Russia 3rd Ladies Worlds & Euros Spot

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by haribobo, Oct 27, 2012.

Who will make Euros/Worlds team?

  1. Kristina Zaseeva

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Ksenia Makarova

    12.5%
  3. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

    78.1%
  4. Sofia Biryukova

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Polina Shelepen

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Polina Korobeinikova

    9.4%
  7. Polina Agafonova

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    6,638
    618
    113
    Not that Leonova and Sotnikova are sure bets, but so far the way things are going, they should be there. Who do you see as most likely to join them on the team?
     
  2. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

    10,660
    352
    83
    Umm no one is a sure bet now, based on what we saw last week Sotnikova and Leonova certainly shouldn't be locks, and Tuk was the best of the Russian ladies at SC but still was not that impressive compared to usual. I think any hope for Shelepen is gone though, judging from the loss of her consistency and plummeting of her scores since leaving Tutberizde on top of the fact that she's prone to URs and her PCS are in the low 6s on a good day. Korobeynikova bombed the SP at Cup of Nice, but I still think she's probably the most talented and all-around skater capable of scoring the best when "on". Sotnikova and Leonova both came off as very sloppy and unpolished at SA. I know it's early in the season, but..
     
  3. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    12,546
    1,333
    113
    I want Polina Korobeynikova to be in the russian team. She is so beautiful to watch. I don't care about the jumps she lands. She has good basics, good jumping technique and overall technique, and she is beautiful !
     
  4. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    1,627
    134
    63
    Tuk just showed at Skate Canada she is a fighter !!!
    she is more of a shoo in than Leonova or Sotnikova, imo

    Pola K. is a hot mess atm, she bombs too much :(
     
  5. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    12,546
    1,333
    113
    I'll be the only vote for Polina ? :wuzrobbed
     
  6. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    1,627
    134
    63
    Polina K. just bombed Cup of Nice her score is like 44+ in SP :(

    Liza I really admire her, she never gives up !
    even when she fell on her 3Lz she added more fire after that to her program
     
  7. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

    3,359
    823
    113
    She has just won Cup of Nice!
     
  8. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    12,546
    1,333
    113
    OMG, I can't believe it.
     
  9. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    1,627
    134
    63
    she did :eek:, 11th in SP but won the FS :cheer2:
     
  10. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

    6,638
    618
    113
    Here are scores so far this season:

    Lipnitskaia 188 (but too young)
    Sotnikova 168, 168
    Tuktamysheva 168
    Makarova 154
    Leonova 153
    Korobeinikova 149
    Zaseeva 146
    Shelepen 124, 147
    Agafonova 139
    Biryukova
     
  11. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

    14,524
    1,873
    113
    Wow, so Makarova would still be top 3 among age eligibles so far. That is hilarious.
     
  12. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    12,546
    1,333
    113
    That is devastating ! lol
     
    jamesy and (deleted member) like this.
  13. alchemy void

    alchemy void it's time for the perkolator

    4,294
    1,388
    113
    Leonova has peaked at Worlds the past two years. She will improve as the season goes on and is a lock to make the team. She is the anchor.

    Tuktamysheva and Sotnikova should round out the team. Both had decent debuts, nothing earth shattering but the rest of the Russian girls are a hot mess.

    I know Korobeinkova is universally loved here but she has a long way to go to even be part of the conversation. Yeah, she won Cup of Nice and landed 5 easier triples, but totally bombed the SP. Her program is slow and empty of any transitions or any choreography for that matter. It is good to ser her land jumps but she is very far away from being competitive.

    Poor Shelepen, has she grown? Or does her new coach suck that much? Impressed with her attitude in the K&C after the LP disaster.

    Who knows, maybe Biryukova will shock us at Cup of China and put herself in the conversation? :lol:
     
  14. lulu

    lulu New Member

    5,615
    342
    0
    Just saw Ksenia's Skate Canada LP on NBC, mistakes on the jumps not withstanding, I really enjoyed the program. :)
     
  15. Lyinna

    Lyinna Member

    142
    20
    18
    I hope so badly that Makarova can get the third spot! I love both her programms and she's such a lovely skater
     
  16. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

    1,742
    237
    63
    Leonova is not a lock , not even a semi lock by any meas. If anything Adelina and Liza should be the ones left ouf of the poll.
     
  17. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

    1,742
    237
    63
    Thats great for Polina K. but is not something to hang onto when it comes to the RUS fed deciding who to favour on nationals. Polina bombs way too much at least one program.
     
  18. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    13,704
    787
    113
    I dont see anyway it isnt Tuktamysheva, Leonova, and Sotnikova unless 1 of them bombs badly at Nationals. Leonova is the reigning World silver medalist and while I dont expect her to be on the podium this year, she will still be protected for this year anyway unless she skates super bad at Nationals. Elizaveta and Sotnikova are both just stronger than the other young Russians.

    Next year though one of them will be left off the Olympic team in favor of Julia Liptnitskaya who will be the #1 Russian and by far top Russian gold hope in Sochi.
     
