Russian men...

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by SmallFairy, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. SmallFairy

    SmallFairy Well-Known Member

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    I'm re-watching my tape from worlds... The Russian men are really bothering me! Voronovs football program is beyond words, the outfit and everything, it makes me look away with embarrassment...what was he/Morozov thinking??? He also appears somewhat clumsy and heavy, even when skating "well"...

    Gachinski-so blonde and purple, doing some sort of skip rope movements during the steps. Mishins's tie is matching the outfit. Geeee. Sorry for the really academic analyses...
    What's Borodulin up to these days? I miss him so much! And Nikita Mikhailov, is he still skating?

    There used to be Urmanov,Kulik, Yagudin, Plushenko, Abt, Klimkin...sigh and even more sigh over their basics and flow. Urmanovs lutz was mesmerizing! Don't even get me started on Yagudin and Sasha Abt... Even Tataurov and Paskevitch were watchable, though zzzzzzz... Hopefully there are better times ahead!
     
  2. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

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    Um.... Voronov wasn't skating the football programme at worlds. So what exactly are you re-watching?
     
  3. SmallFairy

    SmallFairy Well-Known Member

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    Ah sorry, my mistake! Got confused, the football program was from one of the Grand Prix's:p But this tape is definitely from worlds....and Javi is looking good! (haven't reached the fs yet)
     
  4. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    Didn't Voronov skate in the football costume to different music? The preliminary round? I remember the confusion.

    The steps may not be good from Gachinski but so many times this season they got level 4. It was easier to get level 4 but he maxed out the leves on a step sequence, and could do the same in spins sometimes. He had problems with the quad all season. Must have spent a lot of time doing that spread eagle 3A.

    The girls are coming to the front with jumping ability and great PCs but the men are not there. Kovtun did well at the JGPF with jumps but PCS was poor. Can't get all the elements together for the men like with the ladies.
     
  5. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    Gachinski would have been top 5 at Worlds if he had skated there like he had at Europeans this year. I haven't given up on him yet. He's still young and has a lot of talent and can improve. GO ARTUR! :cheer2:
     
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  6. Katarzyna

    Katarzyna Well-Known Member

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    I’ve seen only his SP (darn Eurosport!) and my exact feeling too was what was / he Morozov thinking, as he skated his SP to “Artsakh”. – That was exactly the moment when I started thinking about Sasha Abt and his terrific SP and how much I miss him and also the other great Russian skaters of the “golden era” of Russian male figure skating. It totally distracted me from Sergej’s skate. Will he & Morozov by any chance pick up “Winter” for next season’s SP? :EVILLE:

    I wonder about that too! I really liked him, in particular his Kalinka-SP, it looks like he is even singing with the music at some part of the programme:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVRE5hOrc_0&feature=relat)


    I was watching old tapes after this year’s World to comfort myself a bit. Urmanov, Yagudin, Abt … I miss them so much (and if I look at some threads on the trash can, I’m not alone ;)). When you just think how hard the guys had to battle for a spot on the world team, you’d wish that some of them would have been born a bit later and could skate now for Russia. :(

    However, I think that’s part of the problem: Yagudin, Plushenko, Urmanov, Kulik – they all got a chance to start their appearance at major events (e.g. Euros, Worlds) when being still very young. This of course was not the case for the younger skaters coming up the stage during the “golden era”, e.g. Shubin. In addition Russian men seemed to be cursed afterwards. There were some skaters who really looked promising, but they had just bad luck with injuries. :fragile:

    I for example loved Alexander Shubin – I think he had it all, the jumps (4-3-2 at TEB in 2004), the spins, the personality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7MoWeiIaCo). Alexander Uspenski was another very good skater – wonderful basic skating! Sergej Dobrin too looked promising. But they all quit skating. :wuzrobbed

    However, it looks like the Russian girls will be the new Russian men. :D They have amazing depth of talents.
    And I think it was Mishin who once stated that Russian women are only useful for working at the railway. – Time to prove this being wrong. :angryfire
     
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  7. aftershocks

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    Yes, I agree too bad that Abt wasn't born a bit later, since he was always the odd Russian man out during Kulik, Urmanov, and especially Yagudin, Plushenko days.

    As far as Gachinski, I agree he is still young and has time. He definitely, IMO, needs some ballet/ flexibility training, and help with choreography and musical interpretation.

    Seems this thread should be in Trash Can.
     
  8. Japanfan

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    Does anyone know what Abt is up to? The last news I heard of him was when he punched someone drunk on a plane. A video was posted of it, it was very sad.
     
  9. SmallFairy

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    Yes, trash can maybe....unless anyone have any breaking news on Borodulin;)

    Shubin was fantastic, how could I forget about him, when he won junior worlds he was flying! I saw him at test skates one year, when Klimkin was injured, and we thought he might step up, but it never happened.
     
  10. Jemestone

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    ^ Borodulin no longer has a working 3axel or quad. In other words, he's done :EVILLE:
     
  11. julieann

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    I agree he had a bad skate at worlds just like Joubert at the Olympics, but it's hardly a reason to think he is over.
     
  12. Ziggy

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    He's coaching now.
     
  13. Asli

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    He had many injuries in his short career, didn't he? It's such a pity! I saw him just once at the Lalique Trophy and he was so expressive! A very interesting skater.
     
