Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sugar, May 30, 2011.
I love the of that picture of him sitting all alone, contemplating...
PML. Another episode for Plush. Timing couldn't be better. We have the entire off season to and about it.
As I see it, personal feelings aside, he broke the rules and paid for it. How long should he be punished? Is the punishment really proportinate to what he did?
Do I see a single tear rolling down his cheek?
You don't say! Shocking.
is there a puking icon? LOL
I post the ones that I know go with this article
I thought this was old news already since Worlds, didn't Speedy said that ISU would accept to discuss the RF application for reinstatement?
June 9th! The video of Cinquanta sitting with Putin pointing to Plushenko and giving up a thumbs up at worlds was great.
I know, it's unintentionally
And in other not so shocking news......the sky is blue.
Maybe this is the Rapture - just a little bit late. Afterall isn't the possibility of Plushy competing again a punishment for us all?
Actually, I think his losing of his eligibility was kind of bogus.
The way I understand it, he did a show that normally would be sanctioned and apparently he was even told it was or would be sanctioned at first but then was told close to the show that, no, because he didn't go to Worlds, it wouldn't be sanctioned. Then he had to decide whether to pull out at the last minute or risk losing his eligibility. Pulling out at the last minute when he'd been advertised to sell tickets would have been hard on the show organizers so he was kind of between a rock and a hard place with this one.
I can't help feeling that other skaters would have been given the sanction and that colors my feelings about how it all went down.
Breaking the rules results in loss of eligibility from ISU competitions such as the Olympics, Worlds etc. It's not a temporary ban, it is forever and at this stage in the game, I think most/all skaters know it. If Joannie Rochette had the know how to ask for permission to perform a tribute to her mother on an ice show in 2010, then I don't think it's a stretch to expect Plushenko to do the same.
Why didn't he appeal the decision when it was made? He had 21 days to appeal and apparently didn't have a problem with it then. Strange.
It was just a tactical thing of not bringing the ISU to the Court of Arbitration.
He wasn't punished. He just had more time to make money with no pressure. The reality is that Plushy probably sees no value in performing at another Skate Canada or Skate American or Trophy Whatever the French Call It This Decade, etc. but it would do him some good to skate at Cup of Russian, Worlds, and in Sochi ... particularly since the Russian Federation is trying so hard to reabsorb talent by any means $$$ (the sign for Rubles would have been more fitting) possible.
Take your pick: http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/116/
He'd already been sued by show organisers when the ISU did the same thing to him a couple of years ago - they told him at the last minute that if he skated he'd lose his eligibility, so he pulled out, went on ice to explain himself and got booed. The organisers sued him and it took ages to sort out.
I can't believe this stupid misinformation is still getting around.
The ISU has the power to impose a temporary loss of eligibility on a skater for breaking a rule. This is what they did to Plushenko. HIS LOSS OF ELIGIBILITY WAS NEVER PERMANENT. THE ISU DID NOT BAN HIM FOR LIFE.
I mean think about it - it would ridiculously unjust if they banned him for life, which is way longer than a drugs ban.
Plushenko DID ask for permission. The RFSF told him they would give it. Then three days out from the show everyone said no. What was he supposed to do? He chose to protect himself from lawsuits and heavy financial loss, make his fans happy and skate. Three days' notice is vastly unfair.
He did not appeal because the appeal would have had to have taken place in the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). The CAS has power over every jurisdiction in the world. A decision made at the CAS is FINAL with NO appeal.
Now imagine if Plushenko had taken the ISU to the CAS and won. He would essentially have been forcing the ISU to accept him as a competitor for the season. I can't imagine the ISU would have taken that lying down. They have many ways to get revenge.
Plushenko decided not to antagonise the ISU further than they already were, and decided not to appeal. This was an intelligent decision as it allowed the ISU to think they were punishing him, but left him able to still compete at Sochi.
For the rule he broke, it is not a temporary ban if the skater never asks for reinstatement or asks and is denied reinstatement. It is a temporary ban until the ISU grants reinstatement, if the skater applies for it.
The possibility for reinstatement for Plushenko's infraction is written into the rule itself. He's asking for nothing more than what is written into the rule.
