's been several days...they've been silent. I'm deducing that these friends aren't in the public eye and want to keep it that way. They were in his room with him at some point, and then out with him. At the very least, they drank with an addict, which is questionable

    Kudos to the Canadian police and press for keeping a lid on this - in terms of no paparazzi photos appearing of Lea or his family, no hunting down of the friends and chasing them, etc etc.
     
  27. Artemis@BC

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    Interesting take, but not the distinction I would make. To me the difference between junkie and (drug) addict has more to do with socioeconomics than behaviour. "Junkie" can sometimes have connotations of street-living, rock-bottom, anything-for-a-fix dynamic, but really, that's all shades of grey. Monteith, due to his financial circumstances, wouldn't be in that situation, but his "junkieness" or user behaviour differs from that of a street user only in its postal code.

    Most dictionaries make far less of a distinction between the two terms: junkie is simply a slang term for addict, esp. heroin addict ("junk" being a slang word for heroin).

    But really, addiction is addiction, and maybe if society didn't made allowances for "partying" of the rich and famous, and didn't see it for what it is, we'd be one step closer to solving the addiction problems we have.
     
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    But isn't a key element of addiction a dependency on the substance? "Partying" is not something that is reserved for the rich and famous. Many people party at the weekend and take substances (alcohol or drugs) but they aren't necessarily addicts.
     
  29. Jenny

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    The only statements I've seen re drugs were that he "died of a mixed drug toxicity, involving heroin and alcohol" (coroner) and there was "evidence of a drug overdose" in the room (police). I haven't seen anything to indicate there were drugs or evidence of actual drug use in the room (although there easily could have been both); they seem to be careful about saying evidence of a drug overdose.

    I'm no medical expert, but I imagine that could mean that there was evidence that suggested he was overdosing - perhaps he threw up and/or passed out, or perhaps the placement of the body suggested he was reacting to the overdose when he died. The room's furnishings might have suggested that he was disoriented for a period, or that he was trying to open a window because he was having trouble breathing. Just speculating of course, but the point is that perhaps there was compelling evidence that didn't include actual drugs or drug equipment in the room. The police then said that the coroner's report was consistent with their findings - sounds to me like they had a theory of what happened, and the autopsy confirmed it.

    It's possible that he used the drugs before he got back to the hotel room, perhaps topped up on some alcohol from the mini bar, and then died. Then that might lead back to the question of where did he get the heroin, when/where did he use it, and who was he with at the time.
     
  30. Allskate

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    They aren't giving details of what they found. But, to me, evidence of a drug overdose is evidence that Cory acquired drugs and used them. That is new information. Feel free to parse my language, but I don't get the point of that kind of parsing or trying to speculate that the evidence of the drug overdose was that he was trying to open a window because he was having trouble breathing. The bottom line is that the poor guy used drugs and he died from an overdose in his hotel room, and there was evidence of that in his hotel room.