  14. TAHbKA

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    It's not only that, but he trains in Tchaikovskaya's group :scream::scream::scream::scream:
     
  15. Jemestone

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    ^ That too. Wondered why he went there and why he stays??? Boy needs a clue.
     
  16. aftershocks

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    There is an Abt appreciation thread in Trash Can with lots of video clips. Abt is married and has a son. He coaches and lives in New Jersey.
     
  17. robinhood

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    I thought this thread would be about another topic...:EVILLE::smokin:
     
  18. Katarzyna

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    I wish this would not be one of the first memories that come up when people think about him today. He sure behaved very stupid in that incident. However, he isn’t the first skater or athlete who got drunk and did something silly, but the unluckiest one as in his case of course it got filmed and posted in the net. :(

    Update on career: After Sasha turned pro he skated in shows, participated in a soap opera called "Hot Ice" as one of the actors. Now his focus is on coaching. :)

    Here is the link: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83192


    :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    Well, feel free to add other aspects. :D
    However, I guess then this thread for sure will be moved to the trash can. :lol:
     
  19. skatak

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    Plushenko !!!

    happy ?

    ;)
     
  20. TAHbKA

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    Am not sure he has much choice. Who is coaching `top' russian male skaters? Morozov, Urmanov, Mishin, Rukavitsyn, Vodorezova? The first 4 have their top pupil as it is and Borodulin would be n.2 at the best. He can't go back to Vodorezova, I assume. Doublt someone like Sato or Orser woudl take him/federation would support him....
     
  21. Katarzyna

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    I love him and I’ll always be a fan. Not only did he have the technique in every aspect of skating, he seemed to have something very special that put kind of stamp mark of his personality on each of his programmes. I even got this impression on TV, so I guess live he must have been even better. :swoon:

    When he won JW he Evan Lysacek at that event and each time Lysacek won a medal at a major event, I was thinking about Sasha Shubin and felt sad he couldn’t realize his potential. Even today it’s heartbreaking to think about it. I feel so :wuzrobbed:wuzrobbed:wuzrobbed cause I wanted to see so many more of his performances. Btw if anyone has a link to videos of him at JW of TEB please link – I wanted to link some here, but despite trying hard, I couldn’t find any videos of it in the net. :confused:

    For those interested in Shubin's career: before he started coaching, he skated in shows (on a cruise and he also participated in Ilia Averbukh’s shows back in 2003 or 2004).

    Hope he will become a great coach. I think he might be a good choreographer as well. :inavoid:

    I wish Caro’s strategy would work for men as well: focus on the jump elements you can do with ease in competition and get the necessary points in other areas. I love Borodulin’s skating with or without a quad or a 3-Axel. Still hope he might get his jumps back till Sochi. :cheer2:

    He trains in Moscow, so maybe Victor Kudriavtzev would be a good choice for him? I think he does not coach any male senior top skater at the moment and he’d for sure be the right one to get jumps back in place? :)
     
  22. TAHbKA

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    I can't think of anyone coached by Kudriavtsev right now, male or female. As far as I understand he assits (Volchkova, Rukavitsin), but not coaches.
     
  23. Eislauffan

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    Artem Borodulin skated rather poorly at Nationals last December. It didn't look like he was getting back his jumps. :-( His 3A was always weak, though (I think there was only one season where he landed nice ones, but most of the time he was struggling with underrotations).

    I still have some hope for Ivan Bariev. He skated well at Nationals and also had a good SP at the Challenge Cup. He is flamboyant and has lots of personality. After some injuries he got all his triples (inlcuding Axel) back and now wants to work on quads for next season.

    Just yesterday I watched a video on Spiegel Online about Russians getting drunk at the aiport and on airplanes, and Alexander Abt's embarrassing video clip was in there, too. :-(
     
  24. Jemestone

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    I thought Kudriavtsev coaches Kovalev and Shakhmatov??? Not top skaters but still.....
     
  25. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

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    Yeah, I'm also getting all nostalgic and :wuzrobbed when I think of Russian men. There was a whole generation so many people considered to be the next top Russians and it never came true...Griazev, Dobrin, Uspenski, Lutai...
     
  26. sus2850

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    Does anybody know what was wrong with Gachinski at worlds? His coach said something about boot issues and that there were other issues on which he did not wish to elaborate though.
     
  27. Katarzyna

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    And don’t forget Sasha Shubin. :wuzrobbed
    (I noticed the link with two of his programmes didn’t work and have fixed it now in my above post)

    Unfortunately this video is no longer published only in the internet. There was a “Russian night” some months ago on one German TV-channel with one part about heavy drinking in Russia and of course it had been shown as well. :wall:
     
  28. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    IIRC Ilia Kulik was coached by Kudriavtsev before he went to Tarasova. Correct me if I am wrong, because I am not 100% sure.

    ETA: Just found this about Kudriavtsev. He coached Kulik, Sokolova, Volchkova in the past.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Kudriavtsev
     
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  29. kwanfan1818

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    I though Kudriatsev is in semi-retirement and is working with other coaches as a specialist.

    He was Kulik's coach before Tarasova.

    I think Gachinski is a wonderful skater with loads of potential. His circular footwork sequences this season were among the best in the world, IMO, with wonderful timing and expression.
     
  30. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Kudriatsev also coached Evan Lysacek periodically in 2002-2003.