I personally can't wait for him to come back, even if he never medals again (though I doubt that will happen.) The man loves skating, he loves competing, and he is great at what he does. Whether you like his style or not, you've got to admire his drive.
The men skating got exciting. At least someone who can seriously fight with Chan. I loved his new programs posted earlier here. He seems to be in very good shape. So bring it.
Hurry up, ISU!!!!!!
Well, what is there to work for when you have a platinum Olympic medal
Not even Rodnina, somebody that actually won 3 Olympics, has one of those
A diamond Olympic medal????? Eat your heart out, Irina Rodnina!!!!
Old news re-re-re-recycled.
I second the motion! He's certainly not technically inferior to Chan and is also more consistent whereas it seems to me that Chan has lots of ups and downs as far as falling etc. Age is against him but....what can it possiblly take for Plushenko to throw in the required transitions and difficult entrance/exits to jumps where he is already king??
Yes, I agree that breaking the rules result in loss of eligibility from ISU competitions such as the Olympics, Worlds etc. However, there have been skaters in the past who retired and did shows, lost eligibility and then decided to go back to competitive skating and got their eligibility reinstated. So if it was possible for them, why it is not for him?
Why he didn't appeal the decision when it was made - what would be the grounds for the appeal? By appealing he would be actually saying that he is being punished unfairly, whereas I think he knows he is being punished fairly, so in my view he took the punishment, hoping that he will be later to reinstate the eligibility as some others have done in the past.
I remember watching Rudolph Nureyev dance over the years. He refused to quit when he was on top, and he just kept taking the stage long after his physical facility had left him.
No doubt Plushy is in good shape right now, but I do hope, for his sake as a great skater, that he will recognize when it is time to retire. If he's going to try to make it to Sochi-and maybe he can-good for him. But there's nothing sadder than watching a once-great talent implode in public.
Here's hoping it won't happen to him. But if he keeps trying to extend his career on and on and on, it will happen eventually.
Not being negative. Just realistic.
No, you don't.
Maybe I'm being unfair -- okay, more than likely I'm being unfair -- but sometimes I get the impression that he thinks no one but himself should ever win Olympic gold.
LOL he was beaten in technical marks by LYSACEK in Vancouver. Of course he is technically inferior to Chan at this point his career, Chan is doing quads and triples much better than the ones Plushenko was doing in Vancouver, and his spins and footwork are at a whole other level at this point. And who cares about consistency since Chan could afford atleast 4 falls and still be able to beat Plushenko if Plushenko is at his Vancouver level (which he will probably be worse than as he continues to age on an already injured and battered body). Kozuka skating as he did in the Worlds LP would blow away Plushenko from Vancouver in atleast the LP phase as well. And for the record I dont even like Chan and do like Plushenko but he would be dumb to come back if the main reason he is coming back is to win. If he is coming back for other reasons then it isnt so bad, but somehow I doubt that given his reactions to not winning in Vancouver.
Sex on a stick.
Now we know why those old Plushy banners were hanging at the Megasport Palace last month!
Related to this...
Actually, I even spotted some banners for Yags, Irina and other long-retireds. Is it a Russian thing to hang banners for long-retired skaters at ISU competitions? Next year, somebody please remind me to take my "Sonja Henie #1" banner to ISU events!
And who cares about consistency since Chan could afford atleast 4 falls and still be able to beat Plushenko if Plushenko is at his Vancouver level
<if this is true then something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark (GOE)!!!
but he would be dumb to come back if the main reason he is coming back is to win. If he is coming back for other reasons then it isnt so bad, but somehow I doubt that given his reactions to not winning in Vancouver.
What on earth would a competitive skater like Plushenko come back for if not to win???
I truly can't believe that he was beaten on technical marks by Lysacek...but then, the bias of judges is infinite....
He is absolutely no match for Chan in the skating skills and transitions department. Not many skaters are.
While the rules talk about reinstatement, that clause is in there for people to come back as judges and officials. There were several periods where former eligible skaters were allowed to apply for reinstatement to get their eligibility back to skate but those windows are now closed. I don't believe Plushenko has an option to apply for reinstatement at this point unless he wants to become a technical controller or something (which would be awesome in it's own way).
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