  19. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    9,101
    635
    113
    I went back to look at Russia's junior world records in ladies. Between 95 to 01, Russia produced 9 junior world medalists. One became world champion, two became one-time world medalist (Soldatova early in her career and Sokolova much later in her career), one a European medalist (Volchkova) and 5 disappeared soon after winning their junior world medals.

    Russian ladies could be having an unpleasant surprise at London. (NA competition, girls with little competition experience, etc etc.)

    Third lady: Probably Tukt, but I don't consider her 3rd lady
     
  20. Bournekraatzfan

    Bournekraatzfan Well-Known Member

    1,751
    124
    63
    I have faith that my Tukt will get that spot!
     
  21. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    13,704
    787
    113
    Some of them nobody ever thought was that good though, even when winning their World junior medals. Ivanova had one of the best World junior careers ever with a gold, 2 silver, and a bronze in years the likes of Slutskaya, Lipinski (who never medaled in either of her 2 world junior appearances), Soldatova, Volchkova, Sokolova, Czako, Arakawa, Gusmeroli, and Suguri and others participated. Yet nobody ever thought she was going to be a star in seniors, it was clear she was one of those always destined to be a great junior skater who would probably fade away or remain rooted in the crowd in seniors. Even she apparently thought so as 2 years after winning World Juniors she was still competing there, as opposed to Tara Lipinski who was 4th and 5th at the 2 World Juniors she was 2nd and 1st, and was by then a World, Olympic, U.S, and 2 time Grand Prix final Champion. She knew she was never going to do anything much at Senior Worlds, probably never even make it there given the Russian depth, so rack up those Junior medals, LOL!

    The whole podium that swept the 96 Junior Worlds with Tara Lipinski 5th never looked that promising as far as their Senior careers went. Oblasova who won in 2001 over Ann Patrice McDonough (a skater who never made it higher than 4th in the U.S) never looked that talented either, and didnt she drop to something like 10th the next year. This group is different in that people see huge potential to do great in Seniors, and right away.
     
  22. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    12,546
    1,333
    113
    Yes, great potential in senior as long as their bodies allow them to be competitive. Remember Caroline Zhang, supposed to be the next great thing. :)
    Tuk's body has changed, I hope she can fix her jumps. She is so good.
     
  23. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

    13,704
    787
    113
    True, they might end up not fulfilling that potential (which would be sad). One can never tell for sure. However my point is the Russian ladies that won medals at the World Juniors that period never looked to have much potential apart from Slutskaya, who did obviously go on to be a great and quite dominant skater. This makes them totally different than this group who everyone feels has huge potential. Sokolova, Volchkova, and Soldatova if anything did a bit better than expected as Seniors, while the rest were always no hopers as Seniors regardless of their junior success.
     
  24. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

    1,627
    134
    63
    Im happy for her win in Cup of Nice, I didn't even expected her to podium there with her SP meltdown
    true Polina is a longshot of going to Worlds again, her meltdown last year probably will give a bad taste to her from her Fed

    I see Leonova, Adelina and Liza , none of the others are more consistent
     
  25. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

    11,556
    1,399
    113
    Barring major miracles or disasters, Leonova, Tuk and Sot appear to be the most reasonable selection even before the season started.

    Polina K has a lot to prove before she could knock down Leonova.
     
  26. dawnie

    dawnie Active Member

    362
    58
    28
    2013 World team- Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Adelina Sotnikova, Alena Leonova
    2014 Olympic team- Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Adelina Sotnikova, Julia Lipnitskaya

    I will be surprised if the teams above does not happen.
     
  27. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

    7,899
    1,397
    113
    My money's on Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, and Leonova for 2013. Leonova will probably have to fight for her spot in 2014.
     
  28. sk8ingcoach

    sk8ingcoach Active Member

    460
    36
    28
    Most likely elizaveta will take the spot. But she has had her bad days like all these skaters. Makarova could get slightly higher components that might push her up, but she would have to land at least some triples. Also polina korobeinikova could easily even win nationals if she put together 2 clean programs. She got good scores in Nice recently but once again had a terrible short.

    In the end I think it will be Elizabeth but it really could be any of them except agafanova and zaseeva
     
  29. jlai

    jlai Title-less

    9,101
    635
    113
    I've been trying to compare in my mind whether the Russian wonderbabies are more like 08-09 US wonderbabies (Nagasu, Zhang, Wagner, Flatt ) or Japanese wonderbabies (2002-2006) (Mao, Miki, Yukina, etc.). They are clearly not as good as the Japanese girls (the Japanese girls were trendsetters in terms of jumps (3A, quad sal), plus they have good basics). The Russians are closer to US wonderbabies except there are more of the Russian ones, so the Russian girls may be more successsful.

    ETA: The Russian girls are trained on elements that currently scores well (2A+3T), unlike Mao and Miki who actually tried crazy hard stuff as juniors or at the beginning or their senior career.
     
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2012
  30. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

    12,546
    1,333
    113
    Absolutely, they are between. Not so great basics, but rotate fastly, flexible, so, they can jump and spin.
    The problem is always about puberty for those girls with flexibility but no great